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What is wrong with California these days?

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My god! It's like some politicians in the country couldn't care less about security. They will sacrifice national security in order to pander to the Hispanic voting minority, and to hell with whether or not this is bad for the country.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/news/6735482.htm

If Davis signs this bill into law (and he probably will given his recent moves), public agencies in California will be required to recognize a foreign-made, insecure, easily forged document, which helps illegal aliens live here and especially get loans and open accounts with banks and other financial institutions.

There’s no way around the fact that consular ID cards are only needed by people who aren’t legally in the U.S. in the first place. Every non-citizen other than an illegal alien will possess identity documents issued by the U.S. government (such as a valid visa). Businesses and communities that accept these IDs as valid are turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and gutting immigration law enforcement. By accepting these cards, businesses and state and local governments are working at odds with the federal government’s critical homeland security efforts. Now California's state senate wants to require all public institutions and agencies in California to cooperate in the breaking of our immigration laws. I am horrified, stupefied at this sort of thing.

I can only hope that the US congress and supreme court aren't as far gone in this insanity. The U.S. Constitution does not permit a local or state government to decide, based on the advice or desires of a foreign government, that its own concerns override the will and intent of Congress. In choosing to recognize the consular ID card, local governments are raising significant legal issues by exercising a form of their own foreign policy, which the Constitution reserves for the federal government under the Constitution, and are in direct conflict with federal law.

Hopefully someone will take this to the supreme court, and it will be struck down as unconstitutional. If not, I fear what this may mean. At a time when national security and the war on terrorism are paramount concerns, we haev all these disgraceful pandering politicians busily creating more loopholes that terrorists may be able to use to get in among us, where they can carry out the next 9/11.
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Its called pandering to the Hispanic population..
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Unfortunately (or rather throught the auspices of the Democratic party) the hispanic population seems to equate control of illegal immigration with racial discrimination. It's playing to the masses who have been fed a diet of BS.
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Davis needs to go. Period.
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Shinova wrote:Davis needs to go. Period.
Unfortunately he wont be fired before this shit goes through. Only hope at this point is the courts and stop the insanity before it gets any worse.
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If Bush wanted to, theoretically, could he mobilize the National Guard and shut down the border?
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HemlockGrey wrote:If Bush wanted to, theoretically, could he mobilize the National Guard and shut down the border?
Even if he could, he wouldn't. One of my biggest criticisms of Bush is that he's pandering to the Hispanic vote right along with the rest of them. He supported an amnesty for illegal aliens for god's sake!
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Well, could he? I mean, does the President have that power?
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HemlockGrey wrote:Well, could he? I mean, does the President have that power?
I am not certain he could do that absent a state of emergency, which it is politically untenable to declare right now.
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HemlockGrey wrote:Well, could he? I mean, does the President have that power?

Yes, the guard can be federalized at will. The best way to think about it is the guard is being leant out to the states when the Federal government doesn't need it. It is a federal service, rather then being the state militia so many people think it is.
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I could be wrong, but I believe some other states already let illegals get driver licenses. Anyway, I dont think there is any way this will be ruled unconstitional since driving is a privelege that has nothing to due with the constitution.

However, even if this passes and Davis signs it. The chances are it will be overturned by the Legislature or a voter inititated proposition down the road.
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