[HH-STGOD] Discussion thread

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-09-13 05:16pm

I was aiming for the safe side. Still if you insist I'll inflate them tomorrow, I'm not complaining.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-13 05:50pm

Its just a fact of life. There are something like 1500+ inhabited systems in the League after all, and that number doesn't include the individual system defense forces which would be near impossible to get released for offensive action, or even for the defense of other League members. Lets face it, there was a reason that Stormbringer wanted it split between two people.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-13 05:55pm

People, post!
I need something to be happening in order to do something

It would be nice if the SL told me, and consequences I think, too, what the stance on Mesa would be...
It would definitely help

Or what investigators would find out after talking with Harrngton. Anything

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-13 06:01pm

*Stan voice* Mesa has plagued our fragile planet for generations, it must be destroyed! *end Stan voice*

Seriously, you know where I am, willing, but not ready to curbstomp them thoroughly yet.

Edit: Oh, and we are pretty certain to need an OrBat for Mesa in the very near future.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 12:18am

NecronLord wrote:I was aiming for the safe side. Still if you insist I'll inflate them tomorrow, I'm not complaining.

Of course most of those ships would be the of the older than dirt variety if they're on active duty as the League tends to hold one to ships for long time.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 12:20am

consequences wrote:Its just a fact of life. There are something like 1500+ inhabited systems in the League after all, and that number doesn't include the individual system defense forces which would be near impossible to get released for offensive action, or even for the defense of other League members.

Yeah, the SDFs are a real pain. I don't see any really good way to include them because we know nothing about them and so guessing is likely to just make a mess. Besides, the League big enough as it is.

consequences wrote:Lets face it, there was a reason that Stormbringer wanted it split between two people.

Yeah, there certainly was. But Necronlords in charge of the League and so it's his baby.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 04:47pm

So, on a different tack, what would building speeds be for the lighter ships?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 04:53pm

consequences wrote:So, on a different tack, what would building speeds be for the lighter ships?

I think it's something like six months or so for non capital ships (smaller than a BC). Bigger ships vary some but around a year. Say eight months for a BC, nine to ten for a BB or DN, and a full year for a superdreadnaught.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 04:56pm

Oh, and Consequences, I never told anyone about my find. Neither you nor Dahak would know about what the Andies found.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 05:08pm

No, but 'someone' manufactured my find.

Also, Building rates seem to vary a fair bit. Harrington's built by Grayson seem to take not much more than a year(15-16 months probably), while the Temeraire is quoted as being nearly three years for building time, at least to start(almost certainly including all of the teething problems and changes a new design is going to run into, not to mention the fact that it is a big SOB.)

I don't know if something wth 12% of the mass should be built in 67% of the time. Granted, a great deal of complicated stuff has to be fitted in, but 33-50% feels more right somehow(or not, considering that the outer hull can be fitted over all of the really complicated stuff in sections if needed. Seems like someone need to bring this up to DW for a definite answer.).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 05:20pm

consequences wrote:No, but 'someone' manufactured my find.

Okay. I was just confused and thought you thought that you had my information. Problem solved.

consequences wrote:Also, Building rates seem to vary a fair bit. Harrington's built by Grayson seem to take not much more than a year(15-16 months probably), while the Temeraire is quoted as being nearly three years for building time, at least to start(almost certainly including all of the teething problems and changes a new design is going to run into, not to mention the fact that it is a big SOB.)

Part of that's no doubt accounted for by the fact that Grayson's got a much larger and more skilled space based workforce. That alone probably speeds things up.

Plus Haven was probably concerned with building a ship of a class they already knew worked and so they didn't dedicate as much of their resources to a new ship class.

consequences wrote:I don't know if something wth 12% of the mass should be built in 67% of the time. Granted, a great deal of complicated stuff has to be fitted in, but 33-50% feels more right somehow(or not, considering that the outer hull can be fitted over all of the really complicated stuff in sections if needed. Seems like someone need to bring this up to DW for a definite answer.).

Probably so under ideal conditions. It certainly makes more sense. Of course it might also be priorities. Remember Ships of the Wall were the absolute priority where as escorts were neglected so it might well be that the smaller ships got less of the resources and personell.

(And yes, a definitive answer would be helpful if not necessarily logical. In depth math isn't Weber's strong suit)

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 05:23pm

Very true on all counts. Are we approaching the point where we should transfer all CA and smaller builds that were in progress at start to the active roster then?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 05:31pm

consequences wrote:Very true on all counts. Are we approaching the point where we should transfer all CA and smaller builds that were in progress at start to the active roster then?

I've had a some of mine comission but not all of them just yet and even had seven SoW commission. The rest of the escorts following shortly. The rest of the heavies will some what later.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 05:35pm

I'm basically waiting on the year mark to officially activate all of the stalled heavies, some may be finished before then, but this simulates giving them some time to get their shit together. The refurbishing of the mothball fleet will probably happen about the same time. At this point, I'll put half of the light stuff on duty patrolling the systems they were built in, freeing up ships there for other taskings.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-14 05:36pm

Well, I have commissioned some ships, too.
But I'm unsure at what rate to commission the rest.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 05:40pm

Personally, I'm going for simplicity of book-keeping, at least for the moment, rather than spend the next 2 weeks exclusively figuring out commisioning dates.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 05:40pm

Dahak wrote:Well, I have commissioned some ships, too.
But I'm unsure at what rate to commission the rest.

Just go with what seems reasonable. Lighter ships sooner, wait some on the majority of the heavies.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 05:41pm

consequences wrote:Personally, I'm going for simplicity of book-keeping, at least for the moment, rather than spend the next 2 weeks exclusively figuring out commisioning dates.

Best way to go. I'm just slicing off a few ever now and then to simulate the sporadic commisionings of peace time builds. The rest will come in definite batches.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-14 05:44pm

So have you came up with a clever scheme to designate the newly built ships?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-14 05:52pm

Nah, I'm just assuming that they are being assigned to easy duty around the shipyards at the moment.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 06:03pm

Dahak wrote:So have you came up with a clever scheme to designate the newly built ships?

What'd you mean?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-14 06:28pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Dahak wrote:So have you came up with a clever scheme to designate the newly built ships?
What'd you mean?

In the OOB. DO you just add the newly built ships to the number, and subtracting them from the To Be Built number?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-14 06:31pm

Dahak wrote:In the OOB. DO you just add the newly built ships to the number, and subtracting them from the To Be Built number?

Yup.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-09-15 07:53pm

And now we really do need a Mesan OrBat. Unless you want to assume the forces of righteousness smear them all over the pavement automatically?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-15 08:46pm

consequences wrote:And now we really do need a Mesan OrBat. Unless you want to assume the forces of righteousness smear them all over the pavement automatically?

How soon do you need it by?