EU Books I hate

[Sharp-kun]

Yes asides from having no money they wouldn't be affected
Besides Isard's probs were two-fold:
i)She had to leave (or apperently leave) Imperial centre too early.
II) Krytos was to evective killing to fats so it didn't spreads as well as she wanted.

I said they would be crippled. Do you really think they would simply curl up and die though, after all they'd been though? They would still hold Coruscant, they would still have the strongest defences. .

Defenses manned by who? People dont work for free, they work for money and cause they beleive in. When the New Rep was BANKRUPT and coudn't stop a GENOCIDAL disease from ravaging their population how long to you think its member states are going to hold together?

There are still the humans, and the Bothans, plus the other races not affected, which I believe included Wookies. In the beginning of the Rebellion, a lot of people probably did work for free, as it was a caused they believed in. With the New Order ready to begin again, I imagine many would do it again, at least enough to defend Coruscant from Isards tiny fleet.

That was her mistake, in losing the planet, she also lost the majority of her support. She only had 4 Destroyers following the loss. That is not enough to retake the planet. Had she had more, it would have worked.

[Peregrin Toker]

I've asked it once - but didn't receive any reply.... is the "Rogue Squadron trilogy" supposed to emulate 1920s/1930s pulp sci-fi in style and atmosphere?? I've never read them, could Stackpole in his attempt to emulate pulp have picked up all its bad points and none of the good ones??

(Okay, I'm not sure if pulp sci-fi villains tend to commit Isard-scale blunders)

[Kuja]

There are still the humans, and the Bothans, plus the other races not affected, which I believe included Wookies. In the beginning of the Rebellion, a lot of people probably did work for free, as it was a caused they believed in.

Except that the Rebellion/New Republic no doubt made a lot of promises for when they retook Coruscant (most likely along the lines of a smooth and rapid transfer of power) but when it actually happened, things fell to shit and I bet there were more than a few people whose faith was wavering. So they treid to slam the Celchu trail through and show that they were in charge, but that, too, backfired. It became a point of contention, and Loor took advantage of it in his terror campaign.

Besides, the Rebellion was paying its members. In Truce At Bakura, Captain Manchisco remarks that she offered her Duro navigator "triple overtime" to stay abord the Flurry.

With the New Order ready to begin again, I imagine many would do it again, at least enough to defend Coruscant from Isards tiny fleet. That was her mistake, in losing the planet, she also lost the majority of her support. She only had 4 Destroyers following the loss. That is not enough to retake the planet. Had she had more, it would have worked.

Did you even read The Bacta War? That wasn't Isard's plan at all. She never intended to retake Coruscant in the military sense. She was just going to let it become sicker and sicker until the New Republic was screwed, then show up with a huge amount of bacta and save the day.

Remember that Isard had control of the vast majority of the galaxy's bacta supply. She could cut it off at will and strangle the New Republic, and is anyone mounted an attack, she could order her ISDs to wipe out Thyferra and screw everyone.

Isard made two major mistakes during the Bacta War that cost her the chance to retake Coruscant.

First, she catered to the Thyferrans and didn't ouccupy the planet, even though she easily could have. This allowed Elsol's group to start performing their attacks with relative ease. Had Isard not toyed around, it would have been much more difficult for them.

Second, she let it become personal. Her judgement suffered as she let herself become angrier and angrier at Wedge Antilles. If she had let Fliry Vorru run the war the way he'd wanted, I think it's likely that Rogue Squadron would have been wiped out.

[Kuja]

I've asked it once - but didn't receive any reply.... is the "Rogue Squadron trilogy" supposed to emulate 1920s/1930s pulp sci-fi in style and atmosphere?? I've never read them, could has Stackpole in his attempt to emulate pulp picked up all its bad points and none of the good ones??

(Okay, I'm not sure if pulp sci-fi villains tend to commit Isard-scale blunders)

Well, the movies of SW were an attempt to emulate that style, (GL has said as much) and Stackpole's book do have a bit of that feel to them, IMO.

[Dalton]

With every page I read of The New Rebellion, I get a stronger sense that the author is a bishie fangirl writing bad fanfic.

[Lord Pounder]

I'm currently working though the New Jedi Order at the moment. I just finished Conquest and so far it's leaving me cold. I like the fact that the NR are getting their asses kicked. I like the Anti-Human bias the Senate seem to hold now. I dislike the Vong. The very idea of them strike me as a bad bad bad thing. They seem one dimentional and full of villan of the week commanders. Kill one Vong Commander and something worse emerges. I really hate Jacen. Shit if i was there i'd force choak the wee cunt just to stop his whining. Anakin is cool though and I liked Chewies death.

[Kuja]

With every page I read of The New Rebellion, I get a stronger sense that the author is a bishie fangirl writing bad fanfic.

Hmmm...that's a surprisingly accurate way of describing it.

[Dalton]

With every page I read of The New Rebellion, I get a stronger sense that the author is a bishie fangirl writing bad fanfic.

Hmmm...that's a surprisingly accurate way of describing it.

I'm utterly amazed she didn't try to contrive a Han/Lando "scene" on Skip 6.

[Kuja]

With every page I read of The New Rebellion, I get a stronger sense that the author is a bishie fangirl writing bad fanfic.

Hmmm...that's a surprisingly accurate way of describing it.

I'm utterly amazed she didn't try to contrive a Han/Lando "scene" on Skip 6.

Ackpth. That would have been the finishing touch.

[The Dark]

I'm currently working though the New Jedi Order at the moment. I just finished Conquest and so far it's leaving me cold. I like the fact that the NR are getting their asses kicked. I like the Anti-Human bias the Senate seem to hold now.

I've only read about 1/4 of the NJO (and a hodge-podge of them at that, no particular order), so I don't even recall if I've read Conquest.

I dislike the Vong. The very idea of them strike me as a bad bad bad thing. They seem one dimentional and full of villan of the week commanders. Kill one Vong Commander and something worse emerges.

This will change somewhat over the course of the novels.

I really hate Jacen. Shit if i was there i'd force choak the wee cunt just to stop his whining.

Jacen (IMHO) redeems himself after undergoing some more training (I'll leave it at that).

Anakin is cool though and I liked Chewies death.

Anakin's kinda "eh" in my opinion, and I hated Chewie's death. Getting killed by having a moon fall on him...OK, who was writing while watching bad anime?

[Kuja]

Anakin's kinda "eh" in my opinion, and I hated Chewie's death. Getting killed by having a moon fall on him...OK, who was writing while watching bad anime?

Hey, it beats having him get shot while using the bathroom.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Isard made two major mistakes during the Bacta War that cost her the chance to retake Coruscant. <snip>

Not to mention the Yag'Dul space station. What kind of moron takes their entire fleet (even if it was 2 SDs), leaving the planet that is the key to their victory undefended?

Had she just stayed put not only she still have had her remaining ISD but she would've been able to hit the Rouges hard when they came to Thyferra, expecting her to be caught up in the Yag'Dul ruse.

[Kuja]

Isard made two major mistakes during the Bacta War that cost her the chance to retake Coruscant. <snip>

Not to mention the Yag'Dul space station. What kind of moron takes their entire fleet (even if it was 2 SDs), leaving the planet that is the key to their victory undefended?

Had she just stayed put not only she still have had her remaining ISD but she would've been able to hit the Rouges hard when they came to Thyferra, expecting her to be caught up in the Yag'Dul ruse.

I think that it was overcompensation after the battle at the Graveyard. In that incident, Isard recieved a genuine tip, and Vorru insisted they send multiple ships, but Isard held back. This resulted in the loss of the Corrupter, a number of TIEs, and a huge load of prestige.

Flash forward to the Yag'Dhul mission. Again, Isard recieves a genuine tip. This time, she decides to hammer the Rogues and sends everything except for a few ground-based squadrons.

Whoops.

[Dalton]

Okay, a new book to add to the Despise and Hate Forever list...

First, the current residents:
Courtship of Princess Leia
Darksaber
The Jedi Academy trilogy
Children of the Jedi

And the newest entry...

The New Rebellion

I cannot describe the depths of the suckage this book degraded to near the end. This book has the single worst space battle I have ever seen in any EU book. Ever. The ending was contrived crap that stank of Deus Ex Machina. I hate this book so much I'm willing to donate it to the library just to get it the fuck out of my house. My God, and some wonder why people hate the EU. Even Zahn can only do so much to compensate for this idiocy. By the end of this pile of garbage I was firmly convinced that the author was a grrl-power bishie Star Wars fangirl writing horrible, horrible fanfic who also writes slash in her spare time.

The scariest thing about it is that I know there is one book out there that's even worse, and that one Wayne can tell you about since I refuse to buy it.

[Stormbringer]

The scariest thing about it is that I know there is one book out there that's even worse, and that one Wayne can tell you about since I refuse to buy it.

Which one is that? I can think of a couple worse than New Rebellion and that's with out even trying too hard. The EU rather does have some pathetic turds in it.

[Master of Ossus]

Guys, this bickering is pointless. Everyone knows that The Approaching Storm was the most craptacular book ever printed by a major publisher. It sucked HORRIBLY. If you haven't read it, go to the library and just skim through a few chapters. Don't worry, nothing happens in the rest of them so you won't miss much, but you'll get an idea of how frickin' crappy the book was. I could shit on that book, it sucked so much.

In conclusion the book sucked.

[Ender]

I'd imagine crystal Star, that is the one which has the "house of turds atop a mountain of feces" quote about it.

[Ender]

Guys, this bickering is pointless. Everyone knows that The Approaching Storm was the most craptacular book ever printed by a major publisher. It sucked HORRIBLY. If you haven't read it, go to the library and just skim through a few chapters. Don't worry, nothing happens in the rest of them so you won't miss much, but you'll get an idea of how frickin' crappy the book was. I could shit on that book, it sucked so much.

In conclusion the book sucked.

There are far worse books. AS's big flaw was taht it was boring as hell and pointless. There was no character development, no plot twists, no nothing, because it didn't want to contradict anyting in the movie. Yes it was extremely bad.

But there ae books out there where you are simply forced to conclude the author never even heard of star wars they are so damn bad. Crystal Star is a perfect example, as is Planet of twilight or Children of the Jedi.

[Dalton]

I'd imagine crystal Star, that is the one which has the "house of turds atop a mountain of feces" quote about it.

Yup.

http://www.daltonator.net/fuq/q.php?id=545

[Stormbringer]

I'd imagine crystal Star, that is the one which has the "house of turds atop a mountain of feces" quote about it.

Yup.

http://www.daltonator.net/fuq/q.php?id=545

Figured as much. Though for my money Planet of Twilight was worse. A mutant, vampiric, cockroach just does not make a good villian.

[Rubberanvil]

By the end of this pile of garbage I was firmly convinced that the author was a grrl-power bishie Star Wars fangirl writing horrible, horrible fanfic who also writes slash in her spare time.

What happened, who was anally violated and does it involve droids?

[Stormbringer]

By the end of this pile of garbage I was firmly convinced that the author was a grrl-power bishie Star Wars fangirl writing horrible, horrible fanfic who also writes slash in her spare time.

What happened, who was anally violated and does it involve droids?

The only person actually anally violated was the reader.

[Master of Ossus]

Guys, this bickering is pointless. Everyone knows that The Approaching Storm was the most craptacular book ever printed by a major publisher. It sucked HORRIBLY. If you haven't read it, go to the library and just skim through a few chapters. Don't worry, nothing happens in the rest of them so you won't miss much, but you'll get an idea of how frickin' crappy the book was. I could shit on that book, it sucked so much.

In conclusion the book sucked.

There are far worse books. AS's big flaw was taht it was boring as hell and pointless. There was no character development, no plot twists, no nothing, because it didn't want to contradict anyting in the movie. Yes it was extremely bad.

But there ae books out there where you are simply forced to conclude the author never even heard of star wars they are so damn bad. Crystal Star is a perfect example, as is Planet of twilight or Children of the Jedi.

No, no, no. The Approaching Storm was a thousand times worse than PoT, CotJ, or CS. And it did contradict the movies, as well as being boring as sin (remember that bit about "anyone" being able to use the Force?). Why was it so bad? In large part because its character development was actually "negative." We were constantly being told, for instance, that Bariss does everything in a "by-the-book" manner. Every two pages we are reminded that Bariss is "very by-the-book." Then when Anakin does something in accordance with "the book" (a crappy phrase, the first time, much less the thirtieth time in one novel), she gets mad at him. What?

The Jedi have NO personality.

It BLATANTLY contradicts Obi-Wan's character from ANH, when he laughed at Han Solo's skepticism towards the Force.

It BLATANTLY contradicted the movie when it shows Anakin being attracted to Bariss (even though he loved Padme the whole time).

Even though it tries not to go against the movie by making sure that NOTHING happens the whole time, it STILL managed to contradict the movies more than once. That book SUCKED. It was by far worse than anything I've ever had the displeasure of reading, before or since. No one should buy that book under ANY circumstances. It's not worth the ink it's made with. It's written in the prose of a travel brochure, except without any of the interesting places and pictures. It makes little or no sense. And it sucks constantly. That is the craptacular piece of shit I have ever seen a published writer crank out. The author should be shot. The editor should hang his head in shame. The publisher should be dragged out into the streets, run out of town on a rail, then shot. In short, I did not care for that novel.

[Kuja]

(remember that bit about "anyone" being able to use the Force?).

What.

[The Yosemite Bear]

I've asked it once - but didn't receive any reply.... is the "Rogue Squadron trilogy" supposed to emulate 1920s/1930s pulp sci-fi in style and atmosphere?? I've never read them, could Stackpole in his attempt to emulate pulp have picked up all its bad points and none of the good ones??

(Okay, I'm not sure if pulp sci-fi villains tend to commit Isard-scale blunders)

No, I am quite sure Ardala and Killer Kane could have made a more capable and intellegent threat then Daalla and Zsing....