The Beast on a New Republic ISD

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2002-09-09 07:56pm

Just after the invasion of New Republic the Yong, a random ISD under the NJ control looking for ejected poilets, picks up a old message pod. The message pod is pegged at least a million years old, with traces of organic matter covering it.

After the better part of a week analysing the pod, a surface scan is conducted which requires contact between the scanner & the message pod.

What would this result for the NJ & the invading yong?

The Beast is a tech-organic virus. It utalizes organic matter to form a netural control net, with non-organic matter also being subverted. Think Zerg meets Borg.

It can use an infection beam, were the Beast nanities & robots can uses the plasma as a carrier medium. The expansion rate is hidiously fast, subverting a long Heavy cruiser(BIG ship) in a matter of seconds.

The Beast is very smart, and is capible of significant tactical & strategically planning. It is capible of masking it differences to fool other people into believing it hasnt been infected. So it will send a subverted shuttle to another ISD on the thinnest pretence it can use to gte the shuttle to entire the ship. It will also probable/will fake mayday messages to get the people to get clsoe to the subverted parts.

While shields will prevent infection beams (while they are up that is), and there are measures that can be taken to slow/stop subversion(venting drive plasma inside the ship), the Beast will know this, and can use other methods to gain physical access to the SW ships.

Also it was a Act of Plot that the Beast didnt get any planets in Homeworld: Cataclysm, which doesnt apply to this debate...

The Beast is a hive intellect, and sentient. When the Beast tech-organic cells encounter neural tissue, the neural tissue is preserved, allowing for the original personality to be a enforced member of the Beast. Each seperate discrete Beast organism will act in concert even if it means the destruction of a individual organism. Except for game balancing(in mutliplayer), there is no such thing as the central control node. More important nodes, yes. But the rest will not suddenly die/fall into confusion if the main controlling ship dies.

Also the Naggoroth(sp?) is somewere in the outer rim of the SW universe

A typical ISD has how many thousands of people? IIRC A human brain is about 1.3kg to 1.4 kg. Assuming a thousand people on the ISD, all weighing ~75kgs, the Beast would have a brain mass of 75 tons. Thats a f*ck lot of brain power. Granted a chunk will be taken up running the ship(not a huge chunk, because the overhead of the thousand individual bodies is gone) & reverse engineering all the tech but that still leaves a lot of idle brain power.

If you assume 15 thousnad people, you get a Beast mass of ~1125 tons

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-09 08:13pm

Though you have TONS of Hermetic seals in an ISD, A Imp would have twice that and I think the glowy web crap would be noticed quite quickly

Furthermore how will it deal with the TON of various aliens on NR ships from non-carbon based life-forms to things like Gands which don't even respire...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-09 08:33pm

Given the Beast goes through the hull and onwards, I really doubt the ISD can stop it once it's onboard and spreading. Now we have a few things to consider.

1) The Beast now has an ISD with an assload of powerful tech at it's disposal.

2) The Beast has access to the ISD's onboard vessels.

3) Unless a PlotDevice(tm) has been installed to jettison the Beacon, it has 'Knowledge of birthself', and is heading straight for the Naggarok.

The NR better pray to whatever god's it follows it can stop that thing before awaking the Original Beast.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-09-09 10:51pm

The only proven method of fighting the beast once its onboard is to vent plasma throughout the infected areas. Killing any crew in those areas and destroying all of the equipment.

Here's a better one though: A beast cruise missile slams into the surface of Coruscant at the very end of AotC while the Acclamators are boarding.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-09 10:54pm

weemadando wrote:The only proven method of fighting the beast once its onboard is to vent plasma throughout the infected areas. Killing any crew in those areas and destroying all of the equipment.

Here's a better one though: A beast cruise missile slams into the surface of Coruscant at the very end of AotC while the Acclamators are boarding.

The entire planet is a complete loss. 5km long mining vessels in Homeworld Cataclysm can be infected in a handful of minutes.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2002-09-09 11:47pm

Mr Bean wrote:Though you have TONS of Hermetic seals in an ISD, A Imp would have twice that and I think the glowy web crap would be noticed quite quickly

Hermetic seals dont work very well when the infection goes through the Hull, to get around them. Plus the Beast spreads fast.

Furthermore how will it deal with the TON of various aliens on NR ships from non-carbon based life-forms to things like Gands which don't even respire...

They infected the Bentusi, who presumable are not the same as the Higarians. Which does goes to say how effectively the Beast can travel through a ship's hull.

Anyway it can always just break down an alien it to is molecular compenents & use them that way. I dont think it would slow them down much.

The Bentusi's responce to the Beast was to exit the Galaxy at best posible speed. Presumable the other Unbound(uber) races were doing the same. The Bentusi arent pacifists but they arent warmongers, and carry mean weaponary.

SirNitram wrote:3) Unless a PlotDevice(tm) has been installed to jettison the Beacon, it has 'Knowledge of birthself', and is heading straight for the Naggarok.

No such PlotDevice(tm) exists

The Naggarok is a bit much though, a hyperdrive that can cross between a galaxy in a reasonable timespan! And an inertialess drive system. Plus the 'normal' Beast infection beam + other stuff.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-26 04:25pm

What about the beast vs the Empire, since the NR is kinda weak

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-26 04:26pm

What about the beast vs the Empire, since the NR is kinda weak

The *Rouge ISD is dead within two hours

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-26 05:09pm

What if escorted cruise missiles were launched at the attacking ISDs and infection beams at fighters? (escort missiles with captured TIEs). Besides, the empire won't send their whole fleet if the beast fools them. It has demonstrated this ability before. Also, does anyone know about good mods for HW:C?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-26 06:56pm

What if escorted cruise missiles were launched at the attacking ISDs and infection beams at fighters? (escort missiles with captured TIEs). Besides, the empire won't send their whole fleet if the beast fools them. It has demonstrated this ability before. Also, does anyone know about good mods for HW:C?

The Biosensors on the typical ISD alone can see anything as drastic as the Beast style infection from Light hours away ...

The Beast's very nature works aginst it vs the Empire

As for infection beams... Not Likley, Agian remeber SW shielding tech, if a ISD goes rouge standered doctrine is to send three times the number of ships required to kill the tratior

IE Six ISD's which can blast away the Rouge ISD's shields collectivly in under a few seconds then start hammering the hull
A one on one ISD fight lasts less than a full mintue, A Six on one will last less than ten seconds....

Remeber the quailty of SW Sensors are unmatched when it comes to things like this, The Slave 1 can find a 3 meter metal object from Light hours away in the middle of a Astroid Field, The Bio Sensors are even better, Bunkers 2 Miles down can be scaned by thier Bio sensors from Lightminute range(Refer the near perfect BDZ of that planet whos name I can't remeber(Left one survior in a Bunker, over 3-4 miles down they did not dectect)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-26 08:31pm

What about just hypering away and infecting the outer planets, unless all the planets in the GE are protected. I don't know much about SW, just the stuff in discussion boards and ANH/ROTJ, and parts of TPM

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-26 09:26pm

What about just hypering away and infecting the outer planets, unless all the planets in the GE are protected. I don't know much about SW, just the stuff in discussion boards and ANH/ROTJ, and parts of TPM

Holo-net is instantious anywhere in the Galaxy and roughly 80-90% of Planets now have full or at least Theater Shields to protect themsleves, Even Argracutlural Worlds by the time of ANH had full Plantary shield covarge able to take Yotta'tons of damage before going down(Bascily constant bombardment by 20 ISDs for a month could not dent those shields)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-26 11:25pm

ALL of the planets can't have shields, right?. Or just hyperspace into deep space. Maybe vong territory to gain vong tech? Besides once it gets on a planet, since a planet has many nooks and crannies, the only way to "cleanse" the planet is to deathstar it or research some gas or nanobots. Of course the empire is ruthless enough to do this so........ I dunno. Does the empire use quarantine or do they just blast the place to bits. Also, do they always keep their planetary shields up? Also, is it standard procedure for ISDs to keep shields up at all times. It might have a chance if a small amount got away and came aboard a ship salvaging derelics, so outbreaks might break up from time to time. Now if it captured a deathstar, eg the highly improbable scenario that the ISD picked it up for research and brought it to the deathstar out of unlikely stupidity life or if it ejected a pod which would stay latent when picked up (example salvaging) until it docked at a shipyard, deathstar, etc., since the Beast pod did not become active for a while after it was picked up in the homeworld story. Damn I need to use shorter sentences and posts. Maybe it was studying things in the Kuun Lan's computer? Could'nt it do the same on the ISD? Does the empire always deep scan for lifesigns, i.e. scan for bacteria, etc? I don't think small quantities could be distiguishable from bacteria. I dunno, kinda sleepy and rambling on.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-27 08:03am

ALL of the planets can't have shields, right?. Or just hyperspace into deep space. Maybe vong territory to gain vong tech?

Considering the nature of Vong tech the beast will have its hands full trying to do anything to Vong, OAN the Planets that don't have shields are generaly the WORTHLESS ones (80%-90% of plants have shields... and if a 200 person Colony world gets at least a Theater shield... See where I'm going with this? Its not very likley that any planet that does not have shields will be that useful....

Besides once it gets on a planet, since a planet has many nooks and crannies, the only way to "cleanse" the planet is to deathstar it or research some gas or nanobots.

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Base Delta Zero Check Stravo's Fanfic for a nice chilling descripiton of what happens but basicly I'll put it this way, Can the Beast Survive 5000+ Tempures? No? Well thats what happens when an ISD MELTS THE CRUST OF A PLANET, that does not destroy the planet of course but when an ISD is finished with any planet its completly useless to praticaly anyone

Does the empire use quarantine or do they just blast the place to bits. Also, do they always keep their planetary shields up?

Standered Pratice unless a Ship with the Proper Codes apporaches and asks to Dock unless of course the Galaxy wide APB has already gone out(Remeber instant to anywhere in the Galaxy) in which case they will be met with open guns

Also, is it standard procedure for ISDs to keep shields up at all times. It might have a chance if a small amount got away and came aboard a ship salvaging derelics, so outbreaks might break up from time to time.

Nothing is EVER brought aboard Captial ships like ISDs, This is not ST, An ISD is a Ship of War, Not a Science Vessel, They have Science Vessels for that....

Damn I need to use shorter sentences and posts. Maybe it was studying things in the Kuun Lan's computer? Could'nt it do the same on the ISD?

Completly diffrent system with Hirracical Secruity Clerances, Its not likley that it would get through the computer system insatantly

Does the empire always deep scan for lifesigns, i.e. scan for bacteria, etc? I don't think small quantities could be distiguishable from bacteria.

Standered Pratice on Imperal Held worlds according to EU book Stars End is a MOLECULE level scan(Remeber Bactera is made up of a few hundred K Molecules, and if they scan at the Molecule level anything that looks vaugly diffrent will sound off alarms)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-27 03:48pm

Does the empire vaporize rouge ISDs or do they just blow it up?
damn this is splitting into two scenarios - pod /remnant salvaged and planetary infection.

Base Delta Zero Check Stravo's Fanfic for a nice chilling descripiton of what happens but basicly I'll put it this way, Can the Beast Survive 5000+ Tempures? No? Well thats what happens when an ISD MELTS THE CRUST OF A PLANET, that does not destroy the planet of course but when an ISD is finished with any planet its completly useless to praticaly anyone

Does the same thing as deathstar. I meant no way to get it off a planet without wiping out all lifeforms. BDZ would do that too. Of course who cares since imperials don't seem to care about citizens.

Standered Pratice unless a Ship with the Proper Codes apporaches and asks to Dock unless of course the Galaxy wide APB has already gone out(Remeber instant to anywhere in the Galaxy) in which case they will be met with open guns

Standered Pratice on Imperal Held worlds according to EU book Stars End is a MOLECULE level scan(Remeber Bactera is made up of a few hundred K Molecules, and if they scan at the Molecule level anything that looks vaugly diffrent will sound off alarms)

Standard practice might not always be followed, though in this case it probably would, since how tedious is it to scan something? How disciplined are machinery operators (not stormtroopers)? What are the (presumably nasty) punishments for not following procedure.

Completly diffrent system with Hirracical Secruity Clerances, Its not likley that it would get through the computer system insatantly

Not instantly, yes. Couldn't it view the data media directly, and analyze the computer itself since it being microscopic nanobots/biological organism has physical access to the computer's processors/etc? Encryption might be a problem though. Maybe selectively infect personnel with passcodes? Of course this is probably inventing capabilities out of thin air (the selective infection thing). Also remind HDS that systems from different races/universes aren't compatiable, so he should'nt use that tactic in a SW vs Andromeda. In this case, however the nanobots could just infect the computer itself. The naggorok came from a different galaxy and the beast adapted to HW computers.

Nothing is EVER brought aboard Captial ships like ISDs, This is not ST, An ISD is a Ship of War, Not a Science Vessel, They have Science Vessels for that....

I meant that the ISD with the beast was destroyed, or ejected something, and later some private salvage ship or sci ship takes it and gets the beast aboard.

Considering the nature of Vong tech the beast will have its hands full trying to do anything to Vong, OAN the Planets that don't have shields are generaly the WORTHLESS ones (80%-90% of plants have shields... and if a 200 person Colony world gets at least a Theater shield... See where I'm going with this? Its not very likley that any planet that does not have shields will be that useful....

The point is once it takes over a planet, even a small one, could'nt it bide it's time harvesting resources and building a fleet? Also a theater shield wont last forever against an ISD. Are theatre shields kept up all the time? Also, what about disguising something. Outer world security can't be as good as that of the core worlds. Though 200 people is probably not enough biomatter to operate anything. It depends on whether or not the beast uses people as nodes and can manufacture biomatter or can't manufacture biomatter and uses people as biomatter. How many people are already on an ISD? Of course once it builds a fleet it'll just infect other outer planets. Another option is to move the ISD to an asteroid belt and build a fleet. The beast probably has knowledge on how to construct a small shipyard. Just build a small worker manufacturing plant on the ISD. Workers will build shipyard. Probably won't produce anything larger then an ISD in a given time though. However the Somtaaw built a huge mothership using an existing mothership in a month, so maybe the beast can do the same. THe beast has demonstrated that it can build at least crude factories in the episodes where infected unarmed ships launch missiles.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-27 03:56pm

Mr Bean wrote:
What about the beast vs the Empire, since the NR is kinda weak
The *Rouge ISD is dead within two hours

Unlikely. The Beast ISD will have equal powered weapons to use against the other ships as well as its new weapon, the infection beam. How likely is it this ISD will meet up with another force that is stronger then itself?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-27 05:35pm

Don't forget that the beast ISD has slightly beefed up armor

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-27 07:58pm

Does the empire vaporize rouge ISDs or do they just blow it up?
damn this is splitting into two scenarios - pod /remnant salvaged and planetary infection.

The Bio Sensors and the fact the ISD had gone rouge would trigger them imeadlitly that somthing is up and probably would vap the remnats if the Death of the ISD did not do that itself(The Reactor going critical has a few times before quote *Consumed everything)

Does the same thing as deathstar. I meant no way to get it off a planet without wiping out all lifeforms. BDZ would do that too. Of course who cares since imperials don't seem to care about citizens.

The Imperals have never been to big about carring if they have to slag a planet or two...

Standard practice might not always be followed, though in this case it probably would, since how tedious is it to scan something? How disciplined are machinery operators (not stormtroopers)? What are the (presumably nasty) punishments for not following procedure.

Computer and Droid Controled, Standard Pratice will always be followed....

The point is once it takes over a planet, even a small one, could'nt it bide it's time harvesting resources and building a fleet?

So the Beast can waves its hands and make a Fleet? The ISD is designed to be self sufficent but not THAT self sufficent... Also don't you think a Missing ISD is going to sound an Alarm?

Unlikely. The Beast ISD will have equal powered weapons to use against the other ships as well as its new weapon, the infection beam. How likely is it this ISD will meet up with another force that is stronger then itself?

Standered Pratice, When you suspect a Ship has gone over to the Rebels you send a bigger force to destroy it

Clue in here, Two ISDs can take eachers shields down in under a mintue, anywhere from 5 to twenty Vollys, 2 Sec Firing rate on the HTLs so Six ISDs means the ISD dies instantly or within eight seconds.....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-28 08:26pm

Oh I forgot. Beast infection cruise missiles go right through shields.

Just mass fire cruise missiles at an attacking ISD simultaneously, protecting them with sentinals and ties to take fire for the missiles. The attackers probably will think that the missiles won't pose a threat against shielded ships (isn't that why turbolasers are the primary weapon?) so they will focus on the bigger threat, the beast ISD. Remember, the empire knows little about the beast, while the beast can study the computer, hypering away to gain time to study. Even if they don't focus on the missles, in the case of massed missiles, some will always get through, even on flack fire (horrible aiming/ECM- damn are gunners really that bad? Maybe an optical system instead of radar?). Within seconds of impact, the cruise missiles will quickly subvert another ISD. By then the other ISDs will start focusing on the missiles, while the beast hammers away. Also, what about ejecting lifepods (assuming the empire still doesn't know about the beast. Would'nt the empire want to interrogate prisoners?
Also, could'nt sentinal shields provide an extra, but weak level of protection over standard ISD shields?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-28 09:48pm

Beast infection cruise missiles go right through shields

Oh realy? How? Remeber this is not ST or Homeworld we have Particale shields in SW

The attackers probably will think that the missiles won't pose a threat against shielded ships (isn't that why turbolasers are the primary weapon?)

Not on all ships, Vic's mount 80 Conncusion missle Launchers, more than any other gun put togther, Par of Par TLs are cheaper than Missles,
Not less descrutive just cheaper

Remember, the empire knows little about the beast, while the beast can study the computer, hypering away to gain time to study.

The Empire needs to know nothing about the Beast to slag it and a Rouge ISD, This is how they will precive the ISD, And as for it running away?
Remeber we can track big ships passing through Hyperspace from Light-hours away....

(horrible aiming/ECM- damn are gunners really that bad? Maybe an optical system instead of radar?).

No need to Aim Flack bursts, Its a Gigaton or Higher Level EXPOLISON, Vaugly in the right direction does just fine for Flack Bursts

(assuming the empire still doesn't know about the beast. Would'nt the empire want to interrogate prisoners?

Prisoners? On an ISD that rebeled? Not likely!

Also, could'nt sentinal shields provide an extra, but weak level of protection over standard ISD shields

Prehaps... But then the ISD has roughly seven seconds to live, seven point one will not help....

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-09-29 07:05am

MrBean wrote:Oh realy? How? Remeber this is not ST or Homeworld we have Particale shields in SW

Oh really ? Play to Cataclysm and you'll see that Sentinel's level 2 forcefields stop standard missiles, but are useless against Beast cruise missiles.
OTOH, Sentinel's shields would be useless against an ISD's HTL shot, ion beams are at best 2 gigatons per salvo ( back-of-the-enveloppe calc from a observation from SirNitram - asteroid vaporization ) , a single HTL shot would rip them off.
BTW, wasn't there a novel in which "slow" projectiles ( meaning subrelativistic, but still fast ) go right through SW shields ? Beast missiles will fuck'em all.[/i]

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-29 08:10am

OTOH, Sentinel's shields would be useless against an ISD's HTL shot, ion beams are at best 2 gigatons per salvo ( back-of-the-enveloppe calc from a observation from SirNitram - asteroid vaporization ) , a single HTL shot would rip them off.

You seem to be behind the times there bucko, MTLs on an ISD are Rated at 200GTs with ISDs being much higher while the HTLs are graphicly and expoentialy much more powerful, normal calcs in the low Teraton range, between 3.8-12 is the normal range so must use the new avarage 6.250 Teratons

Based off of realy lopsided Calcs the minium shielding for an ISD is roughly 30TT and thats when we ignored everything but the HTLs and assumed they where 200GTs

BTW, wasn't there a novel in which "slow" projectiles ( meaning subrelativistic, but still fast ) go right through SW shields ? Beast missiles will fuck'em all

No.. Never, Particule shields are particule shields,defentily extending into the Subspace area and possibley the Hyerwave sections as well it seems.

*Unless you can back up the fact that the *Magic cruise missles will go right through the equivlant of a 200 Foot cube of Titantium I don't think those cruise missles will be doing anything but poping like bugs

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-09-29 02:06pm

Why "magic" ? A needle with tiny KE will penetrate your skin, while projectiles with bigger surface and more KE ( say, a tennis ball ) wouldn't even do it. The Beast is more than 1 million year old, it might have had some time to create some interesting things...

Anyway why do you remind me of the shield resilience of an ISD ? I know it. I just said that Homeworld's heavy ion beams were 2 gigatons/shot at best, and could destroy a Sentinel's shield vector in less than 1 minute, therefore HTL, rated in the 5 000+ GT, would get through them as if they weren't there.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-29 02:14pm

Why "magic" ? A needle with tiny KE will penetrate your skin, while projectiles with bigger surface and more KE ( say, a tennis ball ) wouldn't even do it. The Beast is more than 1 million year old, it might have had some time to create some interesting things...

An example then
An SSD had three ISDs travling near C smack into it and they crunched like Bugs on a Windshield....
Sure a Needle with Tiny KE will pentrate your skin but thats because you skin has HOLES

Shields don't
Thier energy barrier alll the way down to the Quantum Level...

Anyway why do you remind me of the shield resilience of an ISD

In referance to the Missle you said would go through shield

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-29 02:29pm

Oh realy? How? Remeber this is not ST or Homeworld we have Particale shields in SW

Here is a quote from the manual:"Sentinal shields are no defense against Beast missiles; the drone's[missile's] organic tip absorbs the field charge and allows the missiles to slip through.

Uh, we have particle shielding too(Level 3 Sentinal shields). Sure they require microships to keep them up but these are cheap. Besides (off topic) did the DS1 have particle shielding? How did the X wings go through the shields? Can fighters or other relatively low velocity objects pass through shields?

No need to Aim Flack bursts, Its a Gigaton or Higher Level EXPOLISON, Vaugly in the right direction does just fine for Flack Bursts

Oh and how come flack isn't used more often in the films? Also, can the TLs fire at >= 200 GT repeatedly? Or is it a shoot once, long reload or messes up the weapon type shot?

Don't those turrets have horrible tracking, making them horrible against fighters? I mean these are the people who couldn't hit an asteroid (whether or not the shields were up is for debate.

How long does it take to scramble fighters, assuming the pilots are not in the TIEs

Also, do turbolaser bolts hit a target and keep going, or do they blow up? If they just blow up, the missiles can keep fire off an ISD by absorbing the TLs. Besides, you can make a lot of missiles in 2 hours.... fire swarms and some will always get through
.

Prehaps... But then the ISD has roughly seven seconds to live, seven point one will not help....

Um you can make a lot of sentinals in 2 hours, 12 for an all around sphere (limits are there because of gaming reasons, too many will overwhelm the computer and make it slow), and the rest can be made into adjacent walls. I'm not sure that the reason you can't make multilayered shields is because of gaming reasons, or the fact that you can't. However you could just make walls instead. How small are imp shield generators anyway? Maybe they can replace the sentinal shield generators? Oh and remember that the beast infection gives an extra layer of armor, however at the expense of speed. Also, if a sentinal shields go down, just replace the sentinals with fresh ones.

The Empire needs to know nothing about the Beast to slag it and a Rouge ISD, This is how they will precive the ISD, And as for it running away?
Remeber we can track big ships passing through Hyperspace from Light-hours away....

How does the empire know if an ISD has gone rouge? How long does it take them to realize this and go through the bureaucracy? Maybe they can hail ONE nearby ISD and infect it? Besides can hyperdrive leave the galaxy and then would the empire bother hunting it down if it did? Unfortunately that depends on whether or not the original crew bothered to send a distress signal.... wait could'nt the beast send a fake signal? When they start scanning it will be too late.........

*Unless you can back up the fact that the *Magic cruise missles will go right through the equivlant of a 200 Foot cube of Titantium I don't think those cruise missles will be doing anything but poping like bugs

Only 200 feet of only titanium? And don't give me the "made of Real Neutronium" crap. Neutronium armor would be useless, since it would fall apart leaving deadly neutron radiation flying in every direction and weakening everything else. Its gotta be something else. But if not... then I think a couple GT would go through that. I really think ISDs have more then that...., but that would make ISDs immobile, unless SW weaponry was really weaker.

Anyways, since ion cannons are 2 GT and are focused, methinks that HW armor is thicker than that. Cruise missiles penetrate HW armor, so they can penetrate SW armor. If they can't, then just aim missiles at windows on the bridge or some thinly armored spots (Armor can't be thick everywhere, otherwise the ship would'nt go anywhere. That is why the thickest armor on the M1 is in the front.) Where is the thinnest and thickest armor on an ISD? I think thinnest around the windows and the rear and top, since fighter fire is insignificant. and parts of the bottom. Thickest is probably sides and front

And what about using food as biomatter?

As for the resources to build all this, just cannibalize the crew quarters and any material in the workshop, and anything else not required, like internal bulkheads. Or just hyperspace around, salvaging things

Oh and what about fireing weak beast infected turbolaser bolts at TIEs (if turbolasers are part plasma). Nevermind, infection beams are already VERY effective against subverting fighters.

Also when the imps attack, do they attack from multiple vectors? If so, do the ISDs face the direction that they were when they entered hyperspace? If so, then how long does it take for an ISD to turn completely around?

Also, once an the Beast ISD infects someplace, could'nt it hyperspace into, say the Deathstar to spread beast plasma? Like a giant cruise missile?

Oh and what manufacturing facilities are on an ISD?