Dominion Super Cap Ships

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2002-09-27 03:39pm

Has anyone ever done a comparison of the Dominion Super Cap-Ships shown in the last few episodes of Deep Space 9 with various Star Wars cap ships.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-27 03:49pm

The Dominion is at ST power level. The big ships, while possibly significantly more powerful than the federation or klingon ships, are still one-shot kill for the ISD's 200 gigaton medium guns.
It can't be that they're so much more powerful than other ships, because then the Dominion would have been very stupid not to utilize them to beat the federation.

In short, those 'huge' ships are just easier to target.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-09-27 03:51pm

Why are people calling the 200GT TL medium guns for an ISD? Is this an assumption?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 03:56pm

Sith: Dont get them started, they will be telling us about PT level broad sides in a minute - what hath thou wrought?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-27 04:01pm

Well the assumption is not unsupported because (as has been stated a million times before) a transport's small guns for self defense are of another caliber than the main guns of a capital warship, you wouldn't say a 6 inch gun is no more powerful than a 16 inch.
Using scaling, Peta-ton estimates are not unreasonable.
200 gigatons, though, are still sufficient.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 04:04pm

You see....

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-27 04:06pm

Looks like somebody doesn't want to accept how powerful Star Wars is...

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-27 04:07pm

Actually it's not how powerful Wars is (it's just medium), it's just how pitifully weak trek is

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 04:07pm

No im just trying to get upto 1500 posts.

I dont have much of a problem with wars claiming mega power aslong as trek can do the same.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-27 04:09pm

TheDarkling wrote:No im just trying to get upto 1500 posts.

I dont have much of a problem with wars claiming mega power aslong as trek can do the same.

What mega power?
Trek should know it's place... at the bottom.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 04:11pm

Um yeah whatever.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-09-27 04:12pm

No im just trying to get upto 1500 posts.

I dont have much of a problem with wars claiming mega power aslong as trek can do the same.

Well the thing is the Wars side has the evidence to actually prove it's power levels which are vastly superior to trek tech, while the trek side often enough comes up with unsupported claims

Congrats btw

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2002-09-27 04:16pm

Actually size does matter as Mr. Wong has pointed out. Those cap ships demonstrate a vastly superior technology base over every other Star Trek ships shown with possible exception of the Borg.

Also the ships show considerable firepower when the incomplete model destroys with ease a Defiant Class warship in two short passes by the smaller ship.

Finally the last episode shows more of these Dominion ships but as even more scaled up models which would have to be an order of magnitude more powerful than the first one shown.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-27 04:22pm

Actually size does matter as Mr. Wong has pointed out. Those cap ships demonstrate a vastly superior technology base over every other Star Trek ships shown with possible exception of the Borg.

that may be true, but they are still outgunned by SW ships, NTM their larger size just makes them easier to target, the Borg and dominion can match some SW larger ships in size, but those ST ships are very underpowered by SW standards.

though using the low-end scaling the dominion battleship is the size of a ISD.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 04:24pm

It all depends what you peg the Feds fire power at - if its Kilotons then being better than that isnt great, MT same again, GT hmm might be getting somewhere, TT now we are talking, PT no chance thats to much fire power no matter what one incident says (you would be an idiot to take one example over everything else shown when you can at least bring it down to reasonable levels that fit with other canon evidence).

On this sort of scale the Borg/8472/other super ships yoyo about from being bugs on the windshield to actual threats but since there are no accepted and proven values theres little to work from.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-27 04:32pm

It all depends what you peg the Feds fire power at - if its Kilotons then being better than that isnt great, MT same again, GT hmm might be getting somewhere, TT now we are talking, PT no chance thats to much fire power no matter what one incident says (you would be an idiot to take one example over everything else shown when you can at least bring it down to reasonable levels that fit with other canon evidence).

On this sort of scale the Borg/8472/other super ships yoyo about from being bugs on the windshield to actual threats but since there are no accepted and proven values theres little to work from.

starfury Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2002 3:22 pm Post subject:

yeah, using low-end, they are just really nice targets, using really high-end vs SW low-end, we can make it

either result in a trek victory or a brutal attriton war.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-27 05:44pm

the Dominion Battleship is the only ship in Star Trek that could concivably go 1 on 1 with a ISD. But it still suffers from the same strategic problem al other Star Trek ships face in the the ISD can move across the galaxy much fast then they can so engineering a confrontation would be much harder.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-27 05:48pm

Still, what has that battleship really done?
Destroy a cadet-run gunboat? OOOH! Impressive. Not.

And if that ship really was a cut above the rest and they could build more, the Dominion must be run by utter jellyheads for not using them.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-27 05:50pm

Evil Jerk wrote:Still, what has that battleship really done?
Destroy a cadet-run gunboat? OOOH! Impressive. Not.

And if that ship really was a cut above the rest and they could build more, the Dominion must be run by utter jellyheads for not using them.

Very true

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-27 05:51pm

They can and do build more ( we see them under construction at at least one shipyard during season 7) however I dont think we are talking more powerfull than a few Galaxy Class ships its not super uber - or at least I saw no evidence of it being that good.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-09-27 06:02pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Well the assumption is not unsupported because (as has been stated a million times before) a transport's small guns for self defense are of another caliber than the main guns of a capital warship, you wouldn't say a 6 inch gun is no more powerful than a 16 inch.
Using scaling, Peta-ton estimates are not unreasonable.
200 gigatons, though, are still sufficient.

But it's still an assumtion, okay that's all I wanted to know. Until I hear otherwise, 200GT is the max canon number for TL.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-27 06:04pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Well the assumption is not unsupported because (as has been stated a million times before) a transport's small guns for self defense are of another caliber than the main guns of a capital warship, you wouldn't say a 6 inch gun is no more powerful than a 16 inch.
Using scaling, Peta-ton estimates are not unreasonable.
200 gigatons, though, are still sufficient.
But it's still an assumtion, okay that's all I wanted to know. Until I hear otherwise, 200GT is the max canon number for TL.

How can you seriously think it's the max when it's a gun on an antiquated troop transport?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-27 06:05pm

The ship is what, x2 the size of a GCS and x3 as powerful?

Yeah, that'll be impressive.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2002-09-27 06:20pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Well the assumption is not unsupported because (as has been stated a million times before) a transport's small guns for self defense are of another caliber than the main guns of a capital warship, you wouldn't say a 6 inch gun is no more powerful than a 16 inch.
Using scaling, Peta-ton estimates are not unreasonable.
200 gigatons, though, are still sufficient.
But it's still an assumtion, okay that's all I wanted to know. Until I hear otherwise, 200GT is the max canon number for TL.

200GT is the max canon number for QTL's mounted on Acclamator's, correct.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-09-27 06:30pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Well the assumption is not unsupported because (as has been stated a million times before) a transport's small guns for self defense are of another caliber than the main guns of a capital warship, you wouldn't say a 6 inch gun is no more powerful than a 16 inch.
Using scaling, Peta-ton estimates are not unreasonable.
200 gigatons, though, are still sufficient.
But it's still an assumtion, okay that's all I wanted to know. Until I hear otherwise, 200GT is the max canon number for TL.
How can you seriously think it's the max when it's a gun on an antiquated troop transport?

I don't think that, but then again how do you know that TL technology has advanced any? What if the only reason the transport doesn't stand up to an ISD in combat is because the ISD has many more of them (which it does if I'm not mistaken), and better shields?

Then again it could be higher but we don't know, and people seem to be talking like 200 GT MEDIUM TL are an accepted fact, when in reality it isn't.