Tom Cruise To Win BoB

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-15 02:25pm

The famed "Finest hour" will be changed forever in a new Hollywood blockbuster project headed by Top Gun star Cruise.

If this is made the way I've heard it's going to be... it's going to get slammed so much it'll be funny, like Gigli.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-09-15 02:27pm

I see it's going to be Pearl Harbor II

Oi vey...why?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-15 02:32pm

Another love triangle surrounded by a war i presume.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-15 02:32pm

It'll make money?

Honestly, it annoys me that they'll tell this story but make it out like this guy who I've heard of before (he got either 6 easy kills or none at all) singlehandedly won the battle and was some sort of Red Baron of WWII.

That and Michael Mann may direct, a director I adore for films like Heat and Last Of The Mohicans.

Gah, it's going to be like the worst aspects of Pearl in one film, I know it.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-09-15 02:35pm

It is sad that US film companies think that a film not revolving around Americans is too much for a US audience to handle.

I recently heard Dog Soldiers is going to get an American remake/knockoff , why not just release the original in the US??? Sad indeed.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-15 02:41pm

TheDarkling wrote:It is sad that US film companies think that a film not revolving around Americans is too much for a US audience to handle.

I recently heard Dog Soldiers is going to get an American remake/knockoff , why not just release the original in the US??? Sad indeed.

I wouldn't mind that, I heard a sequel was in the works, perhaps it'll be the US based one.

Much like Ultraviolet which I recently watched again on DVD. The original mini-series came out in '98 and Channel 4 sold the licence for a US company to make their own version set in the States, only they've not done jack yet.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 02:49pm

It is sad that US film companies think that a film not revolving around Americans is too much for a US audience to handle.

Which is why Pirates of the Caribbean, with not a single American in it, has grossed over 280 million domestically.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-09-15 02:52pm

i thought johnny depp was american?

theres also the fact that the film was produced by americans, paid for by americans, and written by an american... well, actually im not sure about the written one, but then, who's to say there weren't some american extras

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 02:53pm

Zac Naloen wrote:i thought johnny depp was american?

theres also the fact that the film was produced by americans, paid for by americans, and written by an american... well, actually im not sure about the written one, but then, who's to say there weren't some american extras

Not a single American character, I mean.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-09-15 02:54pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Which is why Pirates of the Caribbean, with not a single American in it, has grossed over 280 million domestically.

Neither did Braveheart have any Americans in because it’s not historically possible, even Americans on occasion realise when their nation was founded and you will also note I didn't say it wasn't possible for a film to do well with no Americans in it just that studios are hesitant to go for anything not featuring Americans front and centre.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-09-15 02:58pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote:i thought johnny depp was american?

theres also the fact that the film was produced by americans, paid for by americans, and written by an american... well, actually im not sure about the written one, but then, who's to say there weren't some american extras
Not a single American character, I mean.

fair enough, but it does make sense when there were no americans per se back then

Personally i think the fact that the film was about pirates was enough to make it an instant success....

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-09-15 02:59pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
I wouldn't mind that, I heard a sequel was in the works, perhaps it'll be the US based one.

No the sequel is separate (although that will also feature Americans in an effort to get a US release), this film features Americans soldiers on a training op in Eastern Europe who come to realise they are up against Werewolves, its possible it will go in a different direction but at the moment it sounds very familiar.

Much like Ultraviolet which I recently watched again on DVD. The original mini-series came out in '98 and Channel 4 sold the licence for a US company to make their own version set in the States, only they've not done jack yet.

That I wouldn't mind Ultraviolet was great and a revival in any form (as long as it stays true to the premise) would be most welcome.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 03:01pm

TheDarkling wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
Which is why Pirates of the Caribbean, with not a single American in it, has grossed over 280 million domestically.
Neither did Braveheart have any Americans in because it?s not historically possible, even Americans on occasion realise when their nation was founded and you will also note I didn't say it wasn't possible for a film to do well with no Americans in it just that studios are hesitant to go for anything not featuring Americans front and centre.

Harry Potter ring a bell? I think it's relevant, given that both films combined have a domestic gross of over a half billion.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-09-15 03:04pm

Harry potter, again guaranteed success cos of what it is about, and the gzillions of kids and some adults that read them.

The fact that the cast is almost entirely british makes sense, cos i imagine most kids would imagine british accents when they read the books, i don't think it would have been as succesful had the cast been american.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-09-15 03:04pm

There's a long history of Studios trying to put an American in a foreign setting even if ot was impossible for an American to have been there. For Braveheart you have an Australian that many Americans like playing a Scottish rebel. In Spartacus you have Kirk Douglas and that Brooklyn speaking guy whose name escapes me playing his buddy in the movie with the really evil parts played by foreigners. Even in movies like Path to Glory about a French battalion in WWI you have Kirk Douglas as the commander and not a single French accent in the house. Its very sad to see French soldiers referring to each other with Americanized pronunciations of their last names. UGH.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen shoe horned in Tom Sawyer, and so on and so on. Need I go on? Its like Studios cannot concieve of audiences watching a bunch of foreingners acting in a movie without an American or at least an American face or accent in sight.

This Tom Cruise in BoB is just disgusting. When some Brist were whining about Band of Brothers I said "Well have your own fucking studios create your WWII stories." Now when we pull shit like this it makes me cringe, must we horn in on others' finest hours?? Jesus this is like that U-295 or whatever that movie was called about the submarines and stealing the enigma.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 03:06pm

Zac Naloen wrote:Harry potter, again guaranteed success cos of what it is about, and the gzillions of kids and some adults that read them.

The fact that the cast is almost entirely british makes sense, cos i imagine most kids would imagine british accents when they read the books, i don't think it would have been as succesful had the cast been american.

I think it would have been quite successful, in the U.S., but not worldwide.

In any case, concession accepted.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-15 03:06pm

What about LXG which had Tom Sawyer in as a fairly redundant character in just to have an American as part of the story?

This just highlights how out of touch the studio is when many US viewers said they wouldn't mind a fully foreign cast anyway.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-09-15 03:07pm

i never saw U-571, for the simple fact that the cast was american, it was british soldiers who took that U-boat, and a lot of brits weren't happy that the credit was completely removed from the film... if your gonna make an historical film, make it historical. If not, make up your story so americans can be in it, and don't try and claim it actually happened that way.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 03:08pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:What about LXG which had Tom Sawyer in as a fairly redundant character in just to have an American as part of the story?

This just highlights how out of touch the studio is when many US viewers said they wouldn't mind a fully foreign cast anyway.

And LXG had a pretty weak box-office showing, by this summer's standards (only around 65 million).

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 03:14pm

Y'all do have a point though, to be fair. I just don't respond well to snipes at the rude colonials.

Take The Last Samurai. This film looks interesting enough, at least to me, for me to see it Tom Cruise or no, but that's how it goes.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-15 03:15pm

It will probably be a story on some young, dashing and incredibly talented American pilot (the best there is) who will leave his land (and his gorgeous girlfriend) because he wants to proves himself 'cause his father's legacy...anyway there he arrives in London finding the RAF morale at a lowest point. He and his lively buddies (including a smartass competitor in flight and love which will die later, a fatso comic relief and a token black actor) will bring hope to the Brits by their unparalled skills and in-your-face attitude.

Ah, yes; He will fall in love with another gorgeous, Brit chick who will symbolized English tenacity, and she will conveniently die heroically while the yanks are pulling irealistic odds to save the day somewhere else.

So he will get home to his first love, carrying the message "hey the Brits are right, let's enter this war on their side after all."

-Warships1.com forum

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-09-15 03:30pm

Durran Korr wrote: Harry Potter ring a bell? I think it's relevant, given that both films combined have a domestic gross of over a half billion.

The studios had no choice, Rowling told them it was an entirely British cast or she would take her story elsewhere (or more likely not bother at all).

The studio knew it was onto a winner and so was willing to compromise in order to cash in however s has already been pointed out studios do go out of their way to cram Americans into every film they can, again I'm not saying American audiences couldn't handle it just that the studios seem to have that opinion.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-15 03:35pm

As I recall, it wasn't the studios that were rejecting the idea of an all-British cast as much as it was Spielberg, who wanted Haley Joel Osment in the role of Harry, but he bowed out, and Chris Columbus was more than willing to go with an all-British cast.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-09-16 01:42am

Admiral Valdemar wrote: I wouldn't mind that, I heard a sequel was in the works, perhaps it'll be the US based one.

Much like Ultraviolet which I recently watched again on DVD. The original mini-series came out in '98 and Channel 4 sold the licence for a US company to make their own version set in the States, only they've not done jack yet.

I'd heard about the US version of Ultraviolet as well. Unfortunately, on one of the movie rumor sites I also read about a completely unrelated vampire movie with the same name.

Hopefully that's not the case and we'll get a decent adaptation or continuation of the original.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-16 01:51am

Zac Naloen wrote:i never saw U-571, for the simple fact that the cast was american, it was british soldiers who took that U-boat, and a lot of brits weren't happy that the credit was completely removed from the film... if your gonna make an historical film, make it historical. If not, make up your story so americans can be in it, and don't try and claim it actually happened that way.

Stop bitching about it. Mastow tried to get the support of several British studios make an accurate movie about the capture of U-571 and they all turned him down. So he wrote a fictional script with Americans and went back to Hollywood.

And if you had seen the movie, you would have seen the ending credits in which the movie is dedicated to all those involved in the capture of Enigma material and then credits the capture of U-571 to the Royal Navy.