Kuja wrote:Anderson didn't like the Thrawn trilogy. Zahn hated Dark Empire. So, Anderson had Dark Empire placed after the Thrawn trilogy chronologically, which effectively made anything Thrawn did pale in comparison to the Emperor. So, Zahn shot back with the Hand of Thrawn duology, which was set after anything else in the EU (IIRC) to try and nullify KJA.
No. Zahn outright REFUSED to cooperate with Dark Horse and Vietch, because he didn't want to accept the Dark Empire storyline (see his subtle bashing in VoTF), so LFL was forced to place DE after the TTT, which is kind of awkward as anyone can observe, since DE was supposed to take place when the TTT did.
"You know what the problem with Hollywood is. They make shit. Unbelievable. Unremarkable. Shit." - Gabriel Shear, Swordfish
"This statement, in its utterly clueless hubristic stupidity, cannot be improved upon. I merely quote it in admiration of its perfection." - Garibaldi in reply to an incredibly stupid post.
The Fifth Illuminatus Primus | Warsie | Skeptical Empiricist | Florida Gator | Sustainability Advocate | LibertarianSocialist |
Illuminatus Primus wrote:so LFL was forced to place DE after the TTT, which is kind of awkward as anyone can observe,
Why did they bow to his wishes? They control the SW timeline, they should able to place it anywhere they want to, regardless of the author's wishes. Afraid of losing his talents, maybe?
since DE was supposed to take place when the TTT did.
Was Zahn aware Dark Empire when he was working on TTT? He makes numerous references to the dead Emperor that would have been even more awkward if he was still alive or was ressurected and killed before TTT.
Too many authors at a time, and a distinct lack of a dedicated central management/control that new what it was doing, and has distinct aims, Plus a lot of authors who were in no way immersed in the universe....or had background that lacked the Starwars style.
As Stormbringer says, The Black Library has released over 70 novels, from a goodly selection of authors, but they've got a core of authors who produce a large chunk. and they have a bunch of people who are in authority who make sure they don't flub the history, they actually check and get specific answers, rather than getting a free reign to write any old raving shite....like KJA horrors for example, this is not to say they are strictly controlled, but at least they have some controls beyond...don't write about the clone wars.
Plus, they actually can control the way the whole hobby goes, The chaos campaign in Bill Kings slayer series is actually reflected in a real life world wide gaming campaign! Dan abnetts books have spawned models, special characters, coined new terms and practises!
The people in control of the Black library are WRITERS, their editor in chief has written several novels, in the genre of fantasy, and has been mates with several writers for a long time...Bill king etc.
Most of the authors are deeply immersed fans, games designers and industry experts....not just scifi writers, most of their experiance is in the genres they are writing in.
I don't mean scifi, I mean the type of stuff 40k and warhammer is,
And to comment on the x-wing series...its all based on a game, but the novels in 40k/wh manage not to get tied down to rules....they often define the rules.
Illuminatus Primus wrote:so LFL was forced to place DE after the TTT, which is kind of awkward as anyone can observe,
Why did they bow to his wishes? They control the SW timeline, they should able to place it anywhere they want to, regardless of the author's wishes. Afraid of losing his talents, maybe?
Because if they stuck with a TTT set after Dark Empire, Zahn would still refuse to encorporate DE into the backstory, and the TTT would've treated the earlier DE as if it didn't happen.
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
since DE was supposed to take place when the TTT did.
Was Zahn aware Dark Empire when he was working on TTT? He makes numerous references to the dead Emperor that would have been even more awkward if he was still alive or was ressurected and killed before TTT.
DE was released after the TTT, but it was in the works way before, as the license switched from Marvel to Darkhorse.
And the awkward and clashing points you point out was the reason they had to shoehorn DE into taking place after TTT, because Zahn refused to awknowledge DE, much less in the backstory to his own trilogy.
"You know what the problem with Hollywood is. They make shit. Unbelievable. Unremarkable. Shit." - Gabriel Shear, Swordfish
"This statement, in its utterly clueless hubristic stupidity, cannot be improved upon. I merely quote it in admiration of its perfection." - Garibaldi in reply to an incredibly stupid post.
The Fifth Illuminatus Primus | Warsie | Skeptical Empiricist | Florida Gator | Sustainability Advocate | LibertarianSocialist |
Illuminatus Primus wrote:No. Zahn outright REFUSED to cooperate with Dark Horse and Vietch, because he didn't want to accept the Dark Empire storyline (see his subtle bashing in VoTF), so LFL was forced to place DE after the TTT, which is kind of awkward as anyone can observe, since DE was supposed to take place when the TTT did.
Correct me if i'm wronmg but i thought that Zahn did mention several times the Cloned Emperor, even if it was just Jade doubting that it was actually him?
Lord Pounder wrote:Correct me if i'm wronmg but i thought that Zahn did mention several times the Cloned Emperor, even if it was just Jade doubting that it was actually him?
Yes Zahn acknowledged it in the duology but he did his best to absolutely downplay the significance of it. Mara wasn't doubting. She was flat out saying it.
And for my money, he was right to. Dark Empire was a nifty story that shat all over the point of the OT.
Zahn's also the only author to work pre-prequels to not have his history rise of empire history not completely over written by the PT.
