Strange rumour about 911

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-09-18 02:06am

After 911 happened a very strange rumour spread throughout the muslim
world. Even two years after the tragedy this rumour continues to persist. It
goes on like this : No jews were killed in 911 attacks so jews must have had early knowledge of it. Some even say that Jews or Israel caused the attacks to provoke America to fight the muslims.

I try to fight this rumour whenever I can but I lack evidence. Can you people help me ?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-18 02:57am

Ask them to justify their bullshit claims by producing lists of all the Jews who work in the WTC and the Pentagon, as well as documentation showing that all of them mysteriously failed to show up for work that day.

When they say that your demand is unreasonable, ask if they know if anyone has such lists and documentation. If they say they don't know, ask how they know this story is true.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-09-18 07:13am

the odds are against such a happening. it's probably not true.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-09-18 09:36am

*Files that conspiracy theory under 'racist claptrap' and moves on.*

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-18 09:54am

[Thread highjack on] That remind me about the Oklahoma bombing and the rumor about the CIA calling everyone of their employees,and told them to stay at home that day,anyone knows if its true or another conspiracy theorists lie.

[Thread highjack off]

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-09-18 10:20am

What other kind of conspiracy theory do you expect from that region of the world? The sad thing is I heard that a large number of people believe it, in places like Iraq and Palestine settlements.

There is a version of the same idea that Arabs didnt highjack the plane, but the were flown on remote control into the buildings.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-18 10:53am

That's likely bullshit, but it does disturb me that the US and many other nations knew of 11th September happening yet did jack shit to stop it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-18 01:44pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:What other kind of conspiracy theory do you expect from that region of the world? The sad thing is I heard that a large number of people believe it, in places like Iraq and Palestine settlements.

There is a version of the same idea that Arabs didnt highjack the plane, but the were flown on remote control into the buildings.

Just idealogically motivated BS. It's the same as the European belief that the US government had something to do with it. It's just something they want to believe because of their own ideals. Mindless conspiracy claptrap at it's worst.

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2003-09-18 02:05pm

evilcat4000 wrote:After 911 happened a very strange rumour spread throughout the muslim
world. Even two years after the tragedy this rumour continues to persist. It
goes on like this : No jews were killed in 911 attacks so jews must have had early knowledge of it. Some even say that Jews or Israel caused the attacks to provoke America to fight the muslims.

I try to fight this rumour whenever I can but I lack evidence. Can you people help me ?

You might find something on http://www.a dl.org

My view is that the conspiricy is simply illogical. Thousands(?) of Jews on airplanes, WTC, etc were warned, but not one of them had the heart to warn anyone else? Impossible. And where did Isreal/Mossad/whatever get this supposed list of Jews? Is there a website that publishes everyone's religion, workplace, and phone number?

Good luck fighting them. As for me, I consider them beyond logic or facts--simply pity them and hope their worldview grows with time.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-18 04:16pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:That's likely bullshit, but it does disturb me that the US and many other nations knew of 11th September happening yet did jack shit to stop it.

We didn't know enough to do much of anything to prevent it.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-18 04:19pm

Notice how this conspiracy theory plays on old racist stereotypes of the Jews. "Who but the deceptive, back-stabbing Jews would do such a thing, after all?"

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-18 04:50pm

Bah, that's just racist-god-text inspired claptrap. No jews were harmed because they are God's chosen race.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-18 04:56pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:That's likely bullshit, but it does disturb me that the US and many other nations knew of 11th September happening yet did jack shit to stop it.

What did we know and when? How could it have been prevented? If you want to make acussations like that then you'd better back them up.

The little information pertaining to September 11th we had prior to the attacks never got beyond an FBI desk jockey. And even that was so vague that it wasn't enough on it's only value was in hindsight.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-09-18 05:00pm

Stormbringer wrote: How could it have been prevented?

I was wondering...what could a government do if a hijacked plane is already in city airspace? Cos, you can't shoot it down cos it has to go somewhere...so what plans have they made in case something like this happens again?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-09-18 05:01pm

about as believable as the Pentagon BS thats floated to the surface here a couple of times.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-09-18 05:10pm

Well since Robin William's agent and Spin Doctor were on the Second flight that hit the world trade center and were both media mover's and shakers and both Jewish....

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-09-18 06:23pm

You can also find a few Israelis among the casualty list for the towers... I forget what the link to the database is but I dug it up when someone was claiming this in chat.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-09-18 08:01pm

New Jersey's poet lauterate published a poem with something like the words, "Who called and told all the Jews to stay home that day?"

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-18 08:14pm

I should clarify about earlier, I had seen articles and documentaries showing Mossad and the CIA and perhaps other intel services finding info on supposed terrorist attacks. To my recollection, I can't find any real good details on the theory, so it was just a small possibility in my mind.

Though you have to wonder, if such attacks were foreseen and to an extent that we could've stopped them yet let them go ahead, would you ever trust the gov't again?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-09-18 08:59pm

People like to believe that they are 'in'. These idiots like the idea that they know what 'really' happened, and were not fooled like us other sheep. Just think about it, how would you feel if you were one of the people who works at Groom's Lake, and you know in detail what happens over there?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-09-22 09:11am

Thanks for the response. Now all I need is a database and next time I meet some idealogicaly misled muslim youths I can defeat them using the real facts.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2003-09-22 12:35pm

Montcalm wrote:[Thread highjack on] That remind me about the Oklahoma bombing and the rumor about the CIA calling everyone of their employees,and told them to stay at home that day,anyone knows if its true or another conspiracy theorists lie. [Thread highjack off]

Umm...

You're probably thinking of the BATF, not the CIA.

AFAIK, the CIA doesn't have offices across the US.

The rumor that there were no BATF agents in the OKC federal building the day of the bombing is true. There was some kind of training seminar that day and all of the agents were either at the seminar or out on other business.

Which is ironic, because it was the BATF that McVeigh hated and blamed for Waco (along with the FBI).

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-09-22 12:38pm

Not to sound conpiracy theorist myself, but did anyone else get alarm bells in their head when the FBI found a car in the airport's carpark with a Qu'ran and an Arabic copy of How to fly a commercial airplane?

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2003-09-22 12:51pm

evilcat4000 wrote:After 911 happened a very strange rumour spread throughout the muslim
world. Even two years after the tragedy this rumour continues to persist. It
goes on like this : No jews were killed in 911 attacks so jews must have had early knowledge of it. Some even say that Jews or Israel caused the attacks to provoke America to fight the muslims.

I try to fight this rumour whenever I can but I lack evidence. Can you people help me ?

I know that the Russian Jewish community of Brighton Beach has lost several people to the WTC attacks. As such, you can tell them to STFU because there WERE Jews killed during the attack.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-22 01:00pm

innerbrat wrote:Not to sound conpiracy theorist myself, but did anyone else get alarm bells in their head when the FBI found a car in the airport's carpark with a Qu'ran and an Arabic copy of How to fly a commercial airplane?

When did that happen and whose car was it? Because on it's own there's not a hell of a lot of value to it. All that tells me is there's an Muslim that wants to learn to fly at that airport. Not in and of itself helpful.

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