Question for drivers

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-18 11:42pm

Hyperion wrote:Btw, as for weaponry in my car: my car itself and my driving skill. I drive like a maniac, usually 10-25 over limit (read: 70-85+) and always make sure I'm clear of the packs of cars, and if anyone tails, I know all the cop-traps and shortcuts, as well as places to pull cheap maneuvers like shoulder driving up the offramps and on the freeway. I also know exactly what my car can do, and what I can handle.

In other words, you're either a lying braggart or you have no comprehension of "safety factors", so you think it's wise to push your car to the limit in daily driving

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-18 11:43pm

Nathan F wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:If you worry about having to fight a street battle and equip yourself for that purpose every time you get in your car, you're definitely living in Michael Moore's "culture of fear".
So keeping a means of self defense on your person is a 'culture of fear'? I call it being prudent...

Of course you do

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-18 11:55pm

Darth Wong wrote:If you worry about having to fight a street battle and equip yourself for that purpose every time you get in your car, you're definitely living in Michael Moore's "culture of fear".

If I expected a street battle I'd plan on a long gun to punch through car bodies.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-09-18 11:57pm

Darth Wong wrote:If you worry about having to fight a street battle and equip yourself for that purpose every time you get in your car, you're definitely living in Michael Moore's "culture of fear".

What would you say to someone who actually needed a weapon?

As for myself, I carry none nor do I intend to. The gas pedal's all I need.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-19 12:00am

Uraniun235 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:If you worry about having to fight a street battle and equip yourself for that purpose every time you get in your car, you're definitely living in Michael Moore's "culture of fear".
What would you say to someone who actually needed a weapon?

As for myself, I carry none nor do I intend to. The gas pedal's all I need.

Yeah why use a weapon when you`re driving one.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-09-19 12:15am

Montcalm wrote:Yeah why use a weapon when you`re driving one.

That actually wasn't my intention.

I meant that as long as I can just hit the gas pedal, I don't have anything to worry about from someone else. If it's on the freeway where there's lots of other cars travelling at 60 MPH, I'll just put another car between us. If it's the highway, I'll just pull over. If it's a stop and he gets out, I'll just get the fuck out of there while he spends precious time getting back into his vehicle.

I would not engage in combat unless I absolutely had to, because there's just too much risk of the other guy being better than you are. (Especially since I'm utterly untrained in combat) And if he's got a gun, I'm screwed anyway, because I'd never carry a gun in my car unless I was on my way to a place where I planned on using it... and I'd certainly not keep it loaded.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-19 12:18am

On the road, certain people tend to go looking for trouble, and coincidentally enough, they tend to find it. For example, look at the people in this very thread who have bragged about deliberately blocking, inconveniencing, or even threatening the safety of other drivers in order to enforce some kind of moral code of driving conduct upon the world.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-09-19 12:28am

Like I said at first My primary defense is a totally calm mind and knowledge of just how far I can push my vehicle and my self. I have only had to deal with a road rage (ok a bunch of teenagers being very violent), I just am a very professional DEFENSIVE driver. I have been around in multi-car incidents, and pity the people who have never master the art of Speed discipline. Mostly I drive at what ever speed is comfortable and safe, but if I need to speed, or to suddenly stop I can safely!

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-09-19 12:30am

When I drive, I will be carrying a loaded gun and possibly some sort of knife.

If I drive through Philadelphia, I will be carrying two loaded guns and some sort of ballistic missile.

If I drive through Camden, I will be in a hearse.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-19 01:11am

My defense is not to pull over to settle an arguement.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-19 11:02am

Darth Wong wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:But I love pissing off bad drivers. Like when I'm driving at a proper speed in a two-way lane and somebody tries to get ahead of me (by cutting in the opposite lane) and I see that there are cars coming, I try to match speeds with the other car, even if he slows down
That's reckless endangerment, asshole. It's not up to you to singlehandedly enforce the speed limits by vigilante behaviour, or to "scare" people into obeying said limits by deliberately putting them at risk.

Danger is my business...
Anyway, that's peanuts compared to the risks you take by driving "normally".

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-09-19 02:03pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Danger is my business...
Anyway, that's peanuts compared to the risks you take by driving "normally".

Care to back that up? If some cocksucker deliberately tried to set me up for a head-on collision when I tried to pass him, I'd want to take a shot at him too. Explain to me how deliberately trapping someone in the wrong lane with traffic coming is safer than normal driving.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » 2003-09-19 03:49pm

I don't keep anything in my car for road rage protection other then a cell phone and a V-8. One to call the cops if I ever need to and the other to keep me away from the hypothetical asshole.

Though if I ever had to drive through Over The Rhine I would probably think of getting something a little more physical. But I have no plans to go through OTR.

If any of you have ever seen the movie Traffic OTR is the area that they filmed in downtown cincinnati showing where Michael Douglas's daughter went to meet her drug dealer. It's not someplace you want to go, it actually far worse then it's shown in the movie.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-19 05:24pm

Road rage? Had it happen at least 4 times already; one of the incidents involved me getting shot at. In all cases, the best thing for me to do was to put as much distance as possible between them and me, and it is something I will do if at all possible. If it comes down to me and the driver exiting the vehicles, someone is going to jail...And I will not permit that to happen if I can.

Basically, just let the other asshole go about their merry stupid way. They ususally fuck up within a mile or so. Happened every time so far (latest incident the woman nearly ran herself off the road and she ended up stuck behind a bunch of cars. Me? I maneuvered to the left lane and dropped the pedal leaving the sorry bitch in the dust

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BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-09-19 06:25pm

EmperorMing wrote:one of the incidents involved me getting shot at.

Jesus. How did that happen?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-19 06:27pm

RedImperator wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Danger is my business...
Anyway, that's peanuts compared to the risks you take by driving "normally".
Care to back that up? If some cocksucker deliberately tried to set me up for a head-on collision when I tried to pass him, I'd want to take a shot at him too. Explain to me how deliberately trapping someone in the wrong lane with traffic coming is safer than normal driving.

Normal driving is when everybody else is trying to fuck you up while you try to follow all the rules and stuff.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-19 06:31pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
EmperorMing wrote:one of the incidents involved me getting shot at.
Jesus. How did that happen?

I'm trying to get off the freeway and the other guy doesn't give a shit. The usual finger flipping by both sides, then when I get off onto the feeder, I hear pops and look to my left and one of the asshole passengers is popping rounds in my direction.

What was funny is that I had just left active service 5 weeks prior and had never been shot at while in uniform. But when I go back to Ft Livingroom, *then* I get shot at!!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-09-19 06:42pm

EmperorMing wrote: I'm trying to get off the freeway and the other guy doesn't give a shit. The usual finger flipping by both sides, then when I get off onto the feeder, I hear pops and look to my left and one of the asshole passengers is popping rounds in my direction.

What was funny is that I had just left active service 5 weeks prior and had never been shot at while in uniform. But when I go back to Ft Livingroom, *then* I get shot at!!

Shit!

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-09-19 06:48pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Normal driving is when everybody else is trying to fuck you up while you try to follow all the rules and stuff.

What planet are you from? Last I checked, normal driving was keeping up with traffic, passing people on the left, stopping at redlights, and signaling your turns.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-09-19 07:20pm

Thank you my American neighbours! Based on your tales, the only way I'm driving in your cities is with an M1A2 SEP.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-19 07:27pm

RedImperator wrote: What planet are you from? Last I checked, normal driving was keeping up with traffic, passing people on the left

Huh?

stopping at redlights

Double-huh?

and signaling your turns.

Triple-huh? Nobody does neither of those here. I try to do it most of the time, but I'm probably the exception, only one in about ten vehicles seem to do any of these, and public transportation is the worst offender.

Normal driving (as in, non-aggressive driving) is when hunch forward while grabbing the wheel tightly, looking nervously at the mirrors, knowing that all the other drivers can smell your fear and try to do something extremely dangerous like cutting right in front of you and stopping suddenly to pick up passengers. I'd rather not be one of those... not an asshole either, only try to annoy other assholes.

I know it's not my job to be a "vigilante" driver, but honestly everyone has too much free reign on breaking the rules of good driving behavior and the cop pigs are too busy roughing up and stopping the expensive looking car for "donations" and changing the speed limits overnight on certain roads so they can hide and stop "violators" and collect some money for the city.

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-09-19 07:34pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
RedImperator wrote: What planet are you from? Last I checked, normal driving was keeping up with traffic, passing people on the left
Huh?
stopping at redlights
Double-huh?
and signaling your turns.
Triple-huh? Nobody does neither of those here. I try to do it most of the time, but I'm probably the exception, only one in about ten vehicles seem to do any of these, and public transportation is the worst offender.

Normal driving (as in, non-aggressive driving) is when hunch forward while grabbing the wheel tightly, looking nervously at the mirrors, knowing that all the other drivers can smell your fear and try to do something extremely dangerous like cutting right in front of you and stopping suddenly to pick up passengers. I'd rather not be one of those... not an asshole either, only try to annoy other assholes.

I know it's not my job to be a "vigilante" driver, but honestly everyone has too much free reign on breaking the rules of good driving behavior and the cop pigs are too busy roughing up and stopping the expensive looking car for "donations" and changing the speed limits overnight on certain roads so they can hide and stop "violators" and collect some money for the city.

Where the hell do you live? I need to make sure I never go there.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2003-09-19 09:32pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Hyperion wrote:Btw, as for weaponry in my car: my car itself and my driving skill. I drive like a maniac, usually 10-25 over limit (read: 70-85+) and always make sure I'm clear of the packs of cars, and if anyone tails, I know all the cop-traps and shortcuts, as well as places to pull cheap maneuvers like shoulder driving up the offramps and on the freeway. I also know exactly what my car can do, and what I can handle.
In other words, you're either a lying braggart or you have no comprehension of "safety factors", so you think it's wise to push your car to the limit in daily driving

The best defense is a solid offense. In short I am neither bragging or pushing the limits of my car. I make sure I leave a few notches between what I am doing and what the limits of my car or myself are.

And yes, I take great pleasure in insiting road rage in others, it gets all too amusing watching the local Mexican and ricer populations going at each other down the road because I tweeked one and that one proceeded to tweek the other while trying to get back at me.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-09-20 12:02am

Luke Starkiller wrote:Where the hell do you live? I need to make sure I never go there.

You better make sure you never leave the safety of your home, instead

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-09-20 12:04am

Slartibartfast, I don't know where you live, but wherever it is is FUCKED UP SEVERELY. "Normal" driving where you live is "fucking insane" just about everywhere else.

Normal driving in civilized areas is fucking obeying the rules of the road, not trying to kill everyone else around you.