GameSpy is utterly retarded

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-21 09:00pm

Here they rate the 25 most overrated games of all time.

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/septemb ... overrated/

Some of these are just easy targets (who the fuck every considered Daikatana a good game?), but many of them are just moronic. I mean, Quake II? Halo? Donkey Kong Country? FINAL FANTASY VII? I'm sure they're convinced that they're being edgy, controversial, and slaughtering sacred cows, but the fact that they have the gall to call Quake II and Final Fantasy VII overrated just makes them dumbasses who don't know a fucking thing about videogaming.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-09-21 09:04pm

DKC is t3h r0x0rs!! Those dumbasses...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-09-21 09:22pm

GameSpy is retarded, overproduced media? SHOCKING!

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-09-21 09:27pm

Durran Korr wrote:Here they rate the 25 most overrated games of all time.

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/septemb ... overrated/

Some of these are just easy targets (who the fuck every considered Daikatana a good game?), but many of them are just moronic. I mean, Quake II? Halo? Donkey Kong Country? FINAL FANTASY VII? I'm sure they're convinced that they're being edgy, controversial, and slaughtering sacred cows, but the fact that they have the gall to call Quake II and Final Fantasy VII overrated just makes them dumbasses who don't know a fucking thing about videogaming.

Here's the problem: You're equating "overhyped" with "bad". This is not the case. Overhyped is just that, overhyped. It just means that the game itself could not live up to the tremendous hype or praise it got, for whatever reason. Good games can be overhyped but still really good. Personally, I would have added Warcraft 3 to the list somewhere. Halo was overhyped: it was promised as the second coming of first person shooters. Instead it was several years late and hardly a revolution in FPS gaming.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-21 09:54pm

Not all of those games were overrated, though. DKC still rocks!

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-09-21 10:05pm

I think Quake 2 was overhyped. When it shipped early for Christmas with no multi-player I felt the game was lacking. It also did not every achieve the level of mod support Quake 1 did. Dont get me wrong, it was fun just over hyped.

By the time Dungeon Siege came out, I had long let my subscriptions to magazines like PC Gamer and CGW expire. So I was not pulled in by and hype and was not disappointed when I got a 3D Diablo game. It was fun for what it was and very impressive on the visual scale.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-09-21 10:28pm

Did you also happen to ignore the legend, they say if it was done before only better, over praised by the critics, completely couldn't live up to the years of hype and just utter crap.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-09-21 10:52pm

Some I agree with like Lara Croft and the Getaway but some they are just pulling out their ass.(Yes, because FF7 was advertised it's overhyped...and because we have rabid fanboys=overhyped

...fucking morons)

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-09-21 10:58pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Some I agree with like Lara Croft and the Getaway but some they are just pulling out their ass.(Yes, because FF7 was advertised it's overhyped...and because we have rabid fanboys=overhyped ...fucking morons)

FF7 was criticized for:

Overpraised: Critics try to be objective, but sometimes high-profile games are lavished with undeserved praise. Yep, a few of GameSpy's own blunders are listed here as well.

Done Better Before: Exactly how many futuristic first-person shooters need to be made? Games to earn this stamp are rehashes of ideas that have been done better before...

Glad to see you read the article, though.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-09-21 11:05pm

Hotfoot wrote:FF7 was criticized for:

Overpraised: Critics try to be objective, but sometimes high-profile games are lavished with undeserved praise. Yep, a few of GameSpy's own blunders are listed here as well.

This game was rated higher than it should have been.

Done Better Before: Exactly how many futuristic first-person shooters need to be made? Games to earn this stamp are rehashes of ideas that have been done better before.

FF 5/6

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-09-21 11:07pm

I actually agree with most of their picks(Partly because I know something can be overrated without being bad). FF7 was(and by some, still is), badly overrated. While the story was a wonderful mix of traditional FF(Steampunk fantasy) and the new hope Square seemed to have(Futuristic settings), the actual gameplay and graphics took serious hits. While people will chant about how cutting edge the graphics were for the time, the fact remained that FF6's well made sprites showed more emotion and were easier to empathize with than the freakish chibis. The party, while it looked much better than even FF6's, in combat, was still 3 people. 3. In previous games, we'd seen far more in combat. But we got 3 instead. Sigh. While none of this makes FF7 a bad game, it was hyped beyond belief and is overrated. And, apparently, a sacred cow.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-09-21 11:18pm

The only problem I have with screaming overrated is because they are literally appealing to a crowd.

Saying FF7 now is overrated is nowhere near say screaming that when it came out(and when it came out I devoured it and was left unsatisfied in comparison to FF6 which still is my fave FF next to FFT)

Most of their overrated/overhyped is going by and saying it isn't worth on the look back...and honestly...you can do this with 99% of the games out there.

Stuff like Angel of Darkness I agree because it's a current release and it blows...horribly. But going back and go "Y'know FF7 isn't as good as I originally thought it to be 5 years ago" is saying "Y'know the Ford Probe isn't as good as I thought it was 5 years ago."

So why didn't they say this when it came out or anywhere near that time?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-21 11:22pm

IMHO, Daikatana should have been higher on the list. Not only was that damn game praised to high heaven, but the utter fiasco of that game sent shockwaves through the industry - taking out - among other things - Looking Glass.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-09-21 11:24pm

phongn wrote:IMHO, Daikatana should have been higher on the list. Not only was that damn game praised to high heaven, but the utter fiasco of that game sent shockwaves through the industry - taking out - among other things - Looking Glass.

DAIKATANA KILLED LOOKING GLASS!!?! How?

John Romero needs to burn for this...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-09-21 11:25pm

phongn wrote:IMHO, Daikatana should have been higher on the list. Not only was that damn game praised to high heaven, but the utter fiasco of that game sent shockwaves through the industry - taking out - among other things - Looking Glass.

Hell it should've been number one considering what it is.

No other game came close to the level of marketing frenzy that game generated for no other reason then the people behind it.

Lara Croft: Angel of Darkness almost made it but honestly was killed because let's face it...after 4 itenerations of her jumping and pushing and it being the same thing over and over...did anyone really think number 5 was going to be any different?

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-09-21 11:26pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Did you also happen to ignore the legend, they say if it was done before only better, over praised by the critics, completely couldn't live up to the years of hype and just utter crap.

What game are talking about and which of us are you refering to? Sorry, but Im confused.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-21 11:46pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
phongn wrote:IMHO, Daikatana should have been higher on the list. Not only was that damn game praised to high heaven, but the utter fiasco of that game sent shockwaves through the industry - taking out - among other things - Looking Glass.
DAIKATANA KILLED LOOKING GLASS!!?! How?

John Romero needs to burn for this...

Eidos sunk so much damn money into ION Storm that when Daikatana failed to meet any sort of revenue expectations their creditors refused to send more cash their way. $44 million had been sunk into ION Storm before Daikatana was even released.

As a result, Looking Glass - then owned by Eidos - was terminated since no additional funding for continued operation could be secured.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-21 11:51pm

SirNitram wrote:I actually agree with most of their picks(Partly because I know something can be overrated without being bad). FF7 was(and by some, still is), badly overrated. While the story was a wonderful mix of traditional FF(Steampunk fantasy) and the new hope Square seemed to have(Futuristic settings), the actual gameplay and graphics took serious hits.

You can complain about the gameplay (I'll disagree with you still, but go ahead), but the visuals? No way. Final Fantasy VII was the most visually gorgeous game ever released at its time by a pretty long shot. It's true that the character models outside of battle left something to be desired, but the battles looked absolutely beautiful, both qualitatively and quantitatively (hundreds of different models, all well-animated and unique), the pre-rendered backgrounds looked so good that I often had to just put down the controller and take in the beauty, and the FMV movies were revolutionary and speak for themselves.

The party, while it looked much better than even FF6's, in combat, was still 3 people. 3. In previous games, we'd seen far more in combat. But we got 3 instead. Sigh.

Absolutely irrelevant. Chrono Trigger, the Seiken Densetsu series, and Final Fantasy X all featured 3-character battles and had wonderful combat systems. How is it that having one more character on the field significantly the quality and enjoyability of a combat system?

While none of this makes FF7 a bad game, it was hyped beyond belief and is overrated. And, apparently, a sacred cow.

Damn right it's a sacred cow, and justifiably so. It brought RPGs to the mainstream in a big way and made story-driven gameplay king throughout many genres. It's the catalyst for the modern gaming market. It may not be the best example of its genre, but it's the most important one, by far.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-09-21 11:58pm

Durran Korr wrote:
SirNitram wrote:I actually agree with most of their picks(Partly because I know something can be overrated without being bad). FF7 was(and by some, still is), badly overrated. While the story was a wonderful mix of traditional FF(Steampunk fantasy) and the new hope Square seemed to have(Futuristic settings), the actual gameplay and graphics took serious hits.
You can complain about the gameplay (I'll disagree with you still, but go ahead), but the visuals? No way. Final Fantasy VII was the most visually gorgeous game ever released at its time by a pretty long shot. It's true that the character models outside of battle left something to be desired, but the battles looked absolutely beautiful, both qualitatively and quantitatively (hundreds of different models, all well-animated and unique), the pre-rendered backgrounds looked so good that I often had to just put down the controller and take in the beauty, and the FMV movies were revolutionary and speak for themselves.

Of course I will concede the FMV's. But the chibis were freakish. And horrible. Using the sprites from FF6 would have been a leap forward. The obsession with '3D! 3D RPG!' when it actually was inferior to FF6 in the gameplay, plot, and 'map graphics' section is an insult to a far superior game.

The party, while it looked much better than even FF6's, in combat, was still 3 people. 3. In previous games, we'd seen far more in combat. But we got 3 instead. Sigh.
Absolutely irrelevant. Chrono Trigger, the Seiken Densetsu series, and Final Fantasy X all featured 3-character battles and had wonderful combat systems. How is it that having one more character on the field significantly the quality and enjoyability of a combat system?

Chrono Trigger added the all-important Dual Tech/Triple Tech to the mix, excusing the limited options of a 3 person party for extra options. The Secret Of Mana Series I haven't played, except(Of course) for SoM, and it is not the same breed as FF.

While none of this makes FF7 a bad game, it was hyped beyond belief and is overrated. And, apparently, a sacred cow.
Damn right it's a sacred cow, and justifiably so. It brought RPGs to the mainstream in a big way and made story-driven gameplay king throughout many genres. It's the catalyst for the modern gaming market. It may not be the best example of its genre, but it's the most important one, by far.

Because it was overhyped, retard. Being hyped to the point where it's more seen than a vastly more deserving game(FF6) is the definition of overhyped. It's only important because it was overhyped.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-09-22 12:18am

Of course I will concede the FMV's. But the chibis were freakish. And horrible. Using the sprites from FF6 would have been a leap forward. The obsession with '3D! 3D RPG!' when it actually was inferior to FF6 in the gameplay, plot, and 'map graphics' section is an insult to a far superior game.

You've got to be kidding. FFVI's map graphics were in no way superior to FFVII's. FFVII's chibis may have been underwhelming, but the battle models were not and the liveliness of FFVII's battle visuals compares extremely favorably with the dull, static visuals of FFVI's battles (except for a few special battles). FFVI's combat system was a step down from FFV's. The plot was top notch, and as good as or better than FFVII's, I will agree.

Chrono Trigger added the all-important Dual Tech/Triple Tech to the mix, excusing the limited options of a 3 person party for extra options. The Secret Of Mana Series I haven't played, except(Of course) for SoM, and it is not the same breed as FF.

What "extra" options? Name one disadvantage that is inherent to a 3 character battle system.

Because it was overhyped, retard. Being hyped to the point where it's more seen than a vastly more deserving game(FF6) is the definition of overhyped. It's only important because it was overhyped.

No, no way. Hype alone does not raise a game to that elusive level of significance attained by FFVII (see Daikatana). FFVII is important because it raised standards across the industry, ensnared an entirely new generation of RPG fans in the States, and completely blew away anything Square's competitors could throw at it for years to come (Grandia? Please.). FFVI did not; it was a wonderful game in its own right, but it achieved nowhere near the level of importance that FFVII did in Japan or in the U.S., it did not leave its competitors behind in the dust (see Star Ocean), and it did not break into the mainstream stateside the way FFVII did.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-09-22 12:50am

Durran Korr wrote:
Of course I will concede the FMV's. But the chibis were freakish. And horrible. Using the sprites from FF6 would have been a leap forward. The obsession with '3D! 3D RPG!' when it actually was inferior to FF6 in the gameplay, plot, and 'map graphics' section is an insult to a far superior game.
You've got to be kidding. FFVI's map graphics were in no way superior to FFVII's. FFVII's chibis may have been underwhelming, but the battle models were not and the liveliness of FFVII's battle visuals compares extremely favorably with the dull, static visuals of FFVI's battles (except for a few special battles). FFVI's combat system was a step down from FFV's. The plot was top notch, and as good as or better than FFVII's, I will agree.

What sort of idiot says 'map graphics are superior', then immediate cites the battle graphics?

Chrono Trigger added the all-important Dual Tech/Triple Tech to the mix, excusing the limited options of a 3 person party for extra options. The Secret Of Mana Series I haven't played, except(Of course) for SoM, and it is not the same breed as FF.
What "extra" options? Name one disadvantage that is inherent to a 3 character battle system.

Having one less character with their own combination of strengths, weaknesses, and special abilities.

Oh wait. The FF7 characters had so little variation between them, that there was no loss there. My bad.

Because it was overhyped, retard. Being hyped to the point where it's more seen than a vastly more deserving game(FF6) is the definition of overhyped. It's only important because it was overhyped.
No, no way. Hype alone does not raise a game to that elusive level of significance attained by FFVII (see Daikatana). FFVII is important because it raised standards across the industry, ensnared an entirely new generation of RPG fans in the States, and completely blew away anything Square's competitors could throw at it for years to come (Grandia? Please.). FFVI did not; it was a wonderful game in its own right, but it achieved nowhere near the level of importance that FFVII did in Japan or in the U.S., it did not leave its competitors behind in the dust (see Star Ocean), and it did not break into the mainstream stateside the way FFVII did.

Wank wank wank wank. What the fuck did FF7 do that was special? Don't give me '3D graphics'. Graphics are big and important for shooters and platformers, they do not revolutionize RPG's. It's magic system was different but nothing exceptional(Seen by the fact it was dropped in favor of things closer to Espers and Jobs in IX and X). It's combat system was new only in that the enemies had animations.. But we'd seen that before, in CT. Story-wise it was a bit of a jumble.

And you cite 'breaking into the mainstream'. How cute. You act like something that gets hyped until it's mainstream isn't being hyped.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-09-22 12:53am

Did no one see Penny Arcade's on this?

Gamespy has their latest adorable attempt at relevance up, a list of the 25 most overrated games of all time. You can go look at it if you want, I'm certainly not putting a link to it here - suffice it to say, where it is obvious it is obvious, and where they attempt to be brash and iconoclastic it's just insulting. We've done a comic on it, I'll take it frame by frame it.

Panel One: Trying to understand the feature itself is a chore, because they have four separate classifications for Overrated-ness, and some games fall into more than one category. Some games are overrated by Critics, some games are not as good as earlier ones in a series, and some are both - but whether or not earlier games in a series were simply "Overrated By Critics" might be difficult to ascertain. While I do enjoy a bit of bracing mental exercise, the content on Gamespy isn't exactly a fucking brain Nautilus.

Panel Two: Years ago, when I was playing a lot of Front Line Force, I really appreciated Gamespy Arcade's buddy lists and invigorating interstitial ads. However, I think the period of time where such an application was required or even desirable has past. Server Browsers, that's one thing - a nice, lightweight affair like All Seeing Eye is still within the realm of sanity. Most browsers internal to games are acceptable, and Gamespy licensed backends are perfectly serviceable when inbuilt. But the universe where I utilize their heavily branded portal to browse for games seems very distant.

Panel Three: Everyone likes to have fun. I'm having fun right now! So I don't mind them having a little bit of fun with their list. But when you feign ignorance or discard historical perspective so you can look fancy, I don't have to tolerate your stupid ass anymore. When you deny the profound effect of Donkey Kong Country's fully rendered sprites in 1994, making the system a bulwark against the 32-bit revolution, there is no educating you. When you are seemingly unaware of the dramatic progress in both modeling and Internet play that Quake II was, and when you start to talk some shit about Final Fantasy VII - the game that absolutely pierced the mainstream and deposited the notion of gaming into a new generation - we've got nothing to discuss. You're assholes or retards, and I don't care which.

You really have to go out of your way to make me mad these days, because I'm playing the great games of today that GameSpy or its vacuous future variant will one day overrate, only to lament the fact in some empty expose - without so much as a nod to what the games meant to the period, the system, or indeed to the history of our preferred entertainment medium. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, a highly amusing marvel of affectionate production, will no doubt be relegated to whatever bin their hideous cyborg interns reserve for games they suddenly revile.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-09-22 01:03am

Yeah...and agreed with the basic sentiment of a bunch of people who hype games talking about overhyping.

A few they were right , but some of their articles amounted to..."Now that I look back..."

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-09-22 01:32am

Since when does "overrated" and "overhyped" mean the same thing?

The list is for one or the other, but can't be for both.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-09-22 01:58am

They call QuakeII overrated and then praise Quake. Yeeeeeeaaaah. The one trick pony rocket whores just couldn't adjust to QuakeII's flow.

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