Needed: Someone's legs broken in California (or advice)

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 11:14am

Ok....recently, I bought this over ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3045486563

Guy says:

Quantity:
23 available

And so I finally get a message via E-Mail:

Dear Ryan Crierie,

We have received the Paypal Payment you made last September 15, 2003
for a SONY CLIE PEG-SJ20 PDA.

Unfortunately, the last pice intended for you was damaged during
shipping and it is not anymore in good condition to send to you.

Since this has dragged for days already, we would like to offer you a
higher version of this PDA as a replacement for your order, A SONY
CLIE PEG-S360 instead. This is a higher version but we will give you
this the same price.

Please email us back for your confirmation or call us at 1 800 441
5638.

Thank you very much

My reply to this fucknut:

Unfortunately, the last pice intended for you was damaged during
shipping and it is not anymore in good condition to send to you.

Your listing said you had 23 SJ-20s being sold at the same time, so how is
it that all of them are damaged?

A SONY
CLIE PEG-S360 instead. This is a higher version but we will give you
this the same price.

No it isn't, it has a lower resolution than the SJ-20.

I want a reasonable explanation for this mess.

Fortunately, I paid using a credit card via PayPal, so if all else comes to worse, I can tell the Credit Card Company not to pay...

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-09-24 11:20am

Do the latter.

It sounds like (bieng very lenient here

) that you were 23rd in a queue.

Just don't pay.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 11:25am

innerbrat wrote: It sounds like (bieng very lenient here ) that you were 23rd in a queue.

No, when I ordered it said there were 24 left. After I ordered it, it said
23.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-09-24 11:26am

Bollocks to him, then. Don't pay. Leave an evil message on his feedback screen.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-09-24 11:43am

Dude, the 360 is a discontinued model. They're trying to unload old stock on you, I bet they still have those SJ20's.

EDIT: My advice is to cancel your order and get your SJ20 somewhere else. Why do business with a crook?

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-09-24 11:46am

Report him to eBay.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 12:02pm

BoredShirtless wrote:Dude, the 360 is a discontinued model. They're trying to unload old stock on you, I bet they still have those SJ20's.

the SJ20 is a discontinued model too, but is still fucking nice...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 12:05pm

Dalton wrote:Report him to eBay.

I will...but first I have to follow the procedures for fraud reportage:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/fp ... K:SRVC:030

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-09-24 12:06pm

MKSheppard wrote:the SJ20 is a discontinued model too, but is still fucking nice...

According to Sony's website it isn't: http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/mi ... mpact.html

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 12:07pm

BoredShirtless wrote: According to Sony's website it isn't:

Well, when I tried to buy it at best Buy, they said it was discontinued and
wouldn't give me it.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-09-24 12:11pm

tell him to send you the item you bid on(undamaged) and if he does not then leave him negative feedback.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-09-24 12:16pm

MKSheppard wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: According to Sony's website it isn't:
Well, when I tried to buy it at best Buy, they said it was discontinued and
wouldn't give me it.

If that's a retail store, let me tell you something. Sales assisstants know jackshit. Research before you shop.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-09-24 12:23pm

yeh, sales assistant get told jack shit... especially weekend staff, i never have a clue when deliveries are coming in or what stock has been discontinued, so i have to come up with all sorts of bull shit like, wednesday in a couple of weeks.. but i can't guarantee we'll get this in...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-09-24 12:32pm

cute fucking cavet empore shit head...

funny the same thing happened to my mom 3 years ago using Amazon...

---edit---

same fucker, my mom tried to purchase a PDA using Amazon's old auction service, got a refurbished POS that didn't work right....

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 12:37pm

Amabod Simtabob somefink?

That seals it, I'm telling him to screw off.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-24 01:01pm

Go through the proper channels and make sure he never gets your money. Raise hell over interstate fraud if you have to.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 01:08pm

phongn wrote:Go through the proper channels and make sure he never gets your money. Raise hell over interstate fraud if you have to.

I'll indeedy do that, but this is my first time at having to deal with
scumbags like this.

Do I call my credit card company to cancel the charges?

And if he keeps persisting, do I go to my police department to file
a fraud charge?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-24 01:14pm

MKSheppard wrote:
phongn wrote:Go through the proper channels and make sure he never gets your money. Raise hell over interstate fraud if you have to.
I'll indeedy do that, but this is my first time at having to deal with
scumbags like this.

Do I call my credit card company to cancel the charges?

And if he keeps persisting, do I go to my police department to file
a fraud charge?

I'd call your credit card company and stop payment as well as notify Ebay.

If it comes to it, file the fraud charges.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 01:26pm

Stormbringer wrote: I'd call your credit card company and stop payment as well as notify Ebay.

I called my CC company just now, and they say they can't dispute it until
it appears on my next monthly billing statement...starting on ebay now.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-09-24 02:13pm

Ok, talking to mark about it, and someone wondering why the disparaging in quality I need to remind you that the Refurbishing and Wholeselling business in entirely driven by Federal Income Taxes.

The best <only> times to buy are January and July (they are actively trying to sell their better stuff, and not yet ready to dump it into the "Undermarket". Right now, even though they are going to have to pay quarterly inventory taxes is a BAD time to buy goods, they are hoarding for the Christmas rush.

Basically it works like this Coperations order millions more then they will ever sell, just so that they can have lot's of spare should something go wrong, and because of the labour contracts from the factories thye import from. The name brand product and the clone are all built in the same factory it's just a question of quality control.

Come time for the corperation to pay their quarterly inventory taxes they declare a certain percentage discontinued/lost and ship them to the whole saler distributers & refurbishers. The first tier is the Best Buy/Radio Shack/Circuit City types. Circuit City & Radio Shack usually avoids the Federal inventory taxes by keeping most of their property in Mexico, right next to the Texas border. The California con is to declare them "Junked" they sit in a warehouse in Oakland, being classified as junk often the cases will be defaced with a machine tool as a justification for their damage and tax write off status. A refurbisher then buys brand new cases, and puts the componets into them and resells them. Whole saleers do the Swap/Ebay circuit but are operating out of the same warehouse as the refurbisher. Since the refurbisher needs frequent spare parts.... Well you can see what happens

Moral: Buy in January/July or buy from Texas and pick up the same part it's just been sitting in Mexico so it doesn't have to pay US inventory tax....

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-09-24 03:13pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: I'd call your credit card company and stop payment as well as notify Ebay.
I called my CC company just now, and they say they can't dispute it until
it appears on my next monthly billing statement...starting on ebay now.

Hang the fucker isn't it 5-10 for fraud

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-09-24 03:22pm

Did you talk to a customer representative at the CC company or a supervisor? If it was one of the grunts, call back and talk to a supervisor, and explain the case to them. Supervisors are there to keep unhappy customers with the company, after all: they might be able to do something for you.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-09-24 04:33pm

While it *is* possible that the one they were going to send you got damaged....

Sounds more like "Bait and Switch". You offer something for a really good price and when the person puts their money down, you suddenly make up a lame excuse for not having the item available. You then: offer them "something better" (in reality cheaper) or offer to sell them something similar but ask for more money.

Sounds like a scam: stop payment, then inform them of the stopped payment, then inform ebay.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-09-24 04:42pm

Yeah it's a common problem, I really hate it when the credit cards refuse to cancel the payment....

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