corporate sector

[Enforcer Talen]

does it appear during the empire, or earlier?

[consequences]

Palpatine authorised its creation IIRC, so empire period.

[CmdrWilkens]

From SW.com:

"In a bold experiment meant to free the Republic lawmakers and Corporate moneymakers from their differences, a free-enterprise fiefdom of space was carved out bordering the Aparo and Wyl sectors. This became the Corporate Sector, a section of space governed not by the Republic or the Empire that followed, but instead run by big business."


The Corporate Sector was created some time during the Old Republic. However as I've said elsehwere I recall mention of some sort of Imperial authorization. This would make it from one of the Empires constituting the Old Republic in older days (Sith War type old).

[Enforcer Talen]

good -nods- -continues plot for rpg-

[Illuminatus Primus]

This would make it from one of the Empires constituting the Old Republic in older days (Sith War type old).

You are in error.

The Corporate Sector exists in the pre-Empire era. The Corporate Sector Authority does not, and being chartered by Emperor Palpatine, it can only exist in the Imperial era.

In a bold experiment meant to free the Republic lawmakers and Corporate moneymakers from their differences, a free-enterprise fiefdom of space was carved out bordering the Aparo and Wyl sectors. This became the Corporate Sector, a section of space governed not by the Republic or the Empire that followed, but instead run by big business.

At its start, the Corporate Sector encompassed only several hundred systems, carefully chosen by the Republic for their lack of native, sentient life. But as the profits began to swell, so did the territory. By the time of the Empire, the Corporate Sector ballooned to include nearly 30,000 stars. According to official documentation, none of these worlds contained any sentient life, but in truth, eleven species were discovered, though this fact was expunged from all records.

The government of the Corporate Sector is the Corporate Sector Authority (CSA), a private corporation in its own right forged by the industrious Baron Tagge. The CSA was granted a charter by the Empire to control that portion of the galaxy. During the height of Palpatine's draconian rule, the CSA was afforded autonomy due to the huge amounts of profits that it funneled into the New Order's coffers. Within its borders, the CSA was hardly better a ruler than the Empire, though many sought refuge there from the Galactic Civil War. (emphasis added)

The territory was clearly cut-out by Republic lawmakers during the Republic's decline and made into the Corporate Sector, a kind of free-trade regulationless zone. The Corporate Sector Authority, the autonomous body which rules the Corporate Sector in the Imperial era, is chartered by the Emperor Palpatine, and created during the Imperial era.

[CmdrWilkens]

This would make it from one of the Empires constituting the Old Republic in older days (Sith War type old).

You are in error.

No I'm not, the question asked when the Corporate Sector appeared, NOT the CSA. Reread the first post.

[Illuminatus Primus]

This would make it from one of the Empires constituting the Old Republic in older days (Sith War type old).

You are in error.

No I'm not, the question asked when the Corporate Sector appeared, NOT the CSA. Reread the first post.

No, you are in error, if you read my post the quote of your post held in contention is

This would make it from one of the Empires constituting the Old Republic in older days (Sith War type old).

Which IS A FALSEHOOD (you were justifying this from "Imperial authorization, which directly refers to the CSA Charter UNDER PALPATINE). Thusly you were in error.

There is precisely nothing to indicate anything with the ancient Republic, particularly since the Corporate Sector was founded in response to Republican corruption and decline, which is the provocator of the Prequel Era events, and vastly postdates the Sith Wars and other important historical events from the Ancient Republic.

[Publius]

The Corporate Sector itself was established "several centuries before the current era", according to the Han Solo and the Corporate Sector Sourcebook (Mr. Michael A. Horne, 1993); a more concrete date is offered by The New Essential Guide to Characters (Mr. Daniel E. Wallace, 2002), which gives the date "490 B.B.Y.", i.e., 468 – 480 years before the establishment of the Galactic Empire. Although it is reportedly mentioned in stock exchange background chatter in an audio adaptation of the Tales of the Jedi series, this is incompatible with the more recent evidence, and should therefore be understood as "the corporate sector" rather than "the Corporate Sector".

According to Mr. Horne's work, the Galactic Republic's original experiment in corporate-controlled space was the Expansion Region; unscrupulous and unethical business tactics, such as subsistence wages, planetary and systemic strip mining, &c., &c., led to civil unrest and disturbances, prompting the Senate to take direct control and heavily regulate or evict the corporate interests.

As a peace offering, the Corporate Sector "was established in a far-flung and minimally explored corner of the galaxy", which "encompassed several hundred systems, all of them devoid of sapient life". The corporations were permitted by law to lease or buy star systems, ostensibly free to "develop those systems as they saw fit". Tax rates were relatively low, and a general tax was paid directly to the Republican exchequer.

Nevertheless, the Corporate Sector was not laissez faire, as the Expansion Region had been; "the Republic took a much more active role" and "placed itself squarely between the companies and their workers". A Sector Group was deployed in the Sector, to protect "the civil rights and freedoms of those who chose to work and live" there, and "to make sure that the systems were responsibly managed"; despite the ostensible developmental freedom, the corporations were expected "to operate in such a manner as to preserve the basic integrity of each world's natural ecosphere".

Among the corporations stated by Mr. Horne to have invested in the original Corporate Sector were the Tagge Company, Cybot Galactica, Merr-Sonn Mil/Sci, and Bank of the Core.

As for the modern Corporate Sector, it was the product of an ambitioius plan created by Orman, Baron Tagge, an influential figure at court. He and the other leaders of the Galactic Corporate Policy League proposed a plan to reconstitute and expand the Corporate Sector, which would involve it being "expanded to include nearly 30,000 unclaimed stars". The new Corporate Sector is considerably larger than the old, Republican version.

Furthermore, the Lord Tagge proposed the incorporation of the Corporate Sector Authority, a single corporation to act as "sole owner, employer, government, and military of the region". The CSA would buy all existing corporate facilities in the Sector, and oversee all future developments; the shareholders would be the existing Sector investors and members of the GCPL, as well as any other corporation which might wish to purchase stock shares.

Mr. Horne's text is quite clear that the CSA is an entirely new idea, without precedent in the previous version of the Corporate Sector. The new Corporate Sector would be quite different from the old in terms both of constitution and of territory, a fundamentally different entity. The reconstitution of the Corporate Sector, and the chartering of the Corporate Sector Authority, were personally approved by the Galactic Emperor himself.

PUBLIUS

[CmdrWilkens]

Illuminatus:

There was a disconect here because what I recalled was Han describing how the Corporate Sector was formed by decree of some sort (the division of those sectors which comprised the initial corporate sector). I was nto refering to the Corporate Sector having an GE charter as I recognize that the GE recognized the reconsituted CSA with a charter. I was trying to recall the original formation and its exact origins.

[CmdrWilkens]

Publius:

The only problem I have here is that:

1) SW.com states, rather explicitly, that the Corporate Sector was not governed by the Republic.
2) SW.com also seems to infer that the size of 30,000 stars was reached before the Imperial charter.

Now as to the first I simply believe that the old CS acted much like the CSA under the Empire. That is they were required to obey the laws of the parent government but were given free reign within the limits of those protections. The only significant change seems to be that the CS gained its own military when the CSA was incorporated.

[Publius]

1) SW.com states, rather explicitly, that the Corporate Sector was not governed by the Republic.

The Databank is incorrect. The Han Solo and the Corporate Sector Sourcebook is very clear that the Republic exercised authority over the Corporate Sector in a direct fashion, providing security and police forces and regulating business practices. This is precisely why the proposed autonomy of the Corporate Sector Authority was such a fundamental change in policy.

In particular, Ch. Two has this to say:

In the Corporate Sector, the Republic took a much more active role than in the Expansion Region. The Republic placed itself squarely between the companies and their workers. A full naval sector group was deployed to the Corporate Sector with a dual purpose. The primary concern was protecting the civil rights and freedoms of those who chose to work and live in the Sector. The secondary concern was to make sure that the systems were responsibly managed: companies were not allowed to destroy entire planets for a few extra credits. The companies would have to operate in such a manner as to preserve the basic integrity of each world's natural ecosphere.

The Databank appears to have confused the Corporate Sector with the Expansion Region, which was the original experiment in a corporatist territory, and was ruled directly by the corporations investing therein. The corruption and unethical conduct of business in the Expansion Region is what prompted the Republic to establish the Corporate Sector; why would the Republic create a facsimile of the Expansion Region as an attempt to correct the errors and excesses thereof?

2) SW.com also seems to infer that the size of 30,000 stars was reached before the Imperial charter.

Again, the Databank is incorrect. The Corporate Sector comprehended only several hundreds of systems; its expansion to comprehend 30,000 was one of the proposals of the Galactic Corporate Policy League approved by the Galactic Emperor. By logical necessity, that expansion cannot predate the Empire.

Now as to the first I simply believe that the old CS acted much like the CSA under the Empire. That is they were required to obey the laws of the parent government but were given free reign within the limits of those protections. The only significant change seems to be that the CS gained its own military when the CSA was incorporated.

The Han Solo and the Corporate Sector Sourcebook is quite clear on the matter; the CSA is a revolutionary development in Corporate Sector policy. Imprimis, the old Corporate Sector was simply a territory in space whose systems were leased or sold to various individual investors (e.g., TaggeCo., Cybot Galactica, Merr-Sonn, Bank of the Core); the CSA is a monopoly which governs exclusively all territory and owns and operates all ventures of any kind whatever within the new Corporate Sector. That is a radical constitutional change, and renders impossible your view.

In the second place, general taxes were paid to the Republican Government by the investors, and there were laws regulating business throughout the Sector (most notably the labour's rights and environmental protection statutes assiduously enforced by the Republican security forces). In contrast, the CSA's sponsors paid no taxes of any kind whatever on profits and materials; the CSA had merely to pay an annual tribute directly to the HIM Treasury.

Furthermore, the CSA was the "sole owner, employer, government and military" of the entire Sector; there were no laws except those passed by the CSA itself. It was not merely an autonomous province of the Empire, but a client state: an independent polity subject to the Empire but not to Imperial law; it was to "maintain order, run the business operations, research and develop new products, and promote the sale of goods in the Sector without outside interference".

PUBLIUS

[CmdrWilkens]

Publius, instead of jumping back and forth to two threads where weare both saying the same thing I'd rather just work on the Palp Plan B thread if you don't mind. If you wish to continue debating on both threads then i will comply.

[Joe]

The CS is actually a bit like the British East India Company. Maybe that was the intent.