Thermite grenades?

Alnilam · Post by **Alnilam** » 2003-09-24 12:30pm

I must admit I didn't know where it could fit this,so I prefered to include it here:how do work thermite grenades? (if they exist and aren't the invention of a friend).
Regards

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-09-24 12:38pm

They exist. I have a couple strapped to my hard drive in case
the Black Helicopters come whop whopping around

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-24 12:59pm

You'd be amazed how much information can be recovered from a blasted HD...

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-09-24 01:00pm

Thermite is bad freaking juju, as I recall. one or two are standard issue in combat...not to kill people, per se, but to destroy equipment. like, if you're about to be overrun, you use it to destroy your SINCGARS radio, and even the engine block of your humvee...Or artillery pieces, or whatever. Just set the grenade on something, pull the pin, and let the fun begin! Thermite is great......
But not as cool as claymores...I love those fucking things. A more vicious ambush initiation tool I cannot think of...and SOOOOOOO easy to turn into a boobytrap!!!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-24 01:41pm

Thermite is a substance which burns at very high temperature (high enough to melt steel). Thermite grenades are real. You can even get instructions for making it on the Internet, although it's obviously a risky thing to play with.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-24 01:53pm

If, for some damn reason, you made the stuff try and avoid getting anywhere near it. Not only does it burn at 3000 degrees C it also requires no oxygen and unlike phosphur bombs, can't be smothered.

It would make BBQs quicker though.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-09-24 01:55pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:If, for some damn reason, you made the stuff try and avoid getting anywhere near it. Not only does it burn at 3000 degrees C it also requires no oxygen and unlike phosphur bombs, can't be smothered.

That's the nice thing about the rust ingredient.

It would make BBQs quicker though.

Might be a problem when it destroys the BBQ itself, though.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-24 02:08pm

Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-24 02:10pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:If, for some damn reason, you made the stuff try and avoid getting anywhere near it. Not only does it burn at 3000 degrees C it also requires no oxygen and unlike phosphur bombs, can't be smothered.
That's the nice thing about the rust ingredient.
It would make BBQs quicker though.
Might be a problem when it destroys the BBQ itself, though.

Heh, The Sixth Day has a nice batch of the stuff burn through several floors of a building a la Alien acid blood.

Montcalm: The Anarchist's Cookbook has to keep with the times, hell, the basic ingredients are free to anyone, I learnt about it in highschool chemistry, just add the right proportions of household chemicals and bingo.

LT.Hit-Man · Post by **LT.Hit-Man** » 2003-09-24 02:50pm

Montcalm wrote: Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.

And people say I'm out of the loop?

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-09-24 02:50pm

Montcalm wrote: Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.

If it's the reaction I'm thinking of, you'd find it in many secondary\high-school chemisty text-books.

(it's basically Al + rust -> molten Fe + aluminium oxide. With a Mg fuse for fun.)

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-09-24 02:57pm

Shortie wrote:
Montcalm wrote: Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.
If it's the reaction I'm thinking of, you'd find it in many secondary\high-school chemisty text-books.

(it's basically Al + rust -> molten Fe + aluminium oxide. With a Mg fuse for fun.)

Nice every HS kids has the info on how to make bombs and other exploding things,and the thing that is considered dangerous is "nail-clipper" just fucking great

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-09-24 03:03pm

Most wannabe anarchists who attempt to build such devices to overthrow the evil and cruel governments of the world tend to erase their existence from this reality before figuring out just how much explosive is too much.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-09-24 03:08pm

Montcalm wrote:
Shortie wrote:
Montcalm wrote: Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.
If it's the reaction I'm thinking of, you'd find it in many secondary\high-school chemisty text-books.

(it's basically Al + rust -> molten Fe + aluminium oxide. With a Mg fuse for fun.)
Nice every HS kids has the info on how to make bombs and other exploding things,and the thing that is considered dangerous is "nail-clipper" just fucking great

And if I had the plutonium the machine shop I work at over the summer could have turned out an A-bomb. The simple knowledge isn't the danger since most tend to fuck up along the way and maim themeselves. And even less know how to employ them.

The danger is the people that know how to use even little things as a weapon. A neighbor who works at the nearby prison nearly got killed by a shank made out of some cardboard and a peice of wire. It doesn't take much more than the will to maim to turn just about anything into a weapon.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-09-24 08:45pm

A friend (I lose the term losely) made a flame-thrower, chainmail, and some thermite. He was a strange kid.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-09-24 08:47pm

On TechTV the other night they demoed a custom made harddrive nuker. It was packed with thermite. They got the instructions for making thermite off the net.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2003-09-24 10:35pm

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The is nasty #*@!. Here is a good and easy way to make it.
The first step is to get some iron-oxide (which is RUST!). Here is
a good way to make large quantities in a short time:

- Get a DC convertor like the one used on a train set. Cut the
connector off, seperate the wires, and strip them both.

- Now you need a jar of water with a tablespoon or so of sodium
chloride (which is SALT!) added to it. This makes the water
conductive.
Now insert both wires into the mixture (I am assuming you
plugged the convertor in.) and let them sit for five minutes.
One of them will start bubbling more than the other. This is the
POSITIVE(+) wire. If you do not do this test right, the final
product will be the opposite (chemically) of rust, which is RUST
ACID. You have no use for this here (although it IS useful!).

- Anyway, put the nail tied to the positive wire into the jar. Now
put the negative wire in the other end. Now let it sit overnight
and in the morning scrape the rust off of the nail & repeat until
you got a bunch of rust on the bottom of the glass. Be generous
with your rust collection. If you are going through the trouble of
making thermite, you might as well make a lot, right?

- Now remove the excess water and pour the crusty solution onto a
cookie sheet. Dry it in the sun for a few hours, or inside
overnight. It should be an orange-brown color (although I have
seen it in many different colors! Sometimes the color gets #*@!ed
up, what can I say. but it is still iron oxide!)

- Crush the rust into a fine powder and heat it in a cast-iron pot
until it is red. Now mix the pure iron oxide with pure alluminum
filinos which can be bought or filed down by hand from an aluminum
tube or bar. The ratio or iron oxide to aluminum is 8 grams to 3
grams.

- Congrats! You have just made THERMITE! Now, to light it.

- Thermite requires a LOT of heat (more than a blow torch!) to
ignite. However, a magnesium ribbon (which is sorta hard to find.
call around) will do the trick. It takes the heat from the
burning magnesium to light the thermite.

- Now when you see your victim’s car, pour a fifty-cent sized pile
onto his hood, stick the ribbon in it, and light the ribbon with
the blow torch. Now chuckle as you watch it burn through the hood,
the block, the axle, and the pavement. BE CAREFUL! The ideal
mixtures can vaporize CARBON STEEL! Another idea is to use
thermite to get into pay phone cash boxes. HAVE FUN!!

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-09-24 10:59pm

A friend of mine made thermite with his dad when he was younger. His dad was a chemist and the friend was really into science.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-09-25 12:51am

The military also uses them to spike gun tubes of artillery and tanks if they have to abandon the equipment in a place where the enemy might be able to get it.

Ive never seen one used up close, but if I ever become president I will ask them to let me drop one into a suprlus vehicle.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-09-25 01:09am

kojikun wrote:On TechTV the other night they demoed a custom made harddrive nuker. It was packed with thermite. They got the instructions for making thermite off the net.

The last thing I want is TechTV putting this information out. We already have enough nutjobs as it is...

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-09-25 10:06am

Thermite is high school chemistry, so it'd be somewhat hard to hide all of this information. Hell, the Discovery Channel once showed how to construct a pipe bomb.

In college, one lab demo had them running a thermite reaction over CO2 - turning the latter in an oxident

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-25 10:48am

Hmmmm, maybe I should try out making this stuff at home. Where I'm gonna burn it is another question entirely...

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-09-25 10:52am

Xenophobe3691 wrote:Hmmmm, maybe I should try out making this stuff at home. Where I'm gonna burn it is another question entirely...

It really isn't that dangerous if you know what you are doing. Just about every high school chemistry teacher makes this in class and it very stable (being only aluminum and rust). The only problem is that if you decide to burn it you will need a big enough target (a steel block works nicely) to make sure it is contained.

Alnilam · Post by **Alnilam** » 2003-09-25 11:55am

VERY interesting.Thank you,guys,for the info.Now,I've another nasty thing for my CP2020 players.I wonder how many d10's of damage will do those toys

Audrie_Dawn · Post by **Audrie_Dawn** » 2003-09-25 01:08pm

Montcalm wrote: Are you saying that just like the info on how to make pipe-bombs,there is info on how to make thermite grenades on the web.

Thermite grenades are not hard to make. The thermite reaction is simply the reduction-oxidation reaction between iron oxide (rust) and aluminum, which is something anyone who paid attention in high school chemistry should understand. The only tricky thing about it is the initiation energy is fairly high; you need something very hot (like a magnesium ribbon) to start it going.