Spare the rod, spoil the child

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-28 08:39pm

From the 2002/09/28 edition of the Globe and Mail:

Kevin Cox, Charlottetown, reporting for Globe and Mail wrote:A member of a rural Prince Edward Island commune says he once hit a child 39 times with a wooden rod as a disciplinary measure.

But Simon Peter Laliberte said yesterday that he had struck children with the wooden paddle because he loved them and wanted them to grow up to obey God.

Testifying at the trial of Lucille Poulin, the 78-year old spiritual head of the commune who is facing five counts of assaulting children, Mr. Laliberte was adamant that he had never assaulted a youngster, though he said he had used the rod on a child on several occasions. "I have not assaulted them. I've corrected them," he said.

Under cross-examination by Crown attorney Darrel Coombs, the farm worker and carpenter said that the temporary pain a child suffered from the rod was insignificant compared with the risk of the child being condemned to hell for a lifetime of bad behaviour.

He said that the Bible calls for the chastening of children and the use of the rod to show them how to lead a good life.

Mr. Laliberte, who is the second witness to testify in defense of Ms. Poulin, did not explain what had led to the use of the rod on the unidentified child, but he shrugged off Mr. Coombs' suggestion that people would be horrified if he were to hit a child with a rod 39 times in public.

"I'm not here to gain acceptance of the world. I'm here to obey God," he said.

The case, which is being tried in PEI Supreme Court, is considered a major test of a section of the Criminal Code of Canada that allows a parent to use reasonable force to discipline a child.

And people still insist that there's no way a belief in the afterlife can cause any harm

. But I'm sure some apologist will leap in to say that Biblical beliefs aren't bad, as long as they aren't "twisted" by people who make the mistake of taking them literally, instead of throwing away all the bad parts.

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2002-09-28 08:47pm

Absolutely sickening.

Of course this isn't what worst case of this that I've ever heard of.

I once read an article detailing how a married couple beat their 5 year old for being disobediant. They didn't send him to school, they just kept him at home WITH HIS LEG TIED TO THE WALL!

When the child discovered how to undoe the knots tied around him, you can imagine the shit his parents did to him.

And of course when they got caught, their defense is that damned "spare the rod spoil the child" line.

When I say I believe in a genocide of idiots. I mean it.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-09-28 08:54pm

Ugh..

That was really awful. It's really bad anybody can become a parent. It should require a license..

The man is clearly delusional. It's not only because he's religious that he has beaten the child, but it is a fact that the Church has always condoned harsh methods to indoctrinate the children [together with the conservationists]. It surely would have helped a lot if the priest of this retarded had told him that child beating led straight to hell..

But, again, probally this guy doesn't even go to a "normal" church. Either he belongs to a cult or is a self iluminated individual (the worst fundies, because they think that they are indeed the best, the brightest and the rightfull).

So, I don't think the church can be blamed for this. Religion, partially, but specially that fundie retorted religion that we have all grown to hate

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-28 09:03pm

Not exactly the same thing, but I remember a bunch of fundie idoits here in Colorado who let their daughter die of a sickness because they didn't believe in "heathen Un-Christian" doctors - they thought they could pray her sickness out!

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-09-28 09:06pm

That's different, even more sad and equally as stupid.

The answer to those problems is simple. Take the girl away from the stupidity of the family and ensure her survival.

And headbutt the parents if they protest, btw

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-28 09:18pm

Let's not go there, the currupt cop that was my mom's second husband "Corrected" my mom to the point she miscarried. I still have a scar from where he broke my jaw.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-09-28 09:43pm

Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-28 10:00pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.

Does that also apply to disciplining wives?

*ducks sharp objects*

*ducks flying elbow from Rebecca*

*sidesteps body check from unidentified female assailant on front lawn*

*runs like hell*

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-28 10:08pm

I still have a scar from where he broke my jaw.

Has he... Been delt with yet?

Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.

Ahh you refer to the *Irish Traveler who is making the news for beating up her child in a parking lot but first she looked around then bet the bejebus out of the kid
Of course she never looked for Video camers being she never went to school... And they got the whole thing on tape

Anyway as for Kids, the best method of punishment is FEAR

Tarkin had the right idea about alot of things but the *Rule through Fear of force rather than force itself

A example story

An old friend of mine(I make many old friends because I move around alot

) who I met first when I was joining up, he wanted to be a Marine and we oddly enough keep in touch untill a few years later he suddenly drops by with a new Wife, a new five year old kid(Birthday the week before so tecnicaly it was still a new kid, not a slightly used one

) and I notice how exceptional energetic yet obedent the child was(Those things rarley go togther) I commented and my friend explaied to me he had used a simple method
He was the Bear, Cute and cuddly though kinda big when its sleepy or happy but if you annoy it, it will gut you where you stand and DRINK YOU BLOOD! woops to much detale

Anyway he demestored this as such as the kid was getting a bit overengeretic and by his eyes(And my experances with other young kids) he was looking for somthing to throw/climb/play with, Well over comes my friend asks him nicely what he was doing now messing with the random crap I have on my desk(I get board in my job so I get random crap to throw on my desk and toy with during boring hours, Why I first got SW micro-machines was because of this

) anyway he said nothing even as he eye hungrely the tenins ball I had shucked next to the monitor.

Then MF turns slightly winks at me then says You would NOT BE LIEING TO YOUR FATHER WOULD YOU? Now he did not yell but I use the captilization to emphesise his tone change, The results where quite impressive as the boy imdeadtly confessed he was not lieing but that he happen to be board and wondered where they where going, but through this it was obvious also through his body lanugage how.. petrfied the kid was, he almost but not quite was stammering and when he turned around and saw his father smiling I could see him instaly relax. Anyway long story short(TO LATE~Rest) he said nice to see you and left

Now then one example is hardly conculsive proof but on the surface it seems like an excelent anaolgy and good way to have your kid thinking of you
The sort of relationship I bet Mr Samual L. Jackson would have with his kids if he stayed in charater

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-28 10:08pm

-sticks out foot, whistles-

Christ. That is fucked.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-28 10:18pm

That's just wrong. Fucking cult wacko. I hope that sick son of a bitch goes to a prison where he gets a rod aplied to his ass.... without lube.

There is a big difference between a spanking and a beating. Caning a kid is way way too harsh no matter the circumstances. But of course those wackos don't consider that, only the "good of the child's soul". Nevermind that every christian doesn't beat their kids or that in the long run abusing a kid is more likely to create a fucked up kid than a good one.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-09-28 10:39pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.
Does that also apply to disciplining wives?

*ducks sharp objects*

*ducks flying elbow from Rebecca*

*sidesteps body check from unidentified female assailant on front lawn*

*runs like hell*

No! You can't run! You have to let them kick the shit out of you! I demand amusement, dammit!

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-09-28 10:40pm

You know, I ask for the simple things in life, a dome over my head, naked chicks on the HV(HoloVision), and fucking EYE BEAMS TO DESTROY FUCKING IDIOTS LIKE THIS! AND DO I GET ANY OF IT? NO!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-28 10:45pm

Sickening

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-09-28 10:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.
Does that also apply to disciplining wives?

*ducks sharp objects*

*ducks flying elbow from Rebecca*

*sidesteps body check from unidentified female assailant on front lawn*

*runs like hell*

*pulls out marriage license* Read the fine print, bub.

#1. Your wife is always right
#2. Refer to #1

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-09-28 10:49pm

Mr Bean wrote: Ahh you refer to the *Irish Traveler who is making the news for beating up her child in a parking lot but first she looked around then bet the bejebus out of the kid
Of course she never looked for Video camers being she never went to school... And they got the whole thing on tape

That's the bitch.

Anyway as for Kids, the best method of punishment is FEAR

Tarkin had the right idea about alot of things but the *Rule through Fear of force rather than force itself

You know, I actually have to agree here.

My dad had to only mention the word switch or belt and I'd confess to anything. He was a very loving man, but just knowing that he would do it was enough to keep me in line.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-09-28 10:51pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Disciplining your child is fine. It's when you strap him or her into the car seat and THEN beat the crap out of them is when you go beyond discipline.
Does that also apply to disciplining wives?

*ducks sharp objects*

*ducks flying elbow from Rebecca*

*sidesteps body check from unidentified female assailant on front lawn*

*runs like hell*

RUN WONG RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2002-09-28 11:33pm

And people still insist that there's no way a belief in the afterlife can cause any harm . But I'm sure some apologist will leap in to say that Biblical beliefs aren't bad, as long as they aren't "twisted" by people who make the mistake of taking them literally, instead of throwing away all the bad parts.

Do you believe all corporal punishment of kids is bad? I met a woman once who told me "We don't hit our kids, it's abuse" So, she thought even a hand spanking was abuse. Some parents still think also it'a acceptable to hit a child with a belt, gross.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-28 11:44pm

Shrykull wrote:Do you believe all corporal punishment of kids is bad?

Of course it's bad, but it may arguably be a necessary evil. However, as with all necessary evils, if one overdoes it, then it becomes unnecessary evil, ie- just plain evil. Hitting a kid with a wooden rod is well beyond that line.

There is no situation whatsoever in which physically punishing a child in any way is good. None. There may, however, be cases where a parent feels that it's worth it. It's a judgement call, although some parents don't exercise much judgement; they have various forms of convenient dogma which allow them to avoid taking personal responsibility for their actions, by punting to a higher power (such as God or the legal system), so they simply act out of anger and frustration and then try to justify it later.

I have spanked each of my kids once. In both cases, it was more than a year ago. In both cases, I still feel bad about it. Would I do it again? Maybe, if I thought punishment was necessary. But I know I'd feel shitty again, and they got the message more than a year ago. Parenthood can be a helluva thing sometimes, but the sort of person who beats a kid with a wooden rod is obviously not thinking that way. He's just an asshole, plain and simple, with no redeeming features whatsoever.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-09-29 12:01am

When I fucked up as a child my "Father" would force me to cut my own switch(only the freshest most whip-like willow branches where good enough) He would then hold onto my hand and soundly lash my back and thighs with a fucking willow branch, somethimes he wiould do for no reason whatsoever, Hell he would abuse my half brother for no other reason than"He's not mine" My brother would be the example, When I was little, i was being an ass and my "Father" took my brother into the woods and beat the shit out of him.

Luckily my mother broke the abuse cyle and divorced that son of a bitch. Now it sends death threats. He actually condones and encourages the public stoning of disobediant children. Good thing it is in Mississippi where it belongs.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-09-29 12:10am

You need to get Rebecca to post on the board

.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-09-29 12:20am

David wrote:You need to get Rebecca to post on the board .

To talk about spanking? I spank her much more frequently than I do the boys, but for different reasons

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-09-29 12:24am

And that folks is why I feel corporal punishment is wrong.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-09-29 12:43am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:And that folks is why I feel corporal punishment is wrong.

Just because Mike here tells a few kinky stories?

On a serious note, that's too bad about your father. Just be glad your mom got you out of the situation at all. Sadly some don't.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-09-29 12:57am

I'm fine now.

Or as fine as any human could be. Accept now i have a sick morbid fascination with impending doom and death. And I plan on being a politician(or at least a lawyer) so how fine Am I? I didnt end up as fucked up as some children