Federation Shuttle Craft vs Omega Class Destroyers

[Omega-13]

30 Federation Generic shuttle craft, the type with 2 seats in the front, and a small storage space in the back, vs 15 Omega class destroyers, both start at 1 million KM range,

[Renewed_Valour1]

30 Federation Generic shuttle craft, the type with 2 seats in the front, and a small storage space in the back, vs 15 Omega class destroyers, both start at 1 million KM range,

Uhm ram them until they give up? Since I think those shuttles only carry phasers on special missions. Even if the shuttles are armed I give it to the Omegas by a large margin.

[Evil Jerk]

Best case scenario: Shuttles die.
Worst case scenario: Shuttles die.

[Omega-13]

30 Federation Generic shuttle craft, the type with 2 seats in the front, and a small storage space in the back, vs 15 Omega class destroyers, both start at 1 million KM range,

Uhm ram them until they give up? Since I think those shuttles only carry phasers on special missions. Even if the shuttles are armed I give it to the Omegas by a large margin.

why would you say that? we've seen shuttles take hits from capital grade weapons and keep on trucking,

[Omega-13]

Best case scenario: Shuttles die.
Worst case scenario: Shuttles die.

Don't think so, those shuttles have their own phaser arrays, which could do sever damage to those omega's. Not to mention a size advantage, extremely small, doubt any of the big guns could target them, on shitty interceptor battiers

[Alyeska]

Depends on the shuttles. TNG era shuttles carried by a GCS usually didn't have phasers. However the shuttle on the Defiant, Enteprise, and the Voyager shuttles all had weaponry.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Depends on the shuttles. TNG era shuttles carried by a GCS usually didn't have phasers. However the shuttle on the Defiant, Enteprise, and the Voyager shuttles all had weaponry.

No it doesn't. Weak-ass shuttles die no matter what.

[Howedar]

The presence of weaponry does indeed depend on the era, which I believe is what Alyeska was saying.

[RayCav of ASVS]

The presence of weaponry does indeed depend on the era, which I believe is what Alyeska was saying.

But it still doesn't matter because they're low power phasers anyway.

[Typhonis 1]

Runabouts would rip the Omegas a new one since they carry those nasty 32 megaton torps

[Alyeska]

The presence of weaponry does indeed depend on the era, which I believe is what Alyeska was saying.

But it still doesn't matter because they're low power phasers anyway.

Not really. The shuttle from Insurrection was a relative equal to the Scout Ship, and that ship was capable of taking on the Sona Destroyer. Some of the Trek shuttles are capable of taking on capships in larger numbers. 30-40 shuttles certainly qualifies. Especially if they are carrying micro torpedo launchers.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Runabouts would rip the Omegas a new one since they carry those nasty 32 megaton torps

Sure...and the Toothfairy has a 10 gigaton bomb

[RayCav of ASVS]

The presence of weaponry does indeed depend on the era, which I believe is what Alyeska was saying.

But it still doesn't matter because they're low power phasers anyway.

Not really. The shuttle from Insurrection was a relative equal to the Scout Ship, and that ship was capable of taking on the Sona Destroyer. Some of the Trek shuttles are capable of taking on capships in larger numbers. 30-40 shuttles certainly qualifies. Especially if they are carrying micro torpedo launchers.

Clearly, you and I must have not been watching the same movie. I recall the scout ship maneuvering to avoid phototorps, but I don't really even recall it usuing any weapons whatsoever. Additionally, what makes you think that the shuttle had the same weapons suite? Just by judging size? An F-16 and a Piper Meridian are roughly about the same size; does that mean they carry the same weapons? (HINT: The Piper carries no weapons) You'd think a scout ship would have a better weapons suite than a lowly shuttle. There really isn't any need for phasers on a shuttle anyway, and I can't really recall an instance where shuttles even had phasers (only runabouts and similar vessels)

Furthermore, we have never seen an instance when a shuttle has carried microtorpedoes.

Finally, if it turns out that the Scout Ship did successfully engage Sona Destroyers, well then, that merely shows the weakness of Trek cap ships

[Alyeska]

But it still doesn't matter because they're low power phasers anyway.

Not really. The shuttle from Insurrection was a relative equal to the Scout Ship, and that ship was capable of taking on the Sona Destroyer. Some of the Trek shuttles are capable of taking on capships in larger numbers. 30-40 shuttles certainly qualifies. Especially if they are carrying micro torpedo launchers.

Clearly, you and I must have not been watching the same movie. I recall the scout ship maneuvering to avoid phototorps, but I don't really even recall it usuing any weapons whatsoever. Additionally, what makes you think that the shuttle had the same weapons suite? Just by judging size? An F-16 and a Piper Meridian are roughly about the same size; does that mean they carry the same weapons? (HINT: The Piper carries no weapons) You'd think a scout ship would have a better weapons suite than a lowly shuttle. There really isn't any need for phasers on a shuttle anyway, and I can't really recall an instance where shuttles even had phasers (only runabouts and similar vessels)

Furthermore, we have never seen an instance when a shuttle has carried microtorpedoes.

Finally, if it turns out that the Scout Ship did successfully engage Sona Destroyers, well then, that merely shows the weakness of Trek cap ships

Voyager showed use of micro torpedoes on shuttles.

Rewatch Insurrection. The Scoutship fired on the Sona Destroyer several times.

As to that last statement. There is a distinct difference between the Scoutship and other shuttles. Also that Destroyer is not a combat capable as most other ships, but it seems most people think that most trek ships could take any B5 ship. The Sone Destroyer fits the bill. If the Sona Destroyer can be taken down by several shuttle craft, then one would stand to think so could the Omega.

[Alyeska]

Runabouts would rip the Omegas a new one since they carry those nasty 32 megaton torps

Sure...and the Toothfairy has a 10 gigaton bomb

Theoretically the Runabout can be equiped with a fullsized Torpedo launcher that can hold 4 torpedoes. DS9 TM, but never shown. The Micro torpedoes are significantly less then a full sized torpedo, but with less speed, navigation, range, etc... They sacraficed those to get as much anti-mater in the micro torpedoes as possible to make them more powerful per size then a full sized torpedo.

[Darth Wong]

Rewatch Insurrection.

Do you hate him so much, to ask him to do such a thing?

The Scoutship fired on the Sona Destroyer several times.

How much damage did it do?

If the Sona Destroyer can be taken down by several shuttle craft, then one would stand to think so could the Omega.

I didn't get the impression that a few shuttlecraft would be a serious threat to that So'na warship.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Well torps will never hit. B5 interceptors hit bolts of plasma that are small than photorps.

The heavy weapons on an omega can anddo target and hit starfuries(ref no surrender, no retreat)

I would give this to the omegas. A a phaser hit will do only minor damage to the Armor on an omega, while one hit by the omega and the crew of the shuttle is dead when thier consoles explode sending shrapnel into thier faces. That and um the omegas can send the starfuries out to destroy consoles before the shiuttles are within weapons range

[Solid Snake]

Alyrium! Long time no see, man!
Omega, you put this up for the purpose of annoying me, didnt you?

Are they Advanced OD's? If so, the shuttles are fucked. If not, they are still fucked.

15 OD's can also bring 540 starfuries to the table. "There's.....to many of them!" Omega Destroyers 8=======> Shuttles

[RayCav of ASVS]

Not really. The shuttle from Insurrection was a relative equal to the Scout Ship, and that ship was capable of taking on the Sona Destroyer. Some of the Trek shuttles are capable of taking on capships in larger numbers. 30-40 shuttles certainly qualifies. Especially if they are carrying micro torpedo launchers.

Clearly, you and I must have not been watching the same movie. I recall the scout ship maneuvering to avoid phototorps, but I don't really even recall it usuing any weapons whatsoever. Additionally, what makes you think that the shuttle had the same weapons suite? Just by judging size? An F-16 and a Piper Meridian are roughly about the same size; does that mean they carry the same weapons? (HINT: The Piper carries no weapons) You'd think a scout ship would have a better weapons suite than a lowly shuttle. There really isn't any need for phasers on a shuttle anyway, and I can't really recall an instance where shuttles even had phasers (only runabouts and similar vessels)

Furthermore, we have never seen an instance when a shuttle has carried microtorpedoes.

Finally, if it turns out that the Scout Ship did successfully engage Sona Destroyers, well then, that merely shows the weakness of Trek cap ships

Voyager showed use of micro torpedoes on shuttles.

Rewatch Insurrection. The Scoutship fired on the Sona Destroyer several times.

As to that last statement. There is a distinct difference between the Scoutship and other shuttles. Also that Destroyer is not a combat capable as most other ships, but it seems most people think that most trek ships could take any B5 ship. The Sone Destroyer fits the bill. If the Sona Destroyer can be taken down by several shuttle craft, then one would stand to think so could the Omega.

Yes Voyager had microtorpedoes...on the Delta Flyer Considering that it has trouble fitting in Voyager's shuttle bay, I think it's clearly not a standard shuttle.

And just because most people think a ST ship can whoop a B5 ship does not make it true. Most people seem to think ST can whoop SW after all

[Typhonis 1]

I got the 32megaton figure from torpedo calcs that state that torps have a max possible yield of 64 MT well given its a spherical blast I divided itby 2to get 32MT probobly less given they are`nt 100% eff so say 20mt still more than enough to vape an OCD with a contact hit

[Mr Bean]

Theoretically the Runabout can be equiped with a fullsized Torpedo launcher that can hold 4 torpedoes. DS9 TM, but never shown.

Which is not offical and just plain redicius for the obvious size limitations

Unless they have the Hony I Shrunk the Kids Shrinking and Reversing Rays handy the problem is TWO torps are bigger than the combined volume of the entire Shuttlecraft....

[Alyeska]

Theoretically the Runabout can be equiped with a fullsized Torpedo launcher that can hold 4 torpedoes. DS9 TM, but never shown.

Which is not offical and just plain redicius for the obvious size limitations

Unless they have the Hony I Shrunk the Kids Shrinking and Reversing Rays handy the problem is TWO torps are bigger than the combined volume of the entire Shuttlecraft....

Incorrect. Torpedoes are slightly larger then people and any Type-5 or Type-6 shuttle can carry up to 4 of them easily just inside the cargo area.

[RayCav of ASVS]

I got the 32megaton figure from torpedo calcs that state that torps have a max possible yield of 64 MT well given its a spherical blast I divided itby 2to get 32MT probobly less given they are`nt 100% eff so say 20mt still more than enough to vape an OCD with a contact hit

Actually, I think it may just be 21, as low as 10. Microtorps may just be in the kiloton range.

And why did you assume microtorps had half the yeild of a standard torp?

[Alyeska]

Rewatch Insurrection.

Do you hate him so much, to ask him to do such a thing?

Nah. However the Scoutship did indeed attack the Sona Destroyer.

The Scoutship fired on the Sona Destroyer several times.

How much damage did it do?[/quote]

It did enough damage to force Ruafo to flee orbit and run for shelter in the nebula.

If the Sona Destroyer can be taken down by several shuttle craft, then one would stand to think so could the Omega.

I didn't get the impression that a few shuttlecraft would be a serious threat to that So'na warship.[/quote]

Actually smaller craft seem to be more of a threat then medium sized craft. The Sona only displayed torpedo like technology, and their tactical use against strike craft is not as effective as beam phasers. Strike craft would be able to move fast enough to avoid being hit all that often leaving them open to strike the ship.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Theoretically the Runabout can be equiped with a fullsized Torpedo launcher that can hold 4 torpedoes. DS9 TM, but never shown.

Which is not offical and just plain redicius for the obvious size limitations

Unless they have the Hony I Shrunk the Kids Shrinking and Reversing Rays handy the problem is TWO torps are bigger than the combined volume of the entire Shuttlecraft....

Actually the DS 9 episdoe "The Maquis" has runabouts and raiders firing phototorps. I think they even make it clear that these are the regualar varitey. However it should be noted that these are actually pretty big craft.