Emperor's storehouses

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-28 10:23am

How many were there? We know of Wayland, he had a place on Naboo that was uncovered, the asteroid where the plagues were hidden, and the Lusankya and Byss might technically count. But where there any more?

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-09-28 11:33am

The Eye of Palpatine and its attendant garrisons might count too.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-28 11:36am

There's supposed to be all sorts of shit stored in the Deep Core.

EDIT: Vjun, Vader stored all kinds of stuff there at Bast Castle, and later Palpatine took it over when he returned.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-30 01:52am

Gotta wonder why that little piece of information wasn't used a bit more. God knows there are an asston of stories about getting the DS plans, and superweapons of the week, how about something a little different?

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2003-09-30 08:23am

dont forget the unknown regions... he could have stored anything their

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-08 01:56am

Lex wrote:dont forget the unknown regions... he could have stored anything their

Or whatever Thrawn's UR base's database contains. Also, what's this about there being a treasure-house on Naboo earlier in the thread?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 04:33am

he had a place on Naboo? where from?

There was the Storehouse/Personal Museum that Dash REndar's father's ship crashed into.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-08 05:04am

Regarding Naboo, I know that he has a large palace there in SW: Galaxies, but I don't know if that's the storehouse youse guys are talking about, seeing as I haven't played the game.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 05:21am

Does Galaxies even fit into the same realm of canon that other SW computer games do?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-08 06:01am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Does Galaxies even fit into the same realm of canon that other SW computer games do?

I don't freaking know. The game looks like it sucks, and that's about all I know about that.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-08 06:04am

agreed that it looks boring, but I was wondeirng if there arent aspects of the game (seeing has how it is set up) that would cause it to fit differently than say...TIE Fighter.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-08 09:48pm

JME2 wrote:
Lex wrote:dont forget the unknown regions... he could have stored anything their
Or whatever Thrawn's UR base's database contains. Also, what's this about there being a treasure-house on Naboo earlier in the thread?

Niruaun (spl?) is NOT one of Palpatine's bases. Its a traitorous seperatist installation.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-09 09:34am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
JME2 wrote:
Lex wrote:dont forget the unknown regions... he could have stored anything their
Or whatever Thrawn's UR base's database contains. Also, what's this about there being a treasure-house on Naboo earlier in the thread?
Niruaun (spl?) is NOT one of Palpatine's bases. Its a traitorous seperatist installation.

True. but there are former Impeirals as well as Chiss running it.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-09 11:01am

JME2 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
JME2 wrote: Or whatever Thrawn's UR base's database contains. Also, what's this about there being a treasure-house on Naboo earlier in the thread?
Niruaun (spl?) is NOT one of Palpatine's bases. Its a traitorous seperatist installation.
True. but there are former Impeirals as well as Chiss running it.

Hence why he considers it traitorous. And it still isnt' one of Palpatine's storehouses

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 04:42pm

JME2 wrote:True. but there are former Impeirals as well as Chiss running it.

Exactly. These guys deserted the Empire to join a foriegn (para?)military force of dubious aims.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-10-09 05:01pm

One could as well say, they became independent, after their emperor deserted THEM.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 05:05pm

FTeik wrote:One could as well say, they became independent, after their emperor deserted THEM.

No, one cannot, because you cannot comprehend the meaning of the verb, "to desert," idiot.

Perhaps a military man here can explain it to your dumb ass, before you warp it the way you do the very definitions of any words necessary to suit your revisionist agenda.

Dictionary.com wrote:desert

To forsake one's duty or post, especially to be absent without leave from the armed forces with no intention of returning.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

By definition, Emperor Palpatine I of the Galactic Empire cannot desert his troops, but they can desert the Galactic Empire.

This is not one of your "from a certain point of view" things. My opinion differs from yours in that mine is correct and yours is in error.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-09 06:55pm

FTeik wrote:One could as well say, they became independent, after their emperor deserted THEM.

Your leader can't desert. He can be a coniving, cowardly son of a bitch, but sine he isn't in the military he can't desert.

That said I'm not sure the Imperials under Thrawn technically deserted, alot of them were ordered out there to serve under him and thus were accounted for and were acting with the Emperor's tactic approval.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 06:57pm

Ender wrote:That said I'm not sure the Imperials under Thrawn technically deserted, alot of them were ordered out there to serve under him and thus were accounted for and were acting with the Emperor's tactic approval.

The Hand of Thrawn organization had its own uniforms and did not answer to the Empire, but Thrawn himself as an individual. These were not Imperial officers and personnel any longer.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-09 07:01pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Ender wrote:That said I'm not sure the Imperials under Thrawn technically deserted, alot of them were ordered out there to serve under him and thus were accounted for and were acting with the Emperor's tactic approval.
The Hand of Thrawn organization had its own uniforms and did not answer to the Empire, but Thrawn himself as an individual. These were not Imperial officers and personnel any longer.

They were ordered out there by the Empire, and those who came back returned to service in the Empire. What went on out there is iffy, but they don't seem to meet the qualifications for desertion as I understand them. Maybe Rob or Wilkins can explain more throughly.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-10-09 07:04pm

The HoT was created during Thrawn's mapping quests in the Unknown Regions sometime around Yavin. Thrawn hid this knowledge from Palpatine--and AFAIK he never found out--thus making it a traitorous seperatist installation. He likely did this to hide the whereabouts of the Chiss (of whom Thrawn was very protective of, even after his banishment at their hands) but that doesn't change what it is.

The Imperials stationed at the HoT pre-Endor were part of Thrawn's mapping task force. It's probable they didn't know it was an illegitimate facility, though. The only other new Imperial admissions to his army from that point on were Admiral Voss Parck and Baron Fel.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 08:13pm

Ender wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Ender wrote:That said I'm not sure the Imperials under Thrawn technically deserted, alot of them were ordered out there to serve under him and thus were accounted for and were acting with the Emperor's tactic approval.
The Hand of Thrawn organization had its own uniforms and did not answer to the Empire, but Thrawn himself as an individual. These were not Imperial officers and personnel any longer.
They were ordered out there by the Empire, and those who came back returned to service in the Empire. What went on out there is iffy, but they don't seem to meet the qualifications for desertion as I understand them. Maybe Rob or Wilkins can explain more throughly.

The mapping campiagn ended and the one in pursuit of traitorous Grand Admiral Zaarin began just prior to the Battle of Endor.

Presumably, Thrawn was allowed leave after defeating Zaarin and formally replacing him among the Twelve Grand Admirals (reportedly he was secretly promoted to Grand Admiral already) to protect his homeworld.

Nevertheless, Syndic Mitth'raw'noroudo's Household Phalanx is a distinct entity from any of the Galactic Empire's armed forces. They have distinct uniforms, distinct chain-of-command, and distinct goals and aims which are exclusive of those of the Imperial High Command. They swear alliegance and swear to die for their Syndic (ref: Dark Journey). And regardless, we know one of them, General Fel, is a defector to the New Republic, and most definitely a traitor--the fact that Thrawn had him recruited into an organization commissioned to "serve and uphold" his ideals kind of hammers it in for me that this was definitely not a loyal organization.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-09 08:58pm

And Yet Palpatine and later Isard kept feeding him ships and men, and when ones like Krennel were sent back (who would certainly have ratted him out for what was going on out there) they just rejoined the standard fleet, albeit with their careers destroyed. This does not match at all with desertion.

Mabe the upcoming Zahn novels will explain it better, they deal with Thrawns explusion and return to the UR

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-09 09:06pm

Ender wrote:And Yet Palpatine and later Isard kept feeding him ships and men,

Palpatine did no such thing--he disappeared as far as everyone outside the Deep Core was concerned until six years after Endor. And remember, according to DESB, Palpatine was "disappointed" in Thrawn for seizing power, so I don't think Thrawn knew Palpatine was alive, and Palpatine was definitely not feeding him men and materiel after his death at Endor.

Isard, to my knowledge, had only occasional contact, and gave Fel to him on request. She wasn't in much position to refuse, because Thrawn had a better claim to power than she did (they're both military despots, but Thrawn outranked Isard and all other members of the military as the sole remaining Grand Admiral) and was a tactical genius. Isard had plenty of political enemies.

None of that refutes that we know that as of Fel's capture, Thrawn was a traitor. And Palpatine did facilitate his death, according to the DESB.

Ender wrote:and when ones like Krennel were sent back (who would certainly have ratted him out for what was going on out there) they just rejoined the standard fleet, albeit with their careers destroyed. This does not match at all with desertion.

Krennel, who Thrawn could likely politically destroy and militarily outranked Isard? Who could gain no real benefit by ratting him out since no one could do anything about it? Who quickly alienated Isard by rebelling, thus leaving him with no one to rat to?

And Zahn's new books take place between VoTF and the NJO, and in the Prequel era. They don't deal with Thrawn's expulsion and return to the UR, to my knowledge. And I remind you arguing from suppositions from sources not even available yet is an Argument from Ignorance.

EDIT: You're also assuming that the Imperial mapping forces had full knowledge of what Thrawn was doing. You're also assuming they knew of and details of the Syndic's Household Phalanx. Thrawn syphoned off SOME men and materiel, but I imagine the majority of the Imperial forces bequeathed to him for his mapping campiagn were recalled before he returned, recalled by him to assist in his campiagn to retake the galaxy from the New Republic, or recalled during Operation SHADOWHAND. All of those assumptions are unjustified, and you have no idea if Krennel knew of the full extent of Thrawn's operations. Indeed, since he WAS a loyal Imperial officer, reason stands that he was not associated with the deserters (defectors, really) who'd sworn fealty to Thrawn himself as members of his Phalanx. If you have evidence to show otherwise, I'd love to see it.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-10-10 10:22am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
FTeik wrote:One could as well say, they became independent, after their emperor deserted THEM.
No, one cannot, because you cannot comprehend the meaning of the verb, "to desert," idiot.

Fine, then lets replace it with "abandon", dickhead.

What i meant should have been clear without explenation.
Your nit-picking on 100% proper meaning of a word doesn´t change a single thing, that Palpatine spent 6 years hiding in his small private enclave in the deep core, while his empire crumbled.

By definition, Emperor Palpatine I of the Galactic Empire cannot desert his troops, but they can desert the Galactic Empire.

So how would you call his time on Byss during ROTJ and DE?

This is not one of your "from a certain point of view" things. My opinion differs from yours in that mine is correct and yours is in error.

Aside from your nit-picking and wasteful complaining of not using the "proper" term you have no proof, that the forces at the Hand of Thrawn didn´t bowed to Palpatine´s orders, when he finally decided to return.

As for me being a revisionist, given clear evidence, i´m willing to concede, that the maron in DE was the real Palpatine. This changes nothing about the fact, that i still think his more or less obvious course and actions to be foolish and extremely dangerous. One really had to wonder, if the guy didn´t learn from history.