Official M:TG Thread

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-09-28 12:16am

Game between bunny, exon, and myself. I won with 16 life left. Big moments of the game when Exon used extinction on my zombies...bastard...luckily though, he and bunny payed dearly for it. And that stupid Wall of Glare that Bunny had...Good game though.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-09-28 12:38am

Captain_Cyran wrote:Game between bunny, exon, and myself. I won with 16 life left. Big moments of the game when Exon used extinction on my zombies...bastard...luckily though, he and bunny payed dearly for it. And that stupid Wall of Glare that Bunny had...Good game though.

Yeah, except I got card fucked beyond my opening hand.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-09-28 08:32pm

Well I found an program called Netdraft that'll allow us to play MTG multiplayer online, but it comes with some draw backs.

1) We can't use our decks, we get boosters and make decks with those boosters, and they last only for that game.

2) It's only got upto Onslaught

3) It's kind of complicated to install, I had to download 1.33 from the main page, then 1.41 from E-League, then get updates for scourge onslaught.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-09-29 02:12pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Well I found an program called Netdraft that'll allow us to play MTG multiplayer online, but it comes with some draw backs.

1) We can't use our decks, we get boosters and make decks with those boosters, and they last only for that game.

2) It's only got upto Onslaught

3) It's kind of complicated to install, I had to download 1.33 from the main page, then 1.41 from E-League, then get updates for scourge onslaught.

Nah... I don't like the drawbacks

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-10-01 10:33pm

Me against Cyran:

Round 1: I used blue control deck versus his green. He got a Rhox out and started attacking and I had nothing to defend, but I casted Illusions of Grandeur and donated it to him. He forfitted.

Round 2: My remade Black reanimation deck, started out with a bunch of Ancestral Recalls. Summoned a few creatures, casted 2 Bad Moons. Did a Buried Alive and Death Pit Offering, saced all creatures. I casted Twlight's Call, returned all creatures in everybody's graveyard back to game, then attacked with all.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-10-01 10:43pm

Exonerate wrote:Me against Cyran:

Round 1: I used blue control deck versus his green. He got a Rhox out and started attacking and I had nothing to defend, but I casted Illusions of Grandeur and donated it to him. He forfitted.

Round 2: My remade Black reanimation deck, started out with a bunch of Ancestral Recalls. Summoned a few creatures, casted 2 Bad Moons. Did a Buried Alive and Death Pit Offering, saced all creatures. I casted Twlight's Call, returned all creatures in everybody's graveyard back to game, then attacked with all.

After you made me save my own life so you could do all that fancy stuff . Stupid Aprentice...time to fight fire with fire.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-10-02 12:31am

Round 1: I used blue control deck versus his green. He got a Rhox out and started attacking and I had nothing to defend, but I casted Illusions of Grandeur and donated it to him. He forfitted.

Doesn't cumulative upkeep suck suck suck? Unless you have infinite mana you are eventually going to be unable to pay it and if you do have infinite mana why use on that? I thought some of the effects were pretty cool, maybe perhaps the cards were designed to just do some devastating effect over a few rounds, like brand of ill omen which prevents you from casting creature spells. Or, you can time elemental, temporal adept it back to your hand and recast it to reset the cost.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-10-02 12:33am

Captain_Cyran wrote:Woah...Just took a look at Mirroden. Lots of old cards have made a come back (Under different names)

Kind of strange how everything is made of metal on mirrodin, There's spells of every color, but I usually think of the mana you get from lands as being from an organic source, decay and rot from swamps, flora and fauna and growth from forests, etc.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-10-02 12:34am

Shrykull wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:Oooooo... I like the cards I've seen so far..

Mirrodin FAQ

And the Yotian Soldier is back! YAY!
I'd prefer mobilization with soldiers and catapult master, attack without tapping, then tap them for the CM, I wish they'd bring banding back too, an enchantment that says "Creatures you control have banding"

Actually there is a card that does this defensive formation from Urza's Saga, words it a little differently though.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-10-02 12:57pm

Exonerate wrote:Me against Cyran:

Round 2: My remade Black reanimation deck, started out with a bunch of Ancestral Recalls. Summoned a few creatures, casted 2 Bad Moons. Did a Buried Alive and Death Pit Offering, saced all creatures. I casted Twlight's Call, returned all creatures in everybody's graveyard back to game, then attacked with all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I'm at work and not able to see a card list, but isn't Ancestral Recall a Restricted Card? Only one per deck? Or am I thinking of another card named Recall?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-02 04:00pm

Yes, Ancestral Recall is restricted. Every one of the Power Nine is.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-10-02 04:35pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Yes, Ancestral Recall is restricted. Every one of the Power Nine is.

Then Cyran and Exo need to replay, with all but one of those 'bunch of Ancestral Recalls' taken out of Exo's black deck.

If you're going to play, use the rules, please.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-10-02 04:47pm

LadyTevar wrote:If you're going to play, use the rules, please.

In casual play, it's good to define what the 'rules' are. If you're tourney-strict, that's cool. But a lot of people play 'out of the box', meaning that as long as you stick to the most current rule set (8th), there is no errata (meaning no one is going to look up exact wordings of cards - face value is fine).

Also, define 'banned lists' - that helps. In my play group, we had banned lists that in no way resembled the official one, because we were too lazy to look them up. We pretty much restricted and banned cards that made our SPECIFIC group un-fun, and that worked out for the best. Ironically, our banned list includes cards like Goblin Game, Kismet, and anything that says 'flip a coin'.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-10-02 05:17pm

Oh yeah, almost forgot. After he played Illusions of Grandeur I was basically just sitting there going "Okay, so when is he gonna Donate it to me?"

Kinda sad when you can see your defeat coming. Course, it's cause my brother has a more effective version of that kinda deck. I stand by what I said Exon...get some War Tax for that deck. People will almost never be able to attack.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-10-02 05:19pm

LadyTevar wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Yes, Ancestral Recall is restricted. Every one of the Power Nine is.
Then Cyran and Exo need to replay, with all but one of those 'bunch of Ancestral Recalls' taken out of Exo's black deck.

If you're going to play, use the rules, please.

Meh, I don't care.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-10-02 07:05pm

Yes, it's restricted. I'm playing casually... If you don't want to play against a deck like that, I could use other decks which are legal...

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-10-03 02:07am

Exonorate I highly doubt you have $1000 dollars worth of cards, like 4 ancestrals would cost. Its poor sportsmanship to play with that much money worth of cards you do not own. I can get 4 Ancestrals, but with all you have said and all your deck ideas posted, I highly doubt you could scrounge them up.
Sorry to burst your bubble but thats sad. Its very much akin to cheating.

By the way, would anyone like to play this weekend. I wanna test out burning tendrils, and I don't have anyone to play with. Anyone who would actually play t1 would be apreciated. Play anything you like, as long as it is T1, or I will play Jar and you will not have fun.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-10-03 08:50am

Leaving aside the fact that Apprentice itself is entirely faux as far as real Magic is concerned, exactly how is it cheating to play casually therein with Ancestral Recalls, DH? Is there some unspoken law that says that in order to use fake cards in a work-around free program, one has to own the cards first?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-10-03 09:00am

Dark Hellion wrote:Exonorate I highly doubt you have $1000 dollars worth of cards, like 4 ancestrals would cost. Its poor sportsmanship to play with that much money worth of cards you do not own. I can get 4 Ancestrals, but with all you have said and all your deck ideas posted, I highly doubt you could scrounge them up.
Sorry to burst your bubble but thats sad. Its very much akin to cheating.

By the way, would anyone like to play this weekend. I wanna test out burning tendrils, and I don't have anyone to play with. Anyone who would actually play t1 would be apreciated. Play anything you like, as long as it is T1, or I will play Jar and you will not have fun.

I'll play, my deck is T1 and I only use cards I really have(or my rebels would be bitchin' with Coat of Arms and Lin Sivvi)

Frankly, I was tempted to make a deck on apprentice without limiting myself to the cards I had.

For about 30 seconds. Having total and complete access to everything in a game makes it unfun. Like when you play Diablo with trainers or hacked equipment, or use power overwhelming or whos your daddy. If you play with it all the time, it just stops being fun.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-10-03 12:42pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
Dark Hellion wrote:Exonorate I highly doubt you have $1000 dollars worth of cards, like 4 ancestrals would cost. Its poor sportsmanship to play with that much money worth of cards you do not own. I can get 4 Ancestrals, but with all you have said and all your deck ideas posted, I highly doubt you could scrounge them up.
Sorry to burst your bubble but thats sad. Its very much akin to cheating.

By the way, would anyone like to play this weekend. I wanna test out burning tendrils, and I don't have anyone to play with. Anyone who would actually play t1 would be apreciated. Play anything you like, as long as it is T1, or I will play Jar and you will not have fun.
I'll play, my deck is T1 and I only use cards I really have(or my rebels would be bitchin' with Coat of Arms and Lin Sivvi)

Frankly, I was tempted to make a deck on apprentice without limiting myself to the cards I had.

For about 30 seconds. Having total and complete access to everything in a game makes it unfun. Like when you play Diablo with trainers or hacked equipment, or use power overwhelming or whos your daddy. If you play with it all the time, it just stops being fun.

Considering that the last box I bought was 6th Ed, if I play by 'what I have', I'd be using Revised thru 6th Ed, and miss out on some of the better new cards now available.

Also, Apprentice allows me to make 'theme' decks, such as Slivers, Cats, Dragons, etc.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-10-03 08:43pm

Lagmonster, there is a differance between what LadyTevar does, which I perfectly agree with, and what Exonorate does. LadyTevar could easily go out and buy almost all her deck for less than $50 I am rather sure, adn have only 6-10 proxies totaling maybe $200, whereas Exonorate would have to spend $1000 or make 1k worth of proxies. Now I can borrow 3 and a half sets of P9 on short order, but, again, with everything I have seen Exonorate cannot. You see why him making a deck with 4 Ancestrals might be somewhat more unsporting than me??
Now, I have no problem with proxy P9. I will probably never buy any P9 except maybe twister (cuz i like the pic), but I have access, easily. In fact, as long as they are restricted, I think that proxy P9 should always be allowed, it makes it fair, and the people who want P9 will pay, just to have a pimp deck. But 4 Ancestrals, boo. boo. That is still wrong, and whoever he was playing should feel very... well, bad.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-10-03 08:58pm

Dark Hellion wrote:Lagmonster, there is a differance between what LadyTevar does, which I perfectly agree with, and what Exonorate does. LadyTevar could easily go out and buy almost all her deck for less than $50 I am rather sure, adn have only 6-10 proxies totaling maybe $200, whereas Exonorate would have to spend $1000 or make 1k worth of proxies. Now I can borrow 3 and a half sets of P9 on short order, but, again, with everything I have seen Exonorate cannot. You see why him making a deck with 4 Ancestrals might be somewhat more unsporting than me??
Now, I have no problem with proxy P9. I will probably never buy any P9 except maybe twister (cuz i like the pic), but I have access, easily. In fact, as long as they are restricted, I think that proxy P9 should always be allowed, it makes it fair, and the people who want P9 will pay, just to have a pimp deck. But 4 Ancestrals, boo. boo. That is still wrong, and whoever he was playing should feel very... well, bad.

Then don't play me if you don't want to do so... If you're only going to be playing with cards you own, then that defeats the purpose of Apprentice, since you could just draw and play over AIM or something. I don't play tourney, I play casually. If somebody wants to play T1 or T2 only decks, then I'll oblige, but since you don't actually play against me, forgive me if I don't really care what you think...

And I do have decks that are actually affordable and realistic on Apprentice.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-10-03 09:17pm

Thats not casual, thats the point. Thousands of dollars worth of 9 year old rares cannot be claimed to be casual unless the win method was so asanine that the deck would only rarely win. Otherwise it is giving yourself an extremely unfair, and usporting advantage. Even when you play monopoly against someone better than you, you don't begin with 10,000 extra dollars, you just try harder. You are begining with thousands worth of extra cards that you cannot easily possess. Now 1 of would be fine, even 2 of some, but 4 A. Recalls is overkill. It is the best card ever, and the second most broken, playing 4 is tantimount to simple cheating.
Don't get pissy about it, but that is poor sportsmanship even in casual play. Sorry, but it makes you look like an ass to veterans, and it isn't in anyway actually casual.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-10-03 09:25pm

Then add in your own Ancestrial Recalls, nobody is stopping you. Oh, or you're too moral to do that... If you don't want to play with somebody whom you consider to be cheating or somebody who you consider to have poor sportsmanship, then don't.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-10-03 09:37pm

What the fuck are you talking about. I am talking about you playing with $1000+ of cards you don't own. I would play 4 A. recalls in casual. I would play Jar, and win turn 1 90% of the time. then i would get board and play shard phoenix, or Marsh viper/hermatic study. Still with 4 recalls, but they would be fun, and interesting to play.
Your are simply cheating your opponents, which is what I would be doing with Jar. You are acting like a child, who realizes that he cheat at a game for the first time. Your act is so grandiouse that it is stupid to an outside viewer. I can make academy, or a very broken version of long, or Infinite turns loop, and not feel bad, and not use cards I don't have a phone call away. I wouldn't do so, because it is unsporting to use 7k worth of cards that I know the opponent has no access to. You still seem to think that apprentice somehow invalidates the fact that you are playing with an extra used car worth of cars.
Now if you want to prove your a dumbass who is new to the idea of P9, go to the MTGnews forums or somewhere, instead of here, where you have an experienced player to point out your idiocy.