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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... recall_986
Harassment Allegations Dog Schwarzenegger
By JIM WASSERMAN, Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - As Arnold Schwarzenegger prepared to capitalize on his lead in polls with a state bus tour on Thursday, fresh allegations surfaced that he sexually harassed women in the past.

Six women accused the Republican actor in interviews with the Los Angeles Times of groping them on movie sets and in other settings over the last three decades, the newspaper reported in Thursday editions.

Schwarzenegger spokesman Sean Walsh denied the allegations in comments to the Times, saying the actor had not engaged in improper conduct toward women. Walsh said the claims were a political attack in the days leading up to the Oct. 7 recall election.

"We believe Democrats and others are using this to try to hurt Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign," Walsh said. "We believe that this is coming so close before the election, something that discourages good, hard-working, decent people from running for office."

The allegations come as momentum has been building for the Schwarzenegger camp, with a new poll showing the actor leading the other candidates.

In a show of confidence Wednesday, Schwarzenegger offered a short blueprint for his first 100 days in office, repeating promises to repeal the tripling of the state car tax, have the state budget audited and call a special legislative session to deal with spending cuts.

"We are ready to take office," he told a crowd of about 400 supporters. "We are ready to take action. We are ready to return California to the people."

Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites)' campaign spokesman, Peter Ragone, countered that it was a mistake for Schwarzenegger to "start measuring the drapes in the offices of the Capitol."

Davis appeared Wednesday with retired Gen. Wesley Clark (news - web sites), a presidential candidate and the latest high-profile Democrat to visit California in support of the governor.

He later appeared with his newest convert, independent Arianna Huffington, who dropped out of the race Tuesday and promised to work with Davis to defeat the recall and keep Schwarzenegger out of office.

At the event with Clark outside a firehouse museum, Davis used his most direct language yet to cast the recall as a choice between himself and Schwarzenegger.

"We have to speak to independents and Democrats in blunt terms," he said. "They have one choice. Unite to defeat this recall and stop Mr. Schwarzenegger or face the prospect that Mr. Schwarzenegger will be governor."

Schwarzenegger was set to embark Thursday on a four-day bus tour heavily advertising the candidate's Hollywood ties. Schwarzenegger will be riding on a bus nicknamed Running Man, the campaign staff on Total Recall.

Walsh said Schwarzenegger would not comment on the sexual misconduct allegations in the Times. Contacted late Wednesday by The Associated Press, Schwarzenegger spokesman Todd Harris said: "We stand by our comments which were published in the story." He declined further comment.

The Times said it interviewed the women over the last seven weeks during an investigation into whether Schwarzenegger harassed women. The Times said none of the women approached the newspaper on her own, none was identified by Schwarzenegger's rivals in the recall race, and none had filed legal action against the actor.

Two of the women allowed their names to be used; four spoke on condition of anonymity.

E. Laine Stockton told the Times she was groped by Schwarzenegger in 1975 at Gold's Gym in Venice. Stockton claimed the bodybuilder came up from behind her, reached under her T-shirt to grab her breast and then walked away. She was 19 at the time.



"I was just shocked, shocked to the point where I almost didn't know how to react, because it was so out of the blue and so unexpected," she told the newspaper.

Anna Richardson, a British television host, said Schwarzenegger touched her breast when she was interviewing him in 2000 on a promotional tour for "The Sixth Day." Richardson, who previously told Premiere magazine about the alleged incident, was accused by a Hollywood publicist then working with Schwarzenegger of fabricating the story.

Others interviewed included two crew members working in 1990 on "Terminator 2: Judgment Day." One woman, now 41, said Schwarzenegger groped her at least three times in an elevator at the hotel where the cast and crew were staying.

The other woman, now in her 30s, said Schwarzenegger pulled her into his lap and whispered vulgarities while other men watched.

Three of the women who spoke on condition of anonymity said being named could jeopardize their careers; the fourth feared public ridicule or harm to her husband's business.

Schwarzenegger's alleged past indiscretions have been an issue in the campaign since he announced his bid for governor. Much of the controversy has surrounded a 1977 interview in Oui magazine in which Schwarzenegger talked about engaging in group sex. The actor has said he doesn't remember it.

On Tuesday, a new Los Angeles Times poll showed Schwarzenegger had support from 40 percent of likely voters in the recall election. Democrat Lt. Gov. Bustamante had 32 percent, and Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock had 15 percent.

The poll also showed the effort to oust Davis succeeding, 56 percent to 42 percent. That marked a shift from a Sept. 12 Times poll that found 50 percent in favor of recalling Davis and 47 percent opposed. The latest poll surveyed 815 likely voters Sept. 25-29 and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The earlier poll had found Bustamante leading with 30 percent to Schwarzenegger's 25 percent. McClintock had 18 percent.

McClintock, who has promised to remain in the race despite urging from some Republicans to drop out, said he would support Schwarzenegger's efforts in Sacramento if the actor won the election.

"I actually personally like the guy," McClintock said in Thursday's Los Angeles Times. "But I am very skeptical of the team he has surrounded himself with."
I don't know about you, but the timing of this is pretty 'convient' if you ask me.

Can we say 'desperate smeer tactics?'

I mean, realistically, if he did do this to these women in the past, wouldn't they have spoken up about this by now?
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Sauce for the goose, gentlemen. HOW many utterly unsubstantiated sexual harassment/rape charges were brought against the most recent ex-President and trumpeted as fact by the VRWC?
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If he ever touched those "sorry for saying it" bitches it happened a long time ago probably before he married Maria,and it may have been consentual(sp) :roll:
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Iceberg wrote:Sauce for the goose, gentlemen. HOW many utterly unsubstantiated sexual harassment/rape charges were brought against the most recent ex-President and trumpeted as fact by the VRWC?
Yeah, the VRWC, that's right... :roll:
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How many people here want Arnold to get into power?
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2000AD wrote:How many people here want Arnold to get into power?
I don't agree with many of his viewpoints but when looking at what sort of people he's up against I'd rather have him than some of the other kooks running for governor.
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Iceberg Wrote:
Sauce for the goose, gentlemen. HOW many utterly unsubstantiated sexual harassment/rape charges were brought against the most recent ex-President and trumpeted as fact by the VRWC?
Lets list them shall we.. :)
five month investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.''

Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas woman who worked on Bill Clinton's campaign when he was attorney general, told NBC's Lisa Meyers two weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC, under intense pressure by the White House, shelved the interview. The White House also threatened Fox News Tuesday after it reported the story.

But Broaddrick's story is only one account of many sexual assaults by Clinton. Among the other incidents:

A 1969 charge by a 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford University campus where the future President was a student. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed this week that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;

In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, who was a law student at the college. No charges were filed;

In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law professor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him and she left the school shortly after the incident.
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's attorney general campaign, said he raped her in 1978;

From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor reported seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually.

Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen, told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. She later recanted that interview and said had been threatened by Clinton supporters into claiming the sex was consensual.

Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with a cash payment.

A former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. The woman has since married and left Washington.

Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

Quite a list
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Caught a bit of news today (long time since that last happened :) ) and saw that some dude whose name I couldn't catch has got 50% while Arnold has 40-something. Who's that dude? Davis? :?
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And where is that list from?
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Here ya go Iceberg.. http://www.romanceopedia.com/H-9.html

Just for fun..
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According to The Mercury News, Arnold has acknowledged that he sometimes behaved badly.

The LA Times's polls have generally been in conflict with others ones (such as Gallup) in terms of who leads.
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Try again. Half this shit isn't in there, and of the stuff that is, much of the detail you include is omitted.

If true, it does represent reprehensible behavior on the part of the former president.

If false, it represents even MORE reprehensible behavior on the part of his critics, including YOU.
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Iceberg.. for a Vikings fan you should have a better sense of humor
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Solauren wrote: I don't know about you, but the timing of this is pretty 'convient' if you ask me.

Can we say 'desperate smeer tactics?'

I mean, realistically, if he did do this to these women in the past, wouldn't they have spoken up about this by now?
Arnold has apologized this morning for how he has treated women in the past. Why would he do that if he has not done such things in the past.

Why is it that everyone thinks a women would automatically spoken up about a groping. If you are a trying to break into an industry and a leader of that industry harasses you, guess what happens when you complain. Your career is over before it starts.

Note, these women did not get together and find the LA times . The Times found them from what Ive heard on the radio and local papers.
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Digging stuff up like this at this point in the campaign is still smear tactics, plain and simple.
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Solauren wrote:Digging stuff up like this at this point in the campaign is still smear tactics, plain and simple.
Are you consistent? Do you believe all allegations against Clinton were smear?

Do you excuse sexual assualt? No big deal right?
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theski wrote:Iceberg.. for a Vikings fan you should have a better sense of humor
Pretty lame. You bring up a whole bunch of charges that never went anywhere in any sense of the term, can't back them up, and when I call your ass on it, you whine that I don't have a sense of humor. Pretty lame indeed. Almost as lame as the excuses being made up by Packers fans the morning after the Vikings spanked them in their newly-renovated Lambeau Field. That dog don't hunt.
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Iceberg... did you notice My avatar... I was born and raised in MINN

Christ it was a joke.. maybe you need the :wink: :wink: to help

and Fuck the Packers
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theski wrote:Iceberg... did you notice My avatar... I was born and raised in MINN
I kinda guessed. I figured either you were born and raised here or you were a transplant, one of the two.
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I don't so much mind the Packers themselves - it's the asshole fans.
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Yes FUCK the packers indeed! And the bills, And the Jets, and the Texans, and the cowboys.

anyway. I think Ahnuld for gov. will be a nice change. He doesn't appeatr to be a slave to special interests, and has enough money to tell them to piss off if offered any from a group the people disagree with. Plus he has near ZERO political experience-just what California needs. I think a fresh set of eyes and a new outlook will work wonders for the embattled state. I honestly believe he would make a great governor, for those simple reasons. Just MHO 8)
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Chardok wrote: anyway. I think Ahnuld for gov. will be a nice change. He doesn't appeatr to be a slave to special interests, and has enough money to tell them to piss off if offered any from a group the people disagree with. Plus he has near ZERO political experience-just what California needs. I think a fresh set of eyes and a new outlook will work wonders for the embattled state. I honestly believe he would make a great governor, for those simple reasons. Just MHO 8)
I agree with zero political experience might be a refreshing change. But dont believe the BS that he does not take money from special interests. He does. He just does not take it from the traditional ones that support Demos.
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The fact that it is an newspaper article instead on inditments from a prosecutor leads me to believe that it is more a political attack than anything. Truely if the women were that offended, even after all these years, it would be a lawyer not a reporter that they should be talking too.

Four of the six aren't even named. One of the women just said that Arnold inappropratly touched her breast. Alot of the infomaition is inflamitory but not to conclusive. Yup, political attack, nothing more at this point. I don't think it will wash though. Sure, some will change their votes from Arnie to either MCClintock or 'No' on the recall. But I don't think enough will buy the report to sink Arnie. Not in the next five days anyways.
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I recall in one of the T2 special editions, that Linda Hamilton said Arnold went up behind her sister and grabbed her breats, thinking it was Linda....
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Well, since he has no prior political experience candidates can dig up dirt on, they have to point to Arnold's past alleged sexual exploits.
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This really isnt new. There have been rumblings that he is like this for some time. His apology this morning is interesting. Unlike most politicians, he is not going to wag his finger and deny it. While not coming out and saying "yes, ive grabbed titties withouth permission" he apologizes for "bad behavior". I think this takes away the "conterversy" aspect to the whole deal. So, he is probably a pig. Maybe he has reformed. It is now harder to claim he is hiding something as say Bob Packard did.
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