Getting Medieval

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-10-02 04:48pm

Police Seizes Medieval Weapons

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-10-02 04:57pm

I was worried for the Quebequan SCA members!

Wonder why Quebec considers them Illegal?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-10-02 05:07pm

Flails, illegal? Ridiculous! You can't hurt anyone with a flail!
*Splinters skull playing with flail*

Reminds me of when a former roomate said that he saw two guys having a swordfight in an alley once, he also thought it looked like fun. (This was the guy who said that he thought Janeway was "sexy as hell", especially her voice....)

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-10-02 08:18pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Flails, illegal? Ridiculous! You can't hurt anyone with a flail!
*Splinters skull playing with flail*

Reminds me of when a former roomate said that he saw two guys having a swordfight in an alley once, he also thought it looked like fun. (This was the guy who said that he thought Janeway was "sexy as hell", especially her voice....)

Maybe your roommate was talking about the swordfight in Highlander.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-10-02 08:24pm

Well, one Saturday night, I was with a few friends, alcohol and far too many medieval and eastern weapons.

One thing leads to another and before you know it there are groups of us having "points" matches right next to a major road (and in the middle of another) with such things as 2x Machete vs Claymore, or Bo-staff vs Longsword.

With a group of onlookers including some amused policemen who eventually moved on.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-03 05:42am

Just once, I'd like to see a swordfight in a crowded area, it'd be kinda cool.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-10-03 07:50am

Gandalf wrote:Just once, I'd like to see a swordfight in a crowded area, it'd be kinda cool.

What would you find cool in this,the actual swordfight or all the decapitated bodies around.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-03 08:04am

Montcalm wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Just once, I'd like to see a swordfight in a crowded area, it'd be kinda cool.
What would you find cool in this,the actual swordfight or all the decapitated bodies around.

More along the lines of, middle of a shopping mall, 2 or more guys pull swords and go at it.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-10-03 10:54am

For flails, the general Canadian law is any weapon using weights on a chain is illegal, including flails, manrikigusari, etc.

This is a list of prohibited weapons. Its only really applicable to Americans if you want to drive to Alaska with your arsenal. These are illegal in Canada, you *can't* get a permit to own one:

Prohibited firearms and weapons

Prohibited weapons are not allowed to enter Canada. It is a criminal offence for any person not authorized by law to possess a prohibited weapon in Canada.

Prohibited weapons include:

• Devices designed to muffle or stop the sound of a firearm, such as silencers.

• "Switchblade" knives or other knives that ca’ opened by centrifugal force or spring pressure.

• Fully automatic firearms, even if they are subsequently altered to not fire automatically.

• Sawed-off rifles or shotguns, where the bar is shorter than 457 mm (18 in.), or the over length is less than 660 mm (26 in.).

• Any large-capacity cartridge magazine of a type prescribed by regulation. Regulations concerning large-capacity cartridge magazines, and legislation concerning importing these magazines into Canada for competition purposes will come into effect on July 1, 1993. For more information about these regulations, contact the Department of Justice Canada, 239 Wellington Street, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A OH8. Telephone: (613) 957-4222.

• Any firearm, weapon or device that is specifically designated as a prohibited weapon by Order in Council such as:

Shotguns

• Franchi SPAS 12, LAW 12
• USAS-12 auto shotgun
• Striker 12 and the "Streetsweeper"

Rifles and Carbines

• Sterling MK-6 carbine (semi-automatic version)
• Gepard long range sniper rifle and variants
• Steyr AUG rifle (semi-automatic version)
• Heckler and Koch (HK) Model G11 and variants
• American 180 auto carbine and variants
• Illinois Arms Co. Model 180 auto carbine
• Barrett "Light Fifty’ Model 82A1, Model 90 rifle and variants
• Iver Johnson AMAC long range rifle and variants
• Calico M-900, M-951, M-100 and M-105 and variants
• McMillan M87, M87R, M88 and variants
• Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine and variants
• Encom MK-IV, MP-9, MP-45 and variants
• FAMAS rifle, MAS 23, FAMAS Export, FAMAS Civil and Mitchell MAS/22 and variants
• Research Armament Industries (RAI) Model 500 rifle and variants
• Spectre auto carbine and variants
• Feather AT-9 semi-auto and Feather AT-22 auto carbine, and variants
• US Arms PMAl "Assault" 22 rifle and variants
• Federal XC - 50 auto rifle, XC-900 and XC-220 and variants
• Weaver Arms Nighthawk carbine and variants

Assault Pistols

• MAC and Ingram type pistol (semi-automatic version)
• Iver Johnson Enforcers, Model 3000 auto pistol, Plainfield Super Enforcer carbine and variants
• Partisan Avenger auto pistol (semi-automatic version)
• Leader Mark 5 auto pistol and variants• UZI series (semi-automatic version)
• Skorpion auto pistol and variants
• Bushmaster auto pistol and variants
• Spectre auto pistol and variants
• Calico M-110, M-950 and variants
• Sterling Mk 7, Mk 7C4, Mk 7C8 pistols and variants
• Encom MK-IV, MP-9, MP-45 and variants
• Universal Enforcer, Model 3000 auto carbine, Model 3010N, Model 3015G, Model 3020 RB, Model 3025TCO and variants
• Federal XP-450, XP-900 auto pistols and variants
• US Arms PMAIP "Assault" 22 pistol and variants
• Concz High-Tech long pistol and variants
• Heckler and Koch (HK) SP89 auto pistol and variants
• Intraec TEC-9 auto pistol, TEC-9M, TEC-9MS, TEC-22T, TEC-22TM, and variants

Ammunition - Armour piercing handgun cartridges, explosive or incendiary projectiles up to 15 mm) cartridges, and for small arms (bore up 15 mm) cartridges and shotgun cartridges containing "flechettes".

Accessories and Components - A "bull pup" stock for rifles and carbines, and trigger enhancement devices designed to fire semi-automatic firearms in a fully automatic manner.

Other Weapons

• Tear gas, mace, other gas, liquid, spray, powder or other substance capable of injuring, immobilizing or incapacitating a person
• Constant Companion (belt-buckle knife)
• Spiked Wristband
• Yaqua Blowgun
• Kiyoga Baton, Steel Cobra, Morning Star
• Nunchaku, Shuriken, Manrikiguasari or Kusari
• Brass Knuckles
• Taser Public Defender, Stun Guns
• Finger Ring (with blade or blades, or sharp objects)
• SSS-1 Stinger (all calibres)
• Any similar devices

The source

The site also lists the restricted weapons. You can get a special permit to own one.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-10-03 11:10am

So, if I bought an old military surplus M14 that had had the automatic firing mechanism disabled beyond repair, I couldn't use that gun to hunt or target shoot with in Canada? Weird...

Anyhoo, about the medieval weapons. I would like to know the stats on how many crimes have been carried out with them in the last 30 years...

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-10-03 11:37am

Nathan F wrote:So, if I bought an old military surplus M14 that had had the automatic firing mechanism disabled beyond repair, I couldn't use that gun to hunt or target shoot with in Canada? Weird...

I'm not sure. I know the M-16 and AR-15 are restricted weapons (you can get a permit), but I don't think you can hunt with them. I believe the restricted weapons permit limits how you can use it (you need to tell them why you want it, for example: collection, shooting club).

I don't think weapons modified to single shot are OK, each gun would have to be inspected, it would be cumbersome, I don't think the gov't wants to deal with that. I think it would be OK if the gun was sold in a single-shot varient.

If you are an American, you can get a temporary permit for restricted weapons only to attent an approved shooting competition. In that case the weapon has to be shipped to the destination in bond via courier, then shipped back to the U.S. the same way.

Anyhoo, about the medieval weapons. I would like to know the stats on how many crimes have been carried out with them in the last 30 years...

You have a point. A gang member isn't going to carry a giant medival flail... its just a blanket rule that they've applied that unfortunately gets serious collectors in trouble every so often. Thankfully swords are just considered big knives.