I don't know where to begin with what's wrong with this.....

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 12:52am

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story. ... tm&sc=1110

Minn. Teen Arrested After Dead Baby Found

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - A 14-year-old girl who was found to have given birth after she was hospitalized with stomach pains was arrested Friday when paramedics found a dead newborn inside a shoe box at her home.

Police said the girl secretly gave birth at home Thursday, then strangled the full-term infant with a sock. The medical examiner's office was working to determine the cause of death.

``We got some sense that she was afraid of what the reaction would be with her family and how they would accept the pregnancy,'' said St. Paul Police Cmdr. Nancy DiPerna. ``She apparently saw this as her only option.''

The girl, whose name has not been released because she is a juvenile, had not been charged Friday.

The girl's 22-year-old boyfriend, Marvin Alex Alvizurez, was arrested and charged with first-degree criminal sexual conduct for having a sexual relationship that began when the girl was 12. Alvizurez, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, lived at the same address as the girl.

Paramedics had been called to the duplex where the girl lived when she complained of stomach pain, police said.

Paramedics told her mother to take her to the hospital, but initially did not realize a child had been born because there were no signs of childbirth at the scene, said Dave Erickson, emergency medical services coordinator for the St. Paul fire department. The girl wore a large housecoat, had healthy vital signs and denied she was pregnant, Erickson said.

Paramedics returned to the home after it was determined at the hospital that the girl had given birth.

The girl's family told police they did not know she had been pregnant.

Where to begin with what's wrong with this....

Well, let's see, what the hell was a 14 year old doing NOT living at home with her parents?
Considering the age of consent in Minnesiota (according to www.ageofconsent.com) is 16, I'm going to assume the age for moving out is around the same, if not older.
What the hell are the girls parents smoking?

How can you not know your 14 year old daughter is pregnant?

How can you let your 12 year old daughter date someone 10 years older then her? (Especially with age of consent being 16)
An illegal immigrant at that. (note: I acknowledge that the family may not have known his immigration status, or lack thereof. Also, just because someone is a immigrant does not make them a bad choice for dating, but an illegal immigrant started off in the country by breaking the law to get in.)

Did she strangle the baby, or did the father?

Man, all I can say is, this is fucked up

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-10-05 12:59am

Fucked up in so many ways, agreed.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-05 01:05am

o.O... The ONLY way that I know of that a person can move out of their parents' home without their consent while underaged is to have applied for (and been granted) emancipation.

Second, wtf is a kid doing with someone eight years older than her?

This disgusts me..

~ver

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-10-05 01:07am

That child could have been the one to cure cancer. We will never know.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 01:12am

Even if emancipated, doesn't the Age of Consent law still apply?

And I agree, 12 years old dating someone 8+ years older is wrong.

Then again, I'm one to talk, my girlfriend was 15 and I was 22 when we started dating.

She'd also been living on her own more or less for 3 years (single father, divorced parents, refused to talk to mother who tossed her out at 12, and her dad worked 2 weeks of 'days', 2 of 'afternoons', 2 of 'evenings')

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-10-05 01:25am

What the hell would a teenage girl be doing with an illegal immigrant eight years older than her while she was still below the age of consent, and outside her parent's home? If those were the circumstances, I'm not surprised she got in this situation.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 01:35am

Could the parents of the girl be charged in this in some way? i.e Child Abandonment?

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-05 01:39am

Solauren wrote:Could the parents of the girl be charged in this in some way? i.e Child Abandonment?

Actually, if she ran away, child neglect wouldn't apply. Trust me on this from personal experience and having run away before. Child abandonment laws only apply to outright neglect of the child(ren), staying out of the home for prolonged periods of time, refusing to feed and otherwise take care of the kid(s). This I also know from personal experience.

~ver

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 01:50am

Well, my concern is the parents obviously knew where she was living, with an illegal alien, and was under the age of consent.

If she wasn't old enough to move out on her own, can't the police come along and go 'okay kid, time to go home'

IF they could have had that (and I have known it to happen to friends around here so), then to me, not doing it counts as child abandonment.

To me, running away means your parents not knowing where you are.
Child Abandonment starts when you know where the kid is, they are legally not old enough to move out, and you not doing something about it.

I guess we lack the info to know for sure

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-10-05 02:26am

Right.. too many "ifs" here.

~ver

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-10-05 04:52am

Where does it say that she wasn't living at home?
Where does it say that her parents knew she was having sexual relations with a 22 year old?

It is possible to have a sexual relationship while living at home and not have your parents know about it, even as young as 12 (I've seen it)
As for pregnancy, sometimes it is possible to hide pregnancies, especially if you don't put on much weight. And a 14 year old girl who doesn't have a particularly vocal relationship with her parents may well put off telling anyone until it's too late. Kids do that.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-10-05 03:50pm

I know

This story is certainly fucked up. I wish I could find a follow up

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-10-05 04:33pm

InnerBrat wrote:Where does it say that she wasn't living at home?

It doesnt, it just says the duplex where she lived, and that her mother was there. And since she was worried about her family's reaction to the pregnancy, it's implied she did have contact with them even if she wasnt living with them.

Where does it say that her parents knew she was having sexual relations with a 22 year old?

It doesnt.

It is possible to have a sexual relationship while living at home and not have your parents know about it, even as young as 12 (I've seen it)
As for pregnancy, sometimes it is possible to hide pregnancies, especially if you don't put on much weight. And a 14 year old girl who doesn't have a particularly vocal relationship with her parents may well put off telling anyone until it's too late. Kids do that.

You're very right there.