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FNC just reported that he had (is having?) a second brain surgery operation. Apparently several blood vessels in the neck had been severed, and he lost a lot of blood. Although they didn't discuss it, I wonder if there could be brain damage.beyond hope wrote:Critical condition according to CNN.
Clear Acess? If you know a guy who knows a guy thats all you really need. Especially if you steal the monkey you ould ask a low price for it and still make a profit. Granted not everything in a zoo is worthwhile on the market, but those animals are usually edible as well, and IRaqis in poverty seeking something to eat wouldnt mind that. I cannot recall if it was former Yugoslavia, or East Timor, or both where that indeed happened. Zoos tend to become supermarkets in those situations.Axis Kast wrote:A black market trade in monekys there may be, but would people in Baghdad - especially the rank and file of looters - have clear access to it? These are now well-outfitted poachers. What about the other animals? Not everything kept in a zoo is worthwhile on the market - especially if you can't move it easily.
Alledgedly they used a fire extinguisher to get it off. They train for this sort of thing.Chardok wrote:Poor Roy...I sure hope he gets better and stays in the biz...If he dies...jesus alot of good famous people dying this year. Whos next? Wayne Newton? It's never the people you WANT to see die....
AAA- (as an aside) {I will now use AAA instead of As an aside...i use it so often, and i'm sick of typing it. you all know me well enough by now, anyway. Bah.) so....
AAA- anyone know what they plan on doing with the tiger? Surely they won't kill it! I also wonder how they finally did get it off of poor Roy...good thing they hit him with a tranquilizerdoken...coulda hurt somone in the audience (Einy is going to kill me for the blatant rip off of his famous Railgundoken attack)
Er...what does that have to do with the unlikeliness of them firing guns will-nilly?Axis Kast wrote:... and yet these are the same people perfectly willing to reach in and remove most of the zoo's wild animals from their cages ...Actually, they'd probably avoid shooting guns if they had them. They would probably be afraid (ironically) of spooking the animals. Unless two rival gangs met or American soldiers entered the zoo to fight the looters I'd be quite surprised to learn that any rounds were fired.
This has got to be the funniest exchange I've ever read. Mike demands that you provide evidence of looters in the immediate area, and that demand just sails straight over your head as you continue to insist that your imaginary looters must have had guns and were firing shots in the area.Axis Kast wrote:Some looters probably had guns. It's only common sense to assume that some of them fired off rounds in the zoo compound.For the umpteenth time, if you have a source for looters committing violence around the tiger's immediate vicinity in Baghdad, please provide it. Otherwise, you are hereby found guilty of 50 counts of repetitive bullshitting.
Some animals were literally removed from the area. It's only common sense to assume that they raised a common - which would have signaled danger to which natural tigers would react.
And none of this "proving a negative" crap. Your assertion by silence that the looting of the zoo was somehow orderly flies completely in the face of probability.
I agree with this, i recall seeing a bbc documentary on the wildlife in Alaska fairly recently, the polar bears there often walk into the towns and eat from the rubbish bins and stuff, and they set giant traps for them(non lethal things, like big pipes with gratings), then take them back away from the towns and release them.Traceroute wrote:<tangent>
More of a side note, but in major US national parks, such as Yellowstone and Yosemite, bears have become very tolerant of humans.Darth Wong wrote:No, bears tend to avoid humans under normal circumstances.Axis Kast wrote: Bears will enter human zones routinely if food is left out. Hell, many human beings go looking for bears.
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Have you finished with the Sheppard chatbot yet?Durandal wrote: You simply can't be a human being. You've got to be a chat bot. Who designed you? If I type "/about" will you return extreme right-wing propaganda?
Link to full story.Horn told the tiger to lie down. When it refused, Horn tapped the cat on the nose with a microphone to get its attention. The animal grabbed at Horn's arm, causing the entertainer to stumble.
The tiger then lunged at Horn, who tried to beat the animal away with the microphone. Audience members said the tiger dragged Horn off the stage by the neck. The attack barely missed severing Horn's carotid artery.
BattleTech for SilCoreStanley Hauerwas wrote:[W]hy is it that no one is angry at the inequality of income in this country? I mean, the inequality of income is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Why isn’t that ever an issue of politics? Because you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a plutocracy. Money rules.
Its not that hard. In some Africa nations there's an extensive program to move Giraffes and other wildlife out of shrinking habitats and into parks and reserve where they'll have chance. To move Garraifs they simply herd them into a truck with high sides, using a giant canvas funnel, and drive them to where they need to be taken. At no point is any form of drugging necessary.Axis Kast wrote: The article claims many of the animals are headed for the black market, but I fail to see how Iraqis might transport one of two giraffes not killed for food.
News stories reported the show is postponed indefinitely (due to Roy being in the hospital), and MGM doesn't want to create false hopes in the crew. I believe they were told to seek new jobs, but that they'll be the top choices if the show does return.beyond hope wrote:Siegfried and Roy apparently have an agreement that if one of them dies or is seriously injured, the show is over. My girlfriend (who works at the MGM Grand) was telling me that they've told 250 of the cast to find new work.
As Roy was being taken to the hospital, he said not to put down Montecore.I haven't heard what's supposed to happen to the tiger, but people who know him have been saying he would oppose it being put down.
This wouldn't surprise me at all. A bear sells for about $3000; half for its gall bladder and the other half for meat and skin. Gibbons are about $200 each. Between 1975 and 1992 over six tonnes of tiger bones were illegally imported into South Korea, which represents somewhere around 750 tigers. Rhinoceros horns sell for about $10,000 a pound. A leopard coat is worth $20,000. The black market in animals is very lucrative. Scotland Yard estimates that worldwide, animal trafficking generates roughly $5 billion USD per year.Axis Kast wrote:And all the other animals at the zoo? I seriously question the validity of claims that upwards of 200 animals are all headed for the black market -
BattleTech for SilCoreStanley Hauerwas wrote:[W]hy is it that no one is angry at the inequality of income in this country? I mean, the inequality of income is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Why isn’t that ever an issue of politics? Because you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a plutocracy. Money rules.
Are most Iraqis likely to have the same information as yourself?This wouldn't surprise me at all. A bear sells for about $3000; half for its gall bladder and the other half for meat and skin. Gibbons are about $200 each. Between 1975 and 1992 over six tonnes of tiger bones were illegally imported into South Korea, which represents somewhere around 750 tigers. Rhinoceros horns sell for about $10,000 a pound. A leopard coat is worth $20,000. The black market in animals is very lucrative. Scotland Yard estimates that worldwide, animal trafficking generates roughly $5 billion USD per year.
When laws were passed to stop illegal trade, over 3,000 seizures were made in 6 months in Italy. 4 British dealers were found to have 127 illegal rhinoceros horns. A single shop in Mayfair had over 130 illegal items. There is definitely a market for exotic animals, and 200 of them would be a rather small number to slip into that market.
linkyWASHINGTON (CNN) -- Roy Horn, magician, tiger-trainer and Las Vegas superstar, was maimed by one of his own tigers, in front of a live audience last week.
As Horn lay in a Las Vegas hospital, still fighting for his life, his longtime partner in showbiz made a startling assertion. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Larry King, Siegfried Fischbacher said this was no mauling.
"Roy was falling. He fell and wanted the protect because that's danger, you know? An animal like this and tripping and gone over there ... So he took Roy and put him backstage behind the curtain to protect him. And then he let Roy go and went back," said Fischbacher.
He also told King that, after he was freed from the tiger's grip, Siegfried said, "Don't harm the tiger."
Witnesses in the audience Friday night said it looked like the tiger lashed out against Horn, mauled him, then carried him off stage. One witness said Horn looked like a rag-doll in the tiger's mouth.
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But Fischbacher repeated his claim during the interview, saying this was an accident; that Horn actually fell and the tiger was trying to help him, but was simply unaware of its own strength.
"A tiger, when he grabs you, it's the strength ... He thinks it's another tiger, and another tiger has thick skin like this, and the fur," Fischbacher explained. "If it would be that the tiger would be out for killing Roy, it would [have happened] in no time."
The questions seem to out-number the answers. Was the tiger trying to protect Horn? Are Siegfried, Roy and their managers trying to protect the rare, endangered tiger from being destroyed?
Another potential problem for the duo has arisen. CNN has learned the Agriculture Department has launched an investigation of the "Siegfried and Roy" show for possible violations of the Animal Welfare Act. That law says, during a public exhibition, there should be minimal risk to the animal and the public, with sufficient distance or barriers between the animal and the audience. During the "Siegfried and Roy" show, some audience members sit very close to the stage with no barriers.
You mean the violence and chaos for which you have no real source whatsoever (hence your desperate resort to the assumption that if animals were stolen over a period of weeks or months, this must have constituted dreadful violence and chaos which would leave a tiger permanently terrified ... thus making him LESS fearful of humans according to youAxis Kast wrote:In any case, back to the gist of the argument: violence or chaos at the zoo.
), and which you cannot possibly show to be necessary for a tiger to feel motivated to bite a human hand?
Well, I found that information in ten minutes on-line, and without knowing anything about the international black market (as opposed to Iraq, where smuggling has been important for a while). No, "most" Iraqis aren't likely to have that information. Those that do, however, are likely to be quite encouraged to loot, since a single pound of rhinoceros horn is the equivalent of 4 years of the per capita GDP. And there would be black marketeers in Baghdad (if you have to ask for proof, you're an idiot...all big cities have a black market of some sort).Axis Kast wrote:Are most Iraqis likely to have the same information as yourself?
We know they didn't take the bears; some escaped, but they weren't carted off.
BattleTech for SilCoreStanley Hauerwas wrote:[W]hy is it that no one is angry at the inequality of income in this country? I mean, the inequality of income is unbelievable. Unbelievable. Why isn’t that ever an issue of politics? Because you don’t live in a democracy. You live in a plutocracy. Money rules.
