Now, we all know how testy some people get about Southern stereotypes, but take a good look at the states bringing up the bottom of that list. Notice a pattern?
- Massachusetts
- Vermont
- Connecticut
- Montana
- New Jersey
- Maine
- Pennsylvania
- (tie) Wisconsin and Iowa
- (tie) Wisconsin and Iowa
- New York
- Nebraska
- Minnesota
- Indiana
- Wyoming
- Kansas
- Rhode Island
- Virginia
- Maryland
- Delaware
- Michigan
- North Carolina
- Ohio
- Alaska
- North Dakota
- Utah
- New Hampshire
- Illinois
- Missouri
- West Virginia
- Idaho
- South Dakota
- Oregon
- Washington
- Texas
- Colorado
- Georgia
- Kentucky
- Arkansas
- Oklahoma
- Florida
- South Carolina
- Tennessee
- Hawaii
- California
- Arizona
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California and Hawaii? I could've told you that Yes, I'm sad to admit I'm a Californian sometimes. I come from one of the richest school districts that has (had) the world's number one school symphony orchestra but even then.. there were clear delineations between the type of students you saw.
It was really an economic and sometimes racial division line down our school. Those in honors and advanced courses were often from the well-to do families and comprised up of (Whites, Jews and Asians). The more remedial courses were made up of the whole gamut of ethnicities. The interesting pattern though was that there were hardly any hispanic or black students in my classes and the few that were were from more well-off families (one's father was an alumnus from Harvard).
My 9th grade english honors teacher told the students, "I never once had a black student in my class all the years I have been teaching." I guess if you were to take a demographic of my school you would find that the classes were divided economically which also had correlations ethnically. Just an observation so don't go screaming racist.
When I was down in the South, Louisiana they had a very different attitude there towards education especially in the more rural parts of the state. There was almost no money for education and the emphasis was not on cerebral learning, but hands on, practical skills. Such as typing, workshop and farming.
It was really an economic and sometimes racial division line down our school. Those in honors and advanced courses were often from the well-to do families and comprised up of (Whites, Jews and Asians). The more remedial courses were made up of the whole gamut of ethnicities. The interesting pattern though was that there were hardly any hispanic or black students in my classes and the few that were were from more well-off families (one's father was an alumnus from Harvard).
My 9th grade english honors teacher told the students, "I never once had a black student in my class all the years I have been teaching." I guess if you were to take a demographic of my school you would find that the classes were divided economically which also had correlations ethnically. Just an observation so don't go screaming racist.
When I was down in the South, Louisiana they had a very different attitude there towards education especially in the more rural parts of the state. There was almost no money for education and the emphasis was not on cerebral learning, but hands on, practical skills. Such as typing, workshop and farming.
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I should add something to the above. In my school, we almost all knew each other. Until recent years we were relatively small class sizes, and at least in the honors program we all saw the same 100 or so people year after year after year again and again. So we got pretty familiar with each other. And a lot of them lived in million dollar homes.
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Actually, I'd say it's totally expected they'd be at that spot.Stravo wrote:You could argue money...but I see California nearing the bottom there so that's a problematic argument.
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Bah, always take league tables with a pinch of salt.
Graduation and drop out rates must surely be so intricately linked to count as one criterion, right?
I personally would use just the literacy and numeracy criterion combined with pass rates of those taking the HSD, but they may well have been watered dwon in all the noise.
Of these seven criteria, three are to do with spending on education, and are economic factors, and one appears to have absolutely nothing to do with the standard of education.These included such positive attributes as per-pupil expenditures, public high school graduation rates, average class size, student reading and math proficiency, and pupil-teacher ratios. States received negative points for high drop-out rates and physical violence.
Graduation and drop out rates must surely be so intricately linked to count as one criterion, right?
I personally would use just the literacy and numeracy criterion combined with pass rates of those taking the HSD, but they may well have been watered dwon in all the noise.
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I'm in Florida (40th)....this state didn't wasn't always full of dumbasses who'd rather be delinquents and fuckwads who shoot out streetsigns...Damn, when I went to school in florida, we seemed to be on the cutting edge. there were nice classrooms, several Apple IIE's in every classroom...*sigh* we've really gone downhill.....
Some of this stuff fluctuates from year to year but I'm still surprised that Montana is so high up on the list.
I am not surprised that Arizona is low. This state has nearly all the problems you can possibly have with education.
People don't want to pay for it. Parents just want the schools to do everything. There are gang problems. No one wants to teach (myself included).
I think there are problems because there's a siginifcant billingual population and the schools never satisfactorilly address that one way or another. Ideally everyone would be taking English and Spanish but instead the English speaking kids get Spanish the same "effective" way that American kids get all languages.
As for the Spanish speaking kids that is a political mess that goes around and comes around. Billingual education vs. English only etc... is always coming up.
Plus, it doesn't get very cold here. I don't have any proof of this correlation but I've always thought that schools in states that actually have a winter benefit because for some reason the winter helps cut down on the distractions, at least if it isn't a state with a huge winter sports industry. Basically the warmer states have the potential for "Spring fever" stretched out over most of the school year.
It's a nice sunny day in Florida or Hawaii, would you want to be sitting in class? Me neither.
I always thought that Arizona should have it's main school year in the summer because it's so freakin' hot that the kids might as well be in the airconditioned indoors. I think some other people think the same since "year-round" school has become somewhat popular here. It's not really year-round but there are fewer and shorter breaks for the students. The longest one generally only being 3 weeks in the summer.
I am not surprised that Arizona is low. This state has nearly all the problems you can possibly have with education.
People don't want to pay for it. Parents just want the schools to do everything. There are gang problems. No one wants to teach (myself included).
I think there are problems because there's a siginifcant billingual population and the schools never satisfactorilly address that one way or another. Ideally everyone would be taking English and Spanish but instead the English speaking kids get Spanish the same "effective" way that American kids get all languages.
As for the Spanish speaking kids that is a political mess that goes around and comes around. Billingual education vs. English only etc... is always coming up.
Plus, it doesn't get very cold here. I don't have any proof of this correlation but I've always thought that schools in states that actually have a winter benefit because for some reason the winter helps cut down on the distractions, at least if it isn't a state with a huge winter sports industry. Basically the warmer states have the potential for "Spring fever" stretched out over most of the school year.
It's a nice sunny day in Florida or Hawaii, would you want to be sitting in class? Me neither.
I always thought that Arizona should have it's main school year in the summer because it's so freakin' hot that the kids might as well be in the airconditioned indoors. I think some other people think the same since "year-round" school has become somewhat popular here. It's not really year-round but there are fewer and shorter breaks for the students. The longest one generally only being 3 weeks in the summer.
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As fucked up as it sounds, considering New Mexico IS on the bottom of the list, NM also managed to get above average SAT scores overall. However, this does only measure people that actually took it, I realize, but still.. amazing, nonetheless, considering I think it was 30 points above avg. for math, and 20 pts for verbal.Darth Wong wrote:Take a look at the state rankings for education:
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Now, we all know how testy some people get about Southern stereotypes, but take a good look at the states bringing up the bottom of that list. Notice a pattern?
Makes me a bit ashamed to say I graduated here..
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Oh well, we have some of the best non-ivy league Universities in the country... And they are top of the list for their science and engineering programs... But our public school DO suck ass.
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Well, we have one of the best schools for medicine right here in Albuquerque, as well as one of the better Tech schools in Socorro.. but that doesn't matter, still. [shrugs]Alyrium Denryle wrote:*cries because my state is at the bottom of the list*
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That's one problem: FL's DOE tends to waste money a lot. Like buying computers all the damn time. IMHO, they really should concentrate first on basic education then start adding more computers and such. (Says the person who went here.)Chardok wrote:I'm in Florida (40th)....this state didn't wasn't always full of dumbasses who'd rather be delinquents and fuckwads who shoot out streetsigns...Damn, when I went to school in florida, we seemed to be on the cutting edge. there were nice classrooms, several Apple IIE's in every classroom...*sigh* we've really gone downhill.....
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I'm surprised Georgia is so high on the list. Public schools in suburban areas and such often tend to be good to quite good, but schools in the inner city and out in the boondocks just aren't up to par, to say the least.
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Hotfoot wrote: Never underestimate the staggering teaching power of the Garden State!
Don't you mean the TOXIC WASTE State?
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Tut tut Shep, no need to advertise your state's lower ranking so blatantly.MKSheppard wrote:Hotfoot wrote: Never underestimate the staggering teaching power of the Garden State!
Don't you mean the TOXIC WASTE State?
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Actually, that would also be my state.. [points at WIPP.. and White Sands.. and LANL.. and SNL...]Hotfoot wrote:Tut tut Shep, no need to advertise your state's lower ranking so blatantly.MKSheppard wrote:Hotfoot wrote: Never underestimate the staggering teaching power of the Garden State!
Don't you mean the TOXIC WASTE State?
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jersey's motto "Garden state", is a bad joke, Hotfoot. The entire stateHotfoot wrote: Tut tut Shep, no need to advertise your state's lower ranking so blatantly.
is full of strip malls, mile after mile, along with Toxic waste
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you forgot the official state plant: The Jersey Barrier!MKSheppard wrote:jersey's motto "Garden state", is a bad joke, Hotfoot. The entire stateHotfoot wrote: Tut tut Shep, no need to advertise your state's lower ranking so blatantly.
is full of strip malls, mile after mile, along with Toxic waste
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Having lived there my entire life, most of which was spent living next to a cow pasture, I think I'll take my word over yours.MKSheppard wrote:jersey's motto "Garden state", is a bad joke, Hotfoot. The entire state
is full of strip malls, mile after mile, along with Toxic waste
Honestly Shep, people are going to start wondering how you got so high.
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[/quote]Hotfoot wrote: Having lived there my entire life, most of which was spent living next to a cow pasture, I think I'll take my word over yours.
http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/34000.html
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7,417 sq miles in NJ: 832,600 acres of farm...
9,774 in MD: 2,154,875 farm acres
MD is 30% bigger yet has 250% more farmland than the "Garden State"
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Not that bad once you factor in population density, however.MKSheppard wrote:http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/34000.html
http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/24000.html
7,417 sq miles in NJ: 832,600 acres of farm...
9,774 in MD: 2,154,875 farm acres
MD is 30% bigger yet has 250% more farmland than the "Garden State"
Persons per square mile in NJ: 1,134.4
Persons per square mile in MD: 541.9
Plus, well...we do need some space for our kickass schools.
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