TIE Defender vs...

[Darth Phoenix]

Can the Defender beat:

ST
Defiant
Dominion Attack ship
Klingon Bird of Prey

B5
White star
Drazi Sunhawk
Third space fighter

FS2
Terran Erinyes Heavy fighter
Shivan Dragon Fighter
Vasudan Serapis interceptor

[Pablo Sanchez]

ST
Defiant
Dominion Attack ship
Klingon Bird of Prey

Toss up. If the TIE Defender can avoid being hit by their fire, then it can pick them apart. If it can't, well...

B5
White star
Drazi Sunhawk
Third space fighter

TIE for the first two, I don't know enough about the Thrid Space Fighter to say.

FS2
Terran Erinyes Heavy fighter
Shivan Dragon Fighter
Vasudan Serapis interceptor

TIE all, very easily. The FS2 ships and missiles are far too slow to ever endanger the TIE Defender.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Okay on the tie defender we have 6, 6mt laser cannons each firing(low end) 5 times per second(ref ANH laser cannons on TIE/Ln). 36x5=180 MTs per second.

That volly destroys
Sun Hawk.

A few seconds later the Whitestar, and the trek ships bite the dust. In the same amount of time the 3rd space ship dies a horrible death.

The freespace ships are anon-threat because they are SSSSSLLLLOOOOOWWWW. Only a couple hundred Meters per second on after burners, not even escape velocity. The tie oves so fast it is out of the 900 meter weapon range of the freespace ships in less than a second. It then fires a few proton torps into them.

[Darth Phoenix]

TIE for the first two, I don't know enough about the Thrid Space Fighter to say.

Well the third space fighter could destroy a white star in one direct hit.

The freespace ships are anon-threat because they are SSSSSLLLLOOOOOWWWW. Only a couple hundred Meters per second on after burners, not even escape velocity. The tie oves so fast it is out of the 900 meter weapon range of the freespace ships in less than a second. It then fires a few proton torps into them.

I've always considered their speed a game engine issue. In the cutscenes we saw move faster i think.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Those dont matter. It is the in-gfame speed that counts. and we really dont see faster.

[Mr Bean]

NTM the Defender can carry Gigaton missles

[Darth Phoenix]

NTM the Defender can carry Gigaton missles

First Tought:


Second though:


But anyway i thought torpedos and missiles were only in the megaton range.

[Mr Bean]

But anyway i thought torpedos and missiles were only in the megaton range.

Yes 60 MT Anti-Fighter Concussion Missles, all the way up to fourty to sixty Gigaton Anti-Cap ship missles

[RayCav of ASVS]

victory for TIE across the board

[Alyeska]

Okay on the tie defender we have 6, 6mt laser cannons each firing(low end) 5 times per second(ref ANH laser cannons on TIE/Ln). 36x5=180 MTs per second.

Then how can X-Wings survive a hit from the Tie-D yet be threatened by low KT weaponry?

[RayCav of ASVS]

Okay on the tie defender we have 6, 6mt laser cannons each firing(low end) 5 times per second(ref ANH laser cannons on TIE/Ln). 36x5=180 MTs per second.

Then how can X-Wings survive a hit from the Tie-D yet be threatened by low KT weaponry?

How can you possibly be on crack?

There's your answer

[Alyeska]

Okay on the tie defender we have 6, 6mt laser cannons each firing(low end) 5 times per second(ref ANH laser cannons on TIE/Ln). 36x5=180 MTs per second.

Then how can X-Wings survive a hit from the Tie-D yet be threatened by low KT weaponry?

How can you possibly be on crack?

There's your answer

In other words you are saying Tie-Fighters and Tie-Interceptors have 7mt weaponry.

I think I would like some of what your smoking.

[Darth Wong]

In other words you are saying Tie-Fighters and Tie-Interceptors have 7mt weaponry.

I think I would like some of what your smoking.

Point-defense guns on a warship are 6 MT, and we've never observed a fighter surviving a direct hit from one of those. Therefore, it is unlikely that their guns are that powerful, since they can take glancing shots from one another (a direct hit is still a one-hit one-kill situation).

However, the MISSILES of a TIE defender can easily reach into the gigaton range (see Slave-1 in AOTC), depending on the loadout (and it's not reasonable to deliberately handicap the TIE-D by assuming that it waltzes into battle with the wrong loadout).

In other words, even if we ignore the guns, the TIE need only line up a good shot with missiles and the target is a cloud of vapour and debris. Those missiles are much too powerful for Fed or B5 ships to handle (I don't know about the other one; any time you have an entity defined entirely by a game, it's pretty dicey).

[Alyeska]

In other words you are saying Tie-Fighters and Tie-Interceptors have 7mt weaponry.

I think I would like some of what your smoking.

Point-defense guns on a warship are 6 MT, and we've never observed a fighter surviving a direct hit from one of those. Therefore, it is unlikely that their guns are that powerful, since they can take glancing shots from one another (a direct hit is still a one-hit one-kill situation).

However, the MISSILES of a TIE defender can easily reach into the gigaton range (see Slave-1 in AOTC), depending on the loadout (and it's not reasonable to deliberately handicap the TIE-D by assuming that it waltzes into battle with the wrong loadout).

In other words, even if we ignore the guns, the TIE need only line up a good shot with missiles and the target is a cloud of vapour and debris. Those missiles are much too powerful for Fed or B5 ships to handle (I don't know about the other one; any time you have an entity defined entirely by a game, it's pretty dicey).

Never stated anything against the missiles.

[Cpt_Frank]

The one against the Defiant is most definetly the easiest one to win the Defiant simply isn't maneuverable enough to be of any challenge for the Defender to outmaneuver, and the forward firing weapons only add to the disadvantadge.

[Alyeska]

The one against the Defiant is most definetly the easiest one to win the Defiant simply isn't maneuverable enough to be of any challenge for the Defender to outmaneuver, and the forward firing weapons only add to the disadvantadge.

The Defaint has 2 rear torpedo launchers, 1 topside beam phasers, 1 bottomside beam phaser, 1 beam phaser on the nose.

[Alyrium Denryle]

It dodges

[Darth Wong]

The Defaint has 2 rear torpedo launchers, 1 topside beam phasers, 1 bottomside beam phaser, 1 beam phaser on the nose.

The beam phasers have nowhere near the punch of the pulse phasers. And the rear-firing torp launchers are going to be tactically useless unless the enemy is very far away (in which case you have more than enough time to turn around and point at him anyway). The relative velocities involved in a rear-firing missile launch mean that unless the missile has incredible maneuverability, it will streak past an attacker on your tail and miss him by a mile.

Why do you think real fighter planes don't have rear-firing missiles? Do the math.

[Alyeska]

The Defaint has 2 rear torpedo launchers, 1 topside beam phasers, 1 bottomside beam phaser, 1 beam phaser on the nose.

The beam phasers have nowhere near the punch of the pulse phasers. And the rear-firing torp launchers are going to be tactically useless unless the enemy is very far away (in which case you have more than enough time to turn around and point at him anyway). The relative velocities involved in a rear-firing missile launch mean that unless the missile has incredible maneuverability, it will streak past an attacker on your tail and miss him by a mile.

Why do you think real fighter planes don't have rear-firing missiles? Do the math.

Alyrium Denryle strongly indicated the Defiant had nothing but forward firing weapons. I corrected that assumption.

[Vympel]

Regarding rear-firing missiles on modern fighters are being experimented with though;

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/R-73.html

Sorry its in Russian. The manufacturer of the R-73 (AA-11 ARCHER) is Vympel

Regardless Lord Worg is still correct- the whole reason the Russians are making such a variant of the R-73 is because the missile has EXTREME maneuverability- thrust vectoring combined with a wide-angle seeker and a helmet-mounted sight for off-boresight targeting: it gave the MiG-29 and Su-27 the edge in close combat against Western fighters for 20 years (1980s-now).