Coruscant Defence Fleet

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-09-26 05:06pm

I'm currious about something. I'm currently reading the Wraith Squadron books again. In Iron Fist they have Coruscant being listed as being defended by 7 or more Star Destroyers and a similar amount of Mon Cal cruisers. I'll get the exact numbers later.

So how come a few years later, during Thrawns asteroid siege Coruscant is defended by frigates? I don't count Iblis's couple of Drednaughts becasue they where new to the fleet and wouldn't have been standing defences untill recently.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-09-26 05:27pm

Lord Pounder wrote:I'm currious about something. I'm currently reading the Wraith Squadron books again. In Iron Fist they have Coruscant being listed as being defended by 7 or more Star Destroyers and a similar amount of Mon Cal cruisers. I'll get the exact numbers later.

So how come a few years later, during Thrawns asteroid siege Coruscant is defended by frigates? I don't count Iblis's couple of Drednaughts becasue they where new to the fleet and wouldn't have been standing defences untill recently.

As I recall, the sector fleet wasn't around Coruscant at the time. They probably sent off the defense fleet to fight other Thrawn incursions or something.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-09-26 05:40pm

After Isard's and Zsinj's deaths the NR suddenly had thousands of star systems--about a quarter of the former Empire--they had to protect from the dwindling Imperial fleet. I mean, who wants to be member world of the NR, since that'll put you in the crosshairs of the Empire, if the NR won't protect you?

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-09-26 08:59pm

Lord Pounder wrote:I'm currious about something. I'm currently reading the Wraith Squadron books again. In Iron Fist they have Coruscant being listed as being defended by 7 or more Star Destroyers and a similar amount of Mon Cal cruisers. I'll get the exact numbers later.

So how come a few years later, during Thrawns asteroid siege Coruscant is defended by frigates? I don't count Iblis's couple of Drednaughts becasue they where new to the fleet and wouldn't have been standing defences untill recently.

The NR fleet was seriously overstretched, and it appeared from the Zahn Trilogy that the Rebels relied on Fleet elements manevuering from one base to another, always ready to act as a reaction force to any possible threat.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-09-27 12:25am

That would also explain why the Katana force was so damned effective.

The balance of power that had been created prior to the Thrawn Trilogy just go shifted just and quickly enough...

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2003-09-27 01:50am

With the NR so strapped for ships, I bet the government was relying on Coruscant's planetary shields and defense stations to protect themselves, with the frigates augmenting them to provide a mobile element. The rest of the Coruscant Home Fleet was off defending the rest of the sector.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-09-27 02:43pm

Kinda sucks that the standing defences where so small. Hell Corucant still had a couple of Vic defending it and that was when Isard wanted to lose the planet.

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2003-09-27 11:20pm

Would this be considered a viable case of that EU minimalism I hear so much about?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-09-28 12:00am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:After Isard's and Zsinj's deaths the NR suddenly had thousands of star systems--about a quarter of the former Empire--they had to protect from the dwindling Imperial fleet. I mean, who wants to be member world of the NR, since that'll put you in the crosshairs of the Empire, if the NR won't protect you?

Most gov't's have thousands of star systems.

The Republic covered 75% of the Galaxy's disk, and Empire proper consumed the remaining 25%.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-09-28 12:15am

Let's look at it this way. You have a good defensive fleet, and the enemy has a good offensive fleet.

Where do you station your fleet? At the most defensive postion you have? Or do you use your defensive fleet as an offensive fleet too it's capacity?

The fact that Courascant, the most heavily defended star sytem in the galaxy, has the least of your defensive fleet, should not be suprising. Use you're defensive fleet in offensive campaign's so that you obvious weakness in not a primary target.

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-09-28 07:27pm

Lord Pounder wrote:I'm currious about something. I'm currently reading the Wraith Squadron books again. In Iron Fist they have Coruscant being listed as being defended by 7 or more Star Destroyers and a similar amount of Mon Cal cruisers. I'll get the exact numbers later.

So how come a few years later, during Thrawns asteroid siege Coruscant is defended by frigates? I don't count Iblis's couple of Drednaughts becasue they where new to the fleet and wouldn't have been standing defences untill recently.

The answer is actually given in the Zahn book you mention. I don't have it in front of me, so no page numbers, but Leia(or some other high ranking Rebel) mentions that Thrawn did not destroy the communications relay, allowing them to call in the Sector Fleet. The book also says that the Sector Fleet came in right before or right after Thrawn's fleet left. [/quote]

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2003-09-28 09:36pm

StimNeuro wrote: The answer is actually given in the Zahn book you mention. I don't have it in front of me, so no page numbers, but Leia(or some other high ranking Rebel) mentions that Thrawn did not destroy the communications relay, allowing them to call in the Sector Fleet. The book also says that the Sector Fleet came in right before or right after Thrawn's fleet left.

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I thought the relay station was the first thing hit? They didn't WANT the Sector Fleet to come in while they did their thing. I remember Iblis or someone saying "we're definately the target" or something to that effect. And it was afterwards were the relay stations put back online.

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2003-09-28 10:29pm

The out-system relay was the first thing hit, but I believe a partial message got out. After Thrawn launched the asteroids, he withdrew and the fleet came in. I think they were the ones who replaced the relay while Coruscant was hiding under it's shields.

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2003-09-29 02:11am

Agent R wrote:The out-system relay was the first thing hit, but I believe a partial message got out. After Thrawn launched the asteroids, he withdrew and the fleet came in. I think they were the ones who replaced the relay while Coruscant was hiding under it's shields.

Right. Like I said, no book in front of me. Either way, the point of that was to show that the Coruscant Defense Fleet wasn't actually stationed around Coruscant itself.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-09-29 02:30am

StimNeuro wrote:
Agent R wrote:The out-system relay was the first thing hit, but I believe a partial message got out. After Thrawn launched the asteroids, he withdrew and the fleet came in. I think they were the ones who replaced the relay while Coruscant was hiding under it's shields.
Right. Like I said, no book in front of me. Either way, the point of that was to show that the Coruscant Defense Fleet wasn't actually stationed around Coruscant itself.

Even under the Empire the Coruscant sector fleet wasn't stationed at Coruscant, it was in some other system. CWOTC's Coruscant and the Core worlds gives the name of it, I can't recall it off the top of my head.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2003-09-29 09:17am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:After Isard's and Zsinj's deaths the NR suddenly had thousands of star systems--about a quarter of the former Empire--they had to protect from the dwindling Imperial fleet. I mean, who wants to be member world of the NR, since that'll put you in the crosshairs of the Empire, if the NR won't protect you?
Most gov't's have thousands of star systems.

The Republic covered 75% of the Galaxy's disk, and Empire proper consumed the remaining 25%.

Except in this situation, the New Republic has been in existence for only a few years and have just been through a gruelling civil war, that is still in existence, thus requiring the need for offensive fleet elements and RDF. The setting up of permanent, standing garrisons is probably not a important pirority right now.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-10-08 08:13pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Kinda sucks that the standing defences where so small. Hell Corucant still had a couple of Vic defending it and that was when Isard wanted to lose the planet.

Yeah, it ceretainly didn't help the capital world when the Vong came a knocking in 'Star by Star.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-10-10 05:52am

It seems pretty clear that Couruscant didn't NEED to have the sector fleet stationed there 24/7. Even with a large fleet of Star Destoyers and Dreadnaughts, Thrawn didn't have the firepower to significantly damage the Golan III stations, let alone engage the planet through orbital bombardment. The sector fleet's response time was probably around 1-2 hours which is more than adaquate for the Couruscant defenses to hold off any assault. The Dreadnaughts that were stationed there at the time were part of Bel Iblis' task force and not the Couruscant sector fleet so I'd be surprised if they had anything larger (Leia said as much in her discussion with Bel Iblis about not being able to take on a Star Destroyer).

Thrawn's entire attack wasn't even about doing damage, it was a purely psychological assault designed to instill fear in the core worlds that had been so far unaffected by the Mount Tantiss campaign. With an almost inpenetrable planetary shield, two massive battlestations and a swarm of ground-to-space weapons, there isn't much an attack force could do before the sector fleet arrived.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-10-10 09:10am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:After Isard's and Zsinj's deaths the NR suddenly had thousands of star systems--about a quarter of the former Empire--

Thousands is an understatement, millions more like.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2003-10-10 09:59am

Not suddenly, since they had to fight imperial forces lead by Admiral Rogriss and the rogue warlord Teradoc.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-10-10 03:33pm

FTeik wrote:Not suddenly, since they had to fight imperial forces lead by Admiral Rogriss and the rogue warlord Teradoc.

Along with the fact that there are going to be several sectors (or possibly even oversectors) that will also revert to their own rule. The Hutts were one of these as was Rogris, Teradoc, and at least a dozen other senior Moffs. Zsinj was just the first they took on in a long list of small kingdoms they had to break up before they assumed true Galactic Control.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-10-11 03:06am

Whatever became of Rogriss after the fight with the New Republic versus Zsinj? Was he bumped off by Daala, later or sooner?

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-10-11 08:09am

Captain Lennox wrote:Whatever became of Rogriss after the fight with the New Republic versus Zsinj? Was he bumped off by Daala, later or sooner?

After he lost the fight for zjsini'a territory with ackbar abd terradoc. He lost all prestige and could only command the Agoniser. He led this ship on the diplomatic mission to Adumar, where he was aksed to break his word of honur to the adumari people. At this points he defects to the New Republic after sabataging the Agoniser and delaying the imperiel reinforcements long enough for the new reb to cement the presence on adumar.[/i]

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-11 02:08pm

The Kernel wrote:Thrawn's entire attack wasn't even about doing damage, it was a purely psychological assault designed to instill fear in the core worlds that had been so far unaffected by the Mount Tantiss campaign. With an almost inpenetrable planetary shield, two massive battlestations and a swarm of ground-to-space weapons, there isn't much an attack force could do before the sector fleet arrived.

Coruscant has only 2 Golan platforms?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-11 04:58pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
The Kernel wrote:Thrawn's entire attack wasn't even about doing damage, it was a purely psychological assault designed to instill fear in the core worlds that had been so far unaffected by the Mount Tantiss campaign. With an almost inpenetrable planetary shield, two massive battlestations and a swarm of ground-to-space weapons, there isn't much an attack force could do before the sector fleet arrived.
Coruscant has only 2 Golan platforms?

Knowing the NR, who refused to build SSDs, use the Sun Crusher, or even organize a proper fleet to destroy a superweapon (Darksabre), that isn't too surprising.

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