"Women like assholes better than nice guys!"

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-10-13 04:38am

6. The world can't be divided into 'Nice Guys' and 'Assholes' and in fact, at some point in their lives, all men are assholes for a time. Mr Nice Guy refuses to believe he is an Asshole, but concentrates on the assholish aspects of the men with girls.

7. many women do have self esteem issues and will find themselves selectively attracted to assholes. Mr Nice Guy is selectively attracted to these women.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2003-10-13 06:38am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Well, some of the females I have had crushes on actually said to me that I am too direct about it and that I would have more success if I first build up friendship with said females and then admitted my love to them after having known them well for a long time.

Am a borderline jerk or are they lying?

Do you actually use the word "love" when you express your feelings to them? If so, I'd say that's a little too direct (and premature.)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-13 06:46am

*readies armour*
*Looks for maidens to save*

Ok, there's no dragons to slay any fair maids have any other monsters or villians of the blackest dye you want vanquished?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-10-13 07:07am

I generally can make friends with girls, but have trouble moving past that stage.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-10-13 07:40am

When I first met my girl, I made sure that I didn't just make friends with her and get stuck there. I kissed her on the first date. I think she got the message.

Getting stuck in a 'just friends' situtation is pretty easy to rectify. It's just a matter of making a move.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-10-13 07:49am

Well, last time I was asked by a girl instead of the other way around, we'd known each other maybe 3 weeks by then, however this did not last, infact it didn't get even really take off, less than a week, because she was so hung up on her ex, which had moved on and gotten himself a new GF, BTW.

Now I dunno, we're like friends nowadays yeah, but I dunno if she wants anything more now again, I am not too sure about the signals here, or even if there are any...

I've decided to not act on any hunches for now anyway, either way it turns out, I'll get by, I'm just not too interested in getting dumped again.

/e:
I suppose that could be kinda assholish if she wants me back and I'm just "meh" though.
Though I can be imagening things that are not there too and end up in a straight jacket!!

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2003-10-13 08:41am

8. Nice guys very often makes themselves too available to desired female. This is unappealing in the girl's point of view. Assholes generally will appear as they have more interesting things going on in their lives and more unavailable to said female which makes them more appealing.

If you can show a girl you are a nice, fun guy w/o making yourself available to her, she'll like you, and will find herself pursuing you. A "nice guy" who appears needy with a dull social life is no better than a jerk who has a lot going on in his life. Girls find the jerk more exciting and fun, and get themselves to beleive that they can get the jerk to be nicer...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-10-13 11:40am

Or it could be that being an asshole is only a condition that comes and goes in everyones life at various times.

Women, in general, like assertiveness in men. The perverbial Manly men. This is usualy in the initial stage some what comparable to men who are initially attracted to big tits and nice lips.

If you don't have any personality or are too chickenshit to express some after the initial stage of either physical looks or the womans attraction to your Machismo, your as good as dumped. Asshole or nice guy withstanding.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-10-13 06:23pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Well, some of the females I have had crushes on actually said to me that I am too direct about it and that I would have more success if I first build up friendship with said females and then admitted my love to them after having known them well for a long time.

Am a borderline jerk or are they lying?

Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them. In fact, you shouldn't be in love with a girl until you are ready to settle down and start looking at relationships at the long term rather then just some fun. You're suppose to be suave about it, pursue her but don't make it look like you are too interested.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-13 06:25pm

ArmorPierce wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:Well, some of the females I have had crushes on actually said to me that I am too direct about it and that I would have more success if I first build up friendship with said females and then admitted my love to them after having known them well for a long time.

Am a borderline jerk or are they lying?
Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them.

Actually, you're supposed to say it immediately after she says that she loves you. Failure to do so sends a bad message.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-13 06:30pm

Darth Wong wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:
Simon H.Johansen wrote:Well, some of the females I have had crushes on actually said to me that I am too direct about it and that I would have more success if I first build up friendship with said females and then admitted my love to them after having known them well for a long time.

Am a borderline jerk or are they lying?
Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them.
Actually, you're supposed to say it immediately after she says that she loves you. Failure to do so sends a bad message.

But, that's not what Han Solo did.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-10-13 06:31pm

Well, yeah, but I meant when you just meet someone and are trying to get on a date with her and that a guy even in a long term relationship shouldn't ever be the first one in the relationship to say it as it may make her get... dunno the word, entraped? Later on if she ends up saying the "L" word you have to say you lover her if you want the realationship to keep running smoothly.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-13 06:35pm

neoolong wrote:
Actually, you're supposed to say it immediately after she says that she loves you. Failure to do so sends a bad message.
But, that's not what Han Solo did.

Torture and imminent life-threatening procedures probably loosen the rules somewhat. Besides, Han Solo's coolness allows him to bend the rules anyway. You and I do not possess these powers.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-13 08:41pm

ArmorPierce wrote:Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them.

Correction. You're never supposed to say it first. That's her job. As males, it is our duty to let females have the upper hand in everything. We put our manhood on the line asking them out on the first date, and they put us on the spot by saying, "I love you."

In fact, you shouldn't be in love with a girl until you are ready to settle down and start looking at relationships at the long term rather then just some fun.

That's absurd. It's perfectly possible to be in love with a girl that you don't end up marrying. Now granted, there are those girls out there that'll tell you that they love you within about a month of dating you. They know that you can't help but reciprocate since by that time, they've probably given you a taste of their sexuality, leaving you wanting for more. And if you want more, you'd better damn well tell her you love her.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-13 10:38pm

Durandal wrote:That's absurd. It's perfectly possible to be in love with a girl that you don't end up marrying.

Sure, because things might not work out. No one can foresee the future. But if you're not even interested in a long-term relationship with the girl, then my money says you're not in love.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-14 01:31am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durandal wrote:That's absurd. It's perfectly possible to be in love with a girl that you don't end up marrying.
Sure, because things might not work out. No one can foresee the future. But if you're not even interested in a long-term relationship with the girl, then my money says you're not in love.

Probably not, but things change. At one point, I may not be interested in a long-term relationship with the girl I'm dating, but I might actually start considering the idea.

Speaking of all this, I intend on asking the cute blonde at work I'm interested in out to coffee or lunch or something tomorrow. Here's hoping she doesn't have a boyfriend, because I'm positive that she has a thing for me.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-14 02:08am

As a "nice guy" (who even my ex who I think hates me with a fiery vengeance admits that) The problem is that women tend to always see me as a friend, rather than something more. Is there a way around this?

Laird · Post by **Laird** » 2003-10-14 02:28am

beyond hope wrote:
Laird wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:Does that mean I'm an asshole?
ditto?
It is in your title, after all.

[Shock/dismay]NO!! you don't say!?[/Shock/dismay]

Gee your quiet the observent monkey aren't ya?

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-10-14 02:31am

You know, I've got this theory that everytime someone uses sarcasm, it generates this weird slimey stuff, which I call sarcoplasm, and I've invented this cool little box with windscreen wipers attached to it to detect it as well...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-10-14 02:48am

neoolong wrote:But, that's not what Han Solo did.

What about Al Bundy? All he says is "Right back at ya!"

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-10-14 02:55am

Durandal wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them.

Correction. You're never supposed to say it first. That's her job. As males, it is our duty to let females have the upper hand in everything. We put our manhood on the line asking them out on the first date, and they put us on the spot by saying, "I love you."

Yeah I corrected myself in that on my second post

Durandal wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:In fact, you shouldn't be in love with a girl until you are ready to settle down and start looking at relationships at the long term rather then just some fun.

That's absurd. It's perfectly possible to be in love with a girl that you don't end up marrying. Now granted, there are those girls out there that'll tell you that they love you within about a month of dating you. They know that you can't help but reciprocate since by that time, they've probably given you a taste of their sexuality, leaving you wanting for more. And if you want more, you'd better damn well tell her you love her.

What Darth Wong said.

Good luck on blondie btw

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-14 03:18am

Gandalf wrote:As a "nice guy" (who even my ex who I think hates me with a fiery vengeance admits that) The problem is that women tend to always see me as a friend, rather than something more. Is there a way around this?

Grope her.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-14 03:26am

Darth Wong wrote:
Gandalf wrote:As a "nice guy" (who even my ex who I think hates me with a fiery vengeance admits that) The problem is that women tend to always see me as a friend, rather than something more. Is there a way around this?
Grope her.

That's just crazy enough to work.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-10-14 03:29am

Darth Wong wrote:
Gandalf wrote:As a "nice guy" (who even my ex who I think hates me with a fiery vengeance admits that) The problem is that women tend to always see me as a friend, rather than something more. Is there a way around this?
Grope her.

He shoots, he scores. Any overt action that indicates that you want more than friendship.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-14 04:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:
more success if I first build up friendship with said females and then admitted my love to them
Although frankly, it sounds like the ladies you've been talking to have been reading a bit too much romance fiction.

There's always this possibility....

Darth Wong wrote:Grope her.

Wouldn't that result in a sexual harrasment suit?

ArmourPierce wrote:Your NEVER suppose to say to a girl that you love them. In fact, you shouldn't be in love with a girl until you are ready to settle down and start looking at relationships at the long term rather then just some fun. You're suppose to be suave about it, pursue her but don't make it look like you are too interested.

In other words, try to make her interested in me??