Mozilla 1.5, Firebird 0.7 and Thunderbird 0.3 Released

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-15 11:03am

Anyways, yes, most of the mirrors are slashdotted at the moment, since they don't have AOL's massive bandwidth to play with anymore. However, I find that this mirror is pretty fast.

EDIT: Firebird 0.7 w/ GTK and XFT support seems pretty good on my Linux box. It seems faster, too.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-10-15 11:04am

Ah kriff, time to upgrade...

Thankeys anyway Phong *HUG*

Ypoknons · Post by **Ypoknons** » 2003-10-15 11:55am

It does seem faster on Win32 as well. It's not objective though...

Anyways, thanks for the mirror

I finally found something to replace hole ridden IE with - but I do miss the smoother scrolling in IE (I have a Logitech Dual Optical, not sure if this has anything to do with it).

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-10-15 12:00pm

I've been using Mozilla for a while, but it takes noticeably longer to load than explorer, so I've been going back and forward between the two of them.

Should I install Firebird instead of Mozilla?

What's the difference, anyway?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-15 12:04pm

Firebird is essentially the browsing component of Mozilla that's been cleaned up and stripped down a bit to make it faster. There's no newsreader, IRC client or e-mail client. I find that it's a better web browser than Mozilla itself.

It should be noted that the Firebird codebase is identical to the Mozilla codebase, only that the compile-time flags differ.

Smooth scrolling is available in Tools->Options->Advanced

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-10-15 12:47pm

the D/L is slashdoted. Anyone have a torrent link to the windows ver of firebird?

NM found it.

Tottent win Mozilla

Edit
The torrent was mozilla...

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-10-15 01:06pm

Shogoki wrote:I've been using Mozilla for a while, but it takes noticeably longer to load than explorer, so I've been going back and forward between the two of them.

It doesn't take longer than IE, it's that IE is always loaded up (you know, folders and stuff... even if you're not viewing them "as webpages), all it does is create a new window

and Mozilla is just as fast in doing that, in fact often you don't even need to create new windows since you have tabs.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-10-15 01:32pm

phongn wrote:Firebird is essentially the browsing component of Mozilla that's been cleaned up and stripped down a bit to make it faster. There's no newsreader, IRC client or e-mail client. I find that it's a better web browser than Mozilla itself.

It should be noted that the Firebird codebase is identical to the Mozilla codebase, only that the compile-time flags differ.

Not sure about that. Firebird has a few shortcomings (like the ability to use components like Flash, at least as easy as in Mozilla) and the codebase has forked somewhat. Also the developing team is much smaller, and it's a closed project... or so I've heard.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-10-15 03:01pm

Downloading now.

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-10-15 03:45pm

Slartibartfast wrote: It doesn't take longer than IE, it's that IE is always loaded up (you know, folders and stuff... even if you're not viewing them "as webpages), all it does is create a new window and Mozilla is just as fast in doing that, in fact often you don't even need to create new windows since you have tabs.

Well, yeah, i know that, but it mean nothing when i'm starting up Mozilla and have to wait, i don't think there's a way to replace explorer with Mozilla in system and i don't like to have idle or useless programs if i can live without them, hell, i don't even have a background.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-15 05:21pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Not sure about that. Firebird has a few shortcomings (like the ability to use components like Flash, at least as easy as in Mozilla) and the codebase has forked somewhat. Also the developing team is much smaller, and it's a closed project... or so I've heard.

Flash works just fine on my computer. The codebase is Mozilla. To compile it you grab the Mozilla sources and change a few configuration options. It's open-source but IIRC, the dev team is currently closed to new entries while they clean stuff up.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-10-15 07:17pm

Downloaded, installed and currentley downloading a new version of my favorite skin.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-10-15 07:21pm

darthdavid wrote:Downloaded, installed and currentley downloading a new version of my favorite skin.

Out of curiosity, which one is it?

I'm using Bluemonkey.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-10-15 07:49pm

Will I need to delete my old Firebird build or will this release install on top of it?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-15 09:03pm

I usually delete everything in the Firebird directory except the Plugins directory and unzip on top of it. Unfortunately, that means that extensions get nuked, but it helps protect against weird errors.

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-10-15 10:00pm

Pu-239 wrote:
darthdavid wrote:Downloaded, installed and currentley downloading a new version of my favorite skin.
Out of curiosity, which one is it?

I'm using Bluemonkey.

Walnut 1.5.

It's a massive fux0ring image so i put it in a link so the mods wouldn't make me eat monkey sphinchter

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-15 10:07pm

Someone actually uses Walnut? The horror...

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2003-10-15 10:08pm

It looks cool.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-10-16 12:23am

It looks like abraded asshole.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-10-16 02:04am

I'm sticking to Mozilla 1.4 -- I don't particularly feel like recompiling 1.5 just to put MNG/JNG support back in.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-10-16 09:14am

You actually use MNG?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-10-16 10:37am

phongn wrote:You actually use MNG?

I'd use it instead of GIF if there was a decent program available that would convert to it, since GIF's color palette limitations tend to get on my nerves. (Jasc, update your MNG encoder, please...) The standard's pretty much finalized anyway.

The Mozilla developers are going apeshit over a non-issue, honestly. The MNG/JNG libraries only added something like 500k to Mozilla originally (but now the libmng maintainer slimmed that code down anyway), and were duplicating the function of the PNG libraries. Instead they could have removed libpng and still cut down on the codebase.