Feels good to be an ass sometimes

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 04:32am

Darth Wong wrote:I think that what a lot of people forget about that "turn the other cheek" bullshit is that while it may be a laudable thing to do, it is not a moral obligation. If somebody punches you in the nose, the noble thing to do is to walk away with your head held high, but if you punch him right back, it would take quite the self-righteous ass to sniff that you're a bad person for doing so.

You're making this sound like a black and white issue; everything depends on who is dishing out the abuse. You naturally turn the other cheek if a parent hits you; you may not have deserved it, but never under any circumstance do you raise a hand to your parents. But to turn the other cheek to some guy who punches you in a nightclub is not laudable; it's cowardly.

In this case, the retort was far more mild than the original insult. This is like being punched in the face with somebody cheering the bully on and then insulting the person who cheered.

What, the church was cheering Supermans beatings? Yeah right. Face it; he should have taken this up with his Dad. Sending an email to the church his Dad worked at won't give Superman any real closure, and smells like the antics of a little kid.

As I said, this thread presented a lot of people with an opportunity to show how righteous they are, and they leapt right on it.

So?

There's quite an irony in people being so judgemental and even (in some cases) downright insulting about such a harmless act as a nasty E-mail.

The insults were uncalled for. However, "nasty emails" are not harmless, unless they're sent to people without any feelings.

Superman, I'm sorry you got beat up by your Dad. But be serious; talk to your Dad if this is all still bugging you. That email was the easy, chickenshit option. You don't have to yell at him, or even discuss anything. Just tell him how you feel and walk away if he doesn't apologise or show remorse.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 04:51am

Well said, BS.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 04:53am

Good for you Supes, Older people think they can do that sort of shit and expect nothing in retaliation. I can recall many times in my old hometown where former educators have come up to me to say hello and my only response was "Fuck you." Then they act all shocked like I was their favorite student, when In fact the hell and misery i went through because of them caused me to become the unrepentant asshole I am today.

Some of these teachers used to really hate me because my dad would back me up when he felt like my rights were fucked with also. Hehehe, I know I got extra shit ffrom these people because of it, but watching my dad talk down to a teacher or principal in their own office was fuckin great.

Although next time I wouldn't recommend an email, they're too easily deleted. Next time send a hand written letter to the person's house. Eventhough it may seem immature, you ruin their whole day with something like that. Possibly a whole week, and the best part is that they really can't get back at you without perpetuating their anger. Its wonderful, even betterif you can do it in person.

Because if you try to be too mature or intelligent about it, it wont ruin their day enough.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-10-16 05:01am

I get very suspicious of anything ethical that says "under no circumstances."

And I don't believe that a refusal to fight is necessarily cowardly. For one thing, that other guy might be 300 pounds and you are 120 (like me.) In that case, it is simple self-preservation. For another thing, some people really are pacifists, and to remain so even under assault DOES require a form of stoic courage.

Nasty E-mails are not PHYSICALLY harmful. I doubt it had all THAT much effect on the woman. If that woman was really so sensitive and empathic a person, perhaps this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

You shouldn't judge for him what is a suitable closure. Suitable closures are for that person alone, IMHO. They DON'T have to be mature or conform to anyone's elses' standards as to what a "proper" closure should be. If he can put all that unhappiness behind him without lawbreaking, then the Closure he chose was Good Enough for Him.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 05:04am

My take on this whole business is that people are reacting more to their prior conceptions of Superman rather than to the actual incident. We all get stupid dumbass emails every day; chances are good this bitch wouldn't even read it anyways. Hell, I don't read any of my e-mail, even if it's from someone I know (unless I told them to e-mail me). Given that, why berate Supes for sending it out if it makes him feel better?
And it's not like he was saying, "Hey, I sent this e-mail, now I'm the greatest person of all time!" Rather, he was openly admitting to being an asshole.

If I were Superman, I would have planned on doing something grand and crazy, like spraypainting "TAX EVASION" on the side of the church at night in big letters. Then I wouldn't have done that, because I'd be far too lazy to buy spraypaint. Then I'd think to myself, "Fuck it," and would just forget about the whole thing.
But we all have our own way of dealing with things, as this thread proves rather well.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:11am

I would personally never lower myself to such a level to actually commit an act of revenge against someone.

Besides, with revenge, anything other than death is disrespectful.

EDIT: Nor could I associate with anyone that openly considers themself to be an asshole or a sadist, not to mention being actually proud of such negativity. To me it is simply disgusting.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-10-16 05:15am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I would personally never lower myself to such a level to actually commit an act of revenge against someone.

Besides, anything other than death is a dis-service.

When the chips are down, you never know.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-10-16 05:15am

Darth Wong wrote:
Shinova wrote:Personally, Superman's history is far from living hell in my opinion.
I had no idea you were so familiar with the details of his childhood. Please, enlighten us as to how you obtained this kind of intimately personal knowledge about another board member.

I don't want to brag, but I do freelance work as a private detective, I'm quite good.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 05:22am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I would personally never lower myself to such a level to actually commit an act of revenge against someone.

That's pretty cool. So if we're in Iowa and feel the need to vent, we can kick the crap out of you, and you won't do jack shit about it? I don't want to hurt you, but I'm going to write this down in my little black book, because you never know what the future will bring...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:25am

If attacked, I will defend myself with lethal force.

Defence is a different concept then revenge. Your attempt to catch me in a hypocracy is based on a false concept. Are you honestly saying that you see no difference between defence and revenge?

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-10-16 05:29am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:If attacked, I will defend myself with lethal force.

Defence is a different concept then revenge. Your attempt to catch me in a hypocracy is based on a false concept. Are you honestly saying that you see no difference between defence and revenge?

I wasn't trying to catch you in anything. If someone did something atrocious to you (the chips being down), I'm sure you would find it in your heart to have a a little revenge.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 05:29am

Yeah, but what if you get your ass handed to you real bad, say somebody just jumps you with a knife while you're taking a piss...and then they leave a calling card. You're sure you wouldn't look them up?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:32am

Thus is why we have law enforcement. I would rather not face a murder charge, and arresting and charging them with assault/attempted murder is their job.

And Hamel: I wasn't talking to you.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-10-16 05:33am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote: And Hamel: I wasn't talking to you.

Shazbot

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:37am

I did not mean that in an insulting manner.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 05:39am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Thus is why we have law enforcement. I would rather not face a murder charge.

Calling in Law Enforcement would be retiribution though, even though you dont personally do it yourself you are still making sure these people are held accountable.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:40am

Such is not revenge. Revenge would be to take the matter into your own hands rather than letting the authorities handle it.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 05:44am

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:I get very suspicious of anything ethical that says "under no circumstances."

Can you do me a favour and stay within the context of this discussion? Naturally if your Dad came running into the living room waving an axe you'd probably have to incapacitate him physically.

And I don't believe that a refusal to fight is necessarily cowardly. For one thing, that other guy might be 300 pounds and you are 120 (like me.) In that case, it is simple self-preservation.

Bullshit; lets go through some scenarios to save any more taking-out-of-context rubbish. If you get hit by a guy in a gang, of course you don't hit back; you get the fuck out of there. By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.

For another thing, some people really are pacifists, and to remain so even under assault DOES require a form of stoic courage.

yeah right.

Nasty E-mails are not PHYSICALLY harmful.

No one said they are.

I doubt it had all THAT much effect on the woman.

It doesn't matter; it's the way he's gone about this, NOT that ladies reaction to it.

If that woman was really so sensitive and empathic a person, perhaps this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Maybe. And maybe if that lady wasn't such a bitch, he wouldn't have been so against going to church and his Dad wouldn't have then beat him up. Maybe....what if....who fucking knows.

You shouldn't judge for him what is a suitable closure. Suitable closures are for that person alone, IMHO. They DON'T have to be mature or conform to anyone's elses' standards as to what a "proper" closure should be. If he can put all that unhappiness behind him without lawbreaking, then the Closure he chose was Good Enough for Him.

I can judge him if I want; you post stuff like this on a message board, and you'll get heaps of judgements. What's wrong with that?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:49am

BoredShirtless wrote:By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.

Truth be told, I would actually lose more self-respect to do something as foolish as engage in something I knew I could not win by such a rediculous margin.

But then again, I've never considered myself to be very masculine. Such competitiveness is beyond my comprehension.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 05:50am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Such is not revenge. Revenge would be to take the matter into your own hands rather than letting the authorities handle it.

And what if Law Enforcement fails? Also note that you said earlier that youd rather not be facign a murder charge, murder isnt necessarily the sole option in this case.

I used to have my ass kicked repeatedly by larger kids in elementary school one particular ashole especially who i ended up being freinds with later on in life. I tried saying things, nothing happened. Big whoop right? its part of growing up. Well I dealt with it, but it still bothered me that this one guy was able to do whatever it was he wanted and that the holier than thou route of not fighting back was bothering me. So one day I find the kid thats been doing it and cracked him over the head with a rock. Not only did it make me feel better, but I was never fucked with again but that particular person.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:53am

It is. Never allow an opponent to survive. They will not grant you the same luxury next time.

But if law enforcement fails, then it fails. If they try and assault me a second time, then I would be sure to properly defend myself.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-10-16 05:54am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I would personally never lower myself to such a level to actually commit an act of revenge against someone.

Sounds like an invitation for your brother to wreak some havoc.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 05:55am

Uts and I do not have the typical sibling rivalry between us that most brothers do.

And again, defence is different from revenge...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 05:59am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It is. Never allow an opponent to survive. They will not grant you the same luxury next time.

So what you are saying is that, if youre someone seeking revenge, murder is the only way to get revenge. Gotcha.

If they try and assault me a second time, then I would be sure to properly defend myself.

So going by your first quote where you never allow an opponent to survive, your defense would have to be murder. And you stated in an earlier post that you never wanted to face a murder charge. Its still Murder even if it is acceptable and reasonable, (which I think murder in self defense is)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 06:03am

If I felt that my life was threatened, yes, I would kill in self defence, which is not a crime.

Sorry, it's nearly 5:00 and I'm extremely tired, which will just further make things difficult. I must end my participation now.