Feels good to be an ass sometimes

[Chardok]

It's not about honour; it's about self respect. I couldn't imagine some guy hitting me and just letting him walk away. There are always exceptions of course, even not considering weapons.

That's fucking rediculous. I'm sorry, but self respect can be regained over time, paralysis, unfortunately is, many times, permanent. Disfigurement is nasty, and I like my REAL teeth, spank you very much.


To wit: I was almost in a fight once. We squared off, as young guys usually do, chest to chest like some sick neanderthal battle ritual. and the next thing I knew, something hit my mouth. I never saw the guy move, I just know SOMEthing hit me. When my head snapped back forward after a millisecondand I regained eye contact with him, he was in exactly the same position as he was the last time I saw him (Not half a second earlier) He was fast. Real fucking fast. and mean, too. I found out later he had been in juvenile hall for putting a kid in the hospital (May or may not have been true, but I was willing to believe it at the time, based on the look in this guy's eyes) Guess what I did rather than attempt to salvage some self respect? I walked away. Albeit with a busted lip, which healed in a week, all my teeth, and no suspension from school. just, turned and walked away. What did people say? "Ha ha. you got your ass kicked." to which I replied "Yup, but I know when I'm licked." One punch, that was it. and guess what? I respect myself to this day....funny thing, huh?

I find the whole "Self respect" attitude self destructive and silly. Sure, I may have kicked his ass, but, on the other hand, what we were fighting about wasn't fucking worth getting severely injured for. Or severely injuring him.

( I know you said there were exceptions, but you also said you couldn't imagine letting some guy hitting you and walking away....there's my example. I should also mention that the guy was roughly the same size as I was, so there was no strength advantage.)

[Nova Andromeda]

I think that what a lot of people forget about that "turn the other cheek" bullshit is that while it may be a laudable thing to do, it is not a moral obligation. If somebody punches you in the nose, the noble thing to do is to walk away with your head held high, but if you punch him right back, it would take quite the self-righteous ass to sniff that you're a bad person for doing so.

In this case, the retort was far more mild than the original insult. This is like being punched in the face with somebody cheering the bully on and then insulting the person who cheered. As I said, this thread presented a lot of people with an opportunity to show how righteous they are, and they leapt right on it.

There's quite an irony in people being so judgemental and even (in some cases) downright insulting about such a harmless act as a nasty E-mail.

--I would argue that the "turn the other cheek" method is an idiotic option to take most of the time. One should never let another get away with attacking you unfairly unless you have more to gain by letting it pass or they are so insignificant bothering with them would be a waste of effort. Such a course of action just legitimizes the attack.
-The people who attack the person extracting revenge are simply trying to curry favor with the orginal attacker and its supporters (assuming they are not the original attackers), forgo the cost of balancing the scales, and gain some righteousness points. They make me sick!
-On a side note, this is why the "left" is having such a horrible time in the U.S. It is paralyzed. It cannot fight back for fear of the population and especially it's core consituancy taking a dim view of such action. However, the "right" can do whateve the hell it wants since its base will support it no matter what and it will do whatever it takes to win.

[Joe Momma]

At first I thought the title of this thread was "Feels good to be in an ass sometimes," but then I realized that it hadn't been started by Darth Wong.

-- Joe Momma

[Illuminatus Primus]

Since I'm a misandrist, my opinion can't really be lowered anymore than it is.

What kind of bullshit is it to brag about something like that?

[aerius]

Unless you hit him with a perfect sucker punch he can still recover enough to take you out.

So what if he recovers; I wont just be standing there waiting for him to get his bearings back.

And by the same token the other guy isn't gonna stand there waiting for you to hit him.

Are you sure you can hit him with that perfect punch? Think real hard about it.

I don't need to, because I don't see why it's so vital to take someone out in one punch. I'd be great if I do, but I wouldn't be giving up if I don't.

See above.

As for drugs, if he's hopped up on PCP's chances are you won't know it till he laughs off your punch, picks you up with one arm and throws you 20' across the room, after which he drops you headfirst into the floor a few times for fun.

Eye contact; I'll know.

Perhaps you should consider a career as a narcotics officer.

It's not about honour; it's about self respect. I couldn't imagine some guy hitting me and just letting him walk away. There are always exceptions of course, even not considering weapons.

Imagine it, and get used to it, or consider a lifestyle change to avoid these situations.

No aerius. You've given in to fear. I will not.

So you say. Going home and having sex with my GF is worth a lot more to me than any "self respect" lost from having some guy smack me in the face. I don't like hospitals thank you very much. To be honest I can beat the shit out of damn near anyone in a fight without getting hurt myself, but all it takes is one slipup at the wrong time and I'm fucked. You'll excuse me if I don't feel like spinning the wheel of fortune.

I'm finding this very hard to believe. Are you sure it was his floating rib and not one of the others? No offense, it's just in my experience, getting your floating rib broken is a show stopper.

Yup, snapped it clean off and it was floating around in his chest cavity, damn near put a hole through his lung. They put it back together with titanium plates so he now sets off metal detectors everywhere.

From my experience I've cracked a floating rib (and dislocated my shoulder) from a bad fall off my bike, and to tell you the truth it's far from disabling. Hurt like a bastard and made it hard to breathe, but I could still walk & move around.

Ok, you can move around; but you're "disabled" in a fighting sense, right?

Hardly. If I had to I could've gotten up immediately. The entire left side of my upper body was in severe pain and useless, but I still had full use of my legs and partial use of my right arm. Breathing was painful, but I still had enough use of my body to severely injure or kill someone.

[aerius]

I sure hope so! And if it isn't, then I'll only have myself to blame.

From this comment im already fairly certain i could take you out.


1 or 2 leg take down, get you on the floor, your going to panic, immediately move into a calf lock... put you in shit pain, release that and move on to an ankle lock, break the ankle, will take about ten seconds if i get the lock right first time, then i'd probably stand back and watch you roll about a bit... if you try and get back onto you feet, easiest way to put a stop to that, kick in the ankle, and then i would probably have to sit on you.

if the original lock doesn't work, i'll move up the body pin you to the ground with my weight, get you with a flurry of punches to the face (your head will also be hitting the ground, it hurts A LOT trust me) then perform an arm lock, breaking the arm, after that i'll reposition myself with a knee to the base of your ribcage, you won't be able to breath, and will also give me free range of choice of where to go from there.

That would work, but let's keep things simple. Stomp his knee, hard. If his knee doesn't get broken it'll be severely hyperextended which is quite painful. If he hasn't gone down, stomp his knee again and give him a good shove to help him onto the ground. Once he's down, kick him in the head, the balls, or his ribs & stomach until he stops moving.

Option 2, suckerpunch or knee to the nuts. Help him to the floor by pounding on his head & face with elbows & knees, and stomp him when his head gets close enough to the ground. It ain't pretty but it works. The problem with my solutions is the guy will suffer permanent damage and/or death, which the law frowns upon. Done right it'll be over in 1-5 seconds depending on how many times I have to hit him in the head.

The goal is to stay on your feet as much as you can so that if his buddies come after you, you have a better chance of spotting them and taking appropriate action.

[The Cleric]

You're all forgetting a knife hand to the throat. Done properly, it will wind anyone and that takes you out of a fight damn quick.

[aerius]

You're all forgetting a knife hand to the throat. Done properly, it will wind anyone and that takes you out of a fight damn quick.

And be sure to aim at or below the Adam's apple, kills them better that way since it's almost impossible to repair the damage from such a blow. Above the apple and it's still possible to get a trach tube into his crushed windpipe, at or below the apple and it's infinitely harder to do without having the victim drown in his own blood.

[AdmiralKanos]

The human body is a very fragile system. Nobody in his right mind ever goes looking for a fight; an intelligent person should only get in a fight when he could not get away from one despite genuinely trying to do so.

[Admiral Valdemar]

You're all forgetting a knife hand to the throat. Done properly, it will wind anyone and that takes you out of a fight damn quick.

And be sure to aim at or below the Adam's apple, kills them better that way since it's almost impossible to repair the damage from such a blow. Above the apple and it's still possible to get a trach tube into his crushed windpipe, at or below the apple and it's infinitely harder to do without having the victim drown in his own blood.

Should I be concerned that the last page or so of this thread has been dealing with how to efficiently kill a human in hand-to-hand?

[Sothis]

There's nothing wrong with walking away from a bully who's hit you, or tried to hit you. The bullshit that it turns you into a coward is exactly that- bullshit. You show contempt by not deeming them worthwile enough to get into a fight with, which they will not be able to stand.

There was a time at work, where a 'customer' was in a particularly angry mood. If he had hit me, he probably would have floored me. Even if he hadn't, and I'd hit him back, he still probably would have won, simply because he was a nutter. Instead I looked him straight in the eyes with a stern look on my face and denied what he said I had done. He backed down, albeit he was still angry.

Sometimes that's all you need- strong eye contact, a confident expression, or an angry expression to match the look on your opponent's face. Bullies pick fights they're sure they can win, either due to sheer weight of numbers, or because they're a lot bigger than their victim. Show them contempt and walk away, ignoring them. It removes their power.

[aerius]

Should I be concerned that the last page or so of this thread has been dealing with how to efficiently kill a human in hand-to-hand?

Nah, wouldn't worry about it, but there was this guy I met once who trained Navy SEALs, Delta Force commandos, SAS & SBS troopers and all those other special forces guys and he showed me like 1001 ways to kill a man with a roll of toilet paper.

[Demiurge]

You're all forgetting a knife hand to the throat. Done properly, it will wind anyone and that takes you out of a fight damn quick.

And be sure to aim at or below the Adam's apple, kills them better that way since it's almost impossible to repair the damage from such a blow. Above the apple and it's still possible to get a trach tube into his crushed windpipe, at or below the apple and it's infinitely harder to do without having the victim drown in his own blood.

I find this information incredibly disturbing.

[Vertigo1]

You don't let bullies get away with stuff like that! Heck, I've still got that little twerp who pushed me off the monkey bars when I was in 4th grade on the top of my To-Beat-The-Shit-Out-Of list.

Oh god help him if I ever find out where he lives...

Revenge is sweet.

I didn't exactly let them get away with it.

[Vertigo1]

You know, that church, in my mind, really ruined my childhood. It really did. One memeber attempted to sexually assault me, another member actually stalked me for about a month, that woman I told you about shoved me into a wall once (not even counting the yelling and telling me how bad I was), I could go on and on. Between my dad and that church, my childhood was pretty fucked up. Believe me, I would like nothing more than to march over there right now and shove that stupid bitch right through a wall. Hell, I would love to burn that damn church to the ground, but of course I would never do any of these things. That email was enough and it felt pretty good.

OK fine. Why didn't you contact the police after it happened instead of sending a stupid e-mail many years later? All the person on the other end is going to do is look at the monitor with a frown and delete the offending e-mail. Contacting the police immediately afterwards, gee....I dunno maybe it might have done something to them? Not only would they have to deal with jail time (or some heavy fines) if convicted, but have to deal with it being on their record afterwards. You know, convicts tend to look down on those that abuse children.....

[ArmorPierce]

I really don't know what is everyones problem. Superman, good job, she probably deserved it.

[Lord MJ]

I don't agree with simply turning the other cheek, but I do agree that wrongs committed agianst you does not give you carte blanche to do whatever you please in response.

If someone does something to you, and you respond by acting like an asshole, I will quite justifiably so, indicate the wrongness of that act, since acting that way is never acceptable.

However if you are assertive, then I will most likely side with you in a conflict. Pretty much when one person is screaming and yelling, and another is attempting to resolve a situation in a mature and assertive manner, then I will almost invariably give person b more credence than person a.


Passivity is almost as bad as acting like an asshole, because it lets someone get away with a wrong doing against you, and also weakens you personally.


My basic motto is that when anyone does anything that harms me in anyway, I have the moral right and obligation to assertively confront said individual. Of course the laws of our society claim otherwise, but I don't really care about that legalistic nonsense.

[BoredShirtless]

Unless you hit him with a perfect sucker punch he can still recover enough to take you out.

So what if he recovers; I wont just be standing there waiting for him to get his bearings back.

And by the same token the other guy isn't gonna stand there waiting for you to hit him.

What's your point? I should let people hit me because I can't be 100% sure that my first punch back will do the job?

As for drugs, if he's hopped up on PCP's chances are you won't know it till he laughs off your punch, picks you up with one arm and throws you 20' across the room, after which he drops you headfirst into the floor a few times for fun.

Eye contact; I'll know.

Perhaps you should consider a career as a narcotics officer.

From http://www.testsymptomsathome.com/SYM_drug_pcp.asp:

Unpredictable behavior; mood may swing from passiveness to violence for no apparent reason.
Symptoms of intoxication.
Disorientation; agitation and violence if exposed to excessive sensory stimulation.
Fear, terror.
Rigid muscles.
Strange gait.
Deadened sensory perception (may experience severe injuries while appearing not to notice).
Pupils may appear dilated.
Mask like facial appearance.
Floating pupils, appear to follow a moving object.
Comatose (unresponsive) if large amount consumed. Eyes may be open or closed.


Like I said, I'll know.

Imagine it, and get used to it, or consider a lifestyle change to avoid these situations.

No aerius. You've given in to fear. I will not.

So you say. Going home and having sex with my GF is worth a lot more to me than any "self respect" lost from having some guy smack me in the face. I don't like hospitals thank you very much. To be honest I can beat the shit out of damn near anyone in a fight without getting hurt myself, but all it takes is one slipup at the wrong time and I'm fucked. You'll excuse me if I don't feel like spinning the wheel of fortune.

You wouldn't be passive to some guy who hits your girlfriend, right? So why would you stand up for your girlfriend, but not yourself?

I'm finding this very hard to believe. Are you sure it was his floating rib and not one of the others? No offense, it's just in my experience, getting your floating rib broken is a show stopper.

Yup, snapped it clean off and it was floating around in his chest cavity, damn near put a hole through his lung. They put it back together with titanium plates so he now sets off metal detectors everywhere.

Rubbish. Floating ribs don't snap off, because they aren't even attached, hence the word "floating".

From my experience I've cracked a floating rib (and dislocated my shoulder) from a bad fall off my bike, and to tell you the truth it's far from disabling. Hurt like a bastard and made it hard to breathe, but I could still walk & move around.

Ok, you can move around; but you're "disabled" in a fighting sense, right?

Hardly. If I had to I could've gotten up immediately. The entire left side of my upper body was in severe pain and useless, but I still had full use of my legs and partial use of my right arm. Breathing was painful, but I still had enough use of my body to severely injure or kill someone.

Yeah right.

[MarkIX]

You fight when youv'e got something to gain be it self respect or something else, to suggest that every fight your in should be dangerous/lethal is basically saying "I want to go to jail". People fight all the time and only if they are very lucky/unlucky or skilled and mean will they disable/kill someone.

My last fight was won by bouncer it happened like this, I was walking off the dance floor in a nightclub when someone stepped in front of me and started swinging. I could tell he was very drunk because people don't usually attack me (I'm 1.95m tall and well built) and he wasn't hitting me very hard.
So I just backed up defeneding my self,I was stone cold sober ( I don't drink) everntually the bouncers grabbed him and dragged him outside, no real harm was done to anyone ( well the bouncers did beat him a bit). Now going by the suggestions so far I could have smashed him to the ground or tore his testicles off or some other incapaciting move but I didn't think he really deserved it and it would have attracted the ire of the bouncers and I didn't want to get thrown out, turning the other check would have just given him an opportunity to swing at that one as well. So I say it really depends on what you want to achieve no option works every time.