Rebellious Teens

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-16 01:53am

ArmorPierce wrote:Oh I know what you are talking about. Heh, guys that wears those are muggers where you from? Over here a guy that wears that is more of a pretty boy kind of thing.

Mostly a pretty boy thing, you only ever see them on actual sport people, pretty boys (Who I really detest), and those like me who don't give a shit what they wear.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-10-16 03:03am

Speaking as an 18 year old, I can personally say that I've rarely, if ever, seen rebellion of the kind you're talking about. All of my friends get along excellently with their parents, and, personally, mine are among my best friends. Of course, my parents were damned thorough in raising me, one of my friends had hippies for parents, and she's REALLY fucked up in the brain...

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-16 06:08am

Not to sound elitarian, but if I have anything to rebel against it is the mediocrity which is all too common in modern society.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-10-16 06:19am

Hamel: I'll assume you're speaking of the "anti-child labor laws" thing, since the self-righteous attitudes of wannabe rebel kids is too common to warrant an explaination.

Children and teenagers who are given responsibilities, or are sent to work, don't sit around all day lamenting their cruel lives in the suburbs or pretend that they are undead. Hell, I've seen 8 year-olds with more personal responsiblity than 16 year-olds because they had to look after themselves etc. instead of being pampered and while they were still children; they didn't have that air of immaturity that many have until they hit their late teens/early twenties, if it ever goes away at all.

Ask any elderly person and they'll tell you that when they (pre-1950's) were teenagers they didn't act the way we did or do at all. I don't think any of them have stories about blasting Sinatra over their parent's jazz and ragtime.

If young teenagers worked like adults again or were as diciplined as our grandparents were, they would disappear as a seperate demographic is what I'm trying to say.

Edit: Not to say that too many people were worked too hard as kids in the 30's and 40's....But teens are still very much a modern phenomenon.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-10-16 07:24am

I remember one time in High School everyone was going to march into town and protest about the school adopting bulk funding, which through some economic mechanism would mean teachers would all get replaced with cheaper inexperienced ones.

A girl asked me if I was going, I said no, I didn't have a full understanding of the issue so the sidelines were as good a place as any for me. She then said that it didn't really matter, only a handful of people out of the 60 or so that went actually knew what was going on.

I found it interesting how easilly the rage against can become the machine.

If my post count ever gets high enough I'll have to ask for the title 'Fanatically Moderate'. Either that or 'Captain Bullshit', whichever I'm in the mood for at the time.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-10-16 07:28am

Or how about "Madly Apathetic?"

I'd get a custom title someday, but I think I'm either gonna bid farewell or just show up very rarely once I hit the 1000th post mark.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-10-16 09:20am

Gandalf wrote:
ArmorPierce wrote:Oh I know what you are talking about. Heh, guys that wears those are muggers where you from? Over here a guy that wears that is more of a pretty boy kind of thing.
Mostly a pretty boy thing, you only ever see them on actual sport people, pretty boys (Who I really detest), and those like me who don't give a shit what they wear.

its not a pretty boy thing here... they are evil, evil people in the uk.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-10-17 01:19am

UltraViolence83 wrote:Or how about "Madly Apathetic?"

I'd get a custom title someday, but I think I'm either gonna bid farewell or just show up very rarely once I hit the 1000th post mark.

I like.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-17 01:30am

"Why couldn't you just kill a fucking lion or something"-my dad to me, one time when I did something very, very bad.... (Barrowed a Drunk Jock's car, and drove him home, without having a licence or telling my parent's where I was or anything)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-17 01:32am

Oh BTW I had no licence, and my driving with stick skills were non existant at that time. This may or may not have had any thing to do with the cop stopping us, or the three drunks puking in their own car.

Funny, the cop realizing I was stone sober, didn't even ticket me.....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-17 03:36am

If even a moderate percentage of all teenagers were violently rebellious, society would be on the verge of collapse. Their ineffectiveness proves that only a very small proportion of them are actually doing anything. The rest of them have game consoles and frenetic masturbation to keep them busy.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-10-17 03:46am

Spyder wrote:I remember one time in High School everyone was going to march into town and protest about the school adopting bulk funding, which through some economic mechanism would mean teachers would all get replaced with cheaper inexperienced ones.

A girl asked me if I was going, I said no, I didn't have a full understanding of the issue so the sidelines were as good a place as any for me. She then said that it didn't really matter, only a handful of people out of the 60 or so that went actually knew what was going on.

I found it interesting how easilly the rage against can become the machine.

Hey, my schools had foreign teachers that didn't know how to speak english acting as teachers and giving out oral exams but there is really no teenager rebellion thing going on. If anything, urban kids have more respect for their parents than suburb kids. They have a good time, but they have a lot of respect for their mothers.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-10-17 03:56am

When I took a macroeconomics class in college my teacher for some reason brought up teens. He was saying the "modern" concept of a teenager ( rebellious, anti-authority, etc ) is largely a modern phenomena brought about by media and modern living patterns.

He gave examples of how for his grandparent and parents you went from childhood to young adult. There were no "teens" to speak of. What do you think of this? Remember the scene from "Interview with a Vampire" where Pitt describes his life on the plantation. He says something to the effect of times were different and I was a man at age 24. Today 24, is just getting started in many ways.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-17 04:01am

Darth Wong wrote:If even a moderate percentage of all teenagers were violently rebellious, society would be on the verge of collapse. Their ineffectiveness proves that only a very small proportion of them are actually doing anything. The rest of them have game consoles and frenetic masturbation to keep them busy.

It's accurate, a little insulting, but accurate.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-17 06:23am

Gandalf wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:If even a moderate percentage of all teenagers were violently rebellious, society would be on the verge of collapse. Their ineffectiveness proves that only a very small proportion of them are actually doing anything. The rest of them have game consoles and frenetic masturbation to keep them busy.
It's accurate, a little insulting, but accurate.

I'd say it's too accurate to be insulting.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-10-17 06:40am

Isn't rebelling (whether violent or not) a natural stage of growing up in today's society.
It's part finding yourself, part raging pent up hormones.

As for overly violent teenagers, they just need some serious legal implications to keep them out of crime.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-17 07:03am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:If even a moderate percentage of all teenagers were violently rebellious, society would be on the verge of collapse. Their ineffectiveness proves that only a very small proportion of them are actually doing anything. The rest of them have game consoles and frenetic masturbation to keep them busy.
It's accurate, a little insulting, but accurate.
I'd say it's too accurate to be insulting.

I don't use a game console. I play computer games.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-10-17 10:53pm

A thought: If just about everyone is doing what they would consider "rebelling against the majority", is it still rebellion? If so, I'm probably being more rebellious by not dying my hair some unnatural color and styling it to make it look like I was just electrocuted, and not bringing a CD player to school playing rap or pop-punk every day.

Darth Mall · Post by **Darth Mall** » 2003-10-17 11:06pm

You see its a group mentaility rebellion. Its the same reason that when there are three doors everyone goes thru on and when there are three sets of stairs everyone goes up and down only one. At my High school they need a frickin parapro (fancy name for a hall monitor) to direct traffic up the stairs

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-10-18 05:03am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote: If so, I'm probably being more rebellious by not dying my hair some unnatural color and styling it to make it look like I was just electrocuted, and not bringing a CD player to school playing rap or pop-punk every day.

Good point - I actually like making a point of not being too mainstream but not following any of the "alternative" styles either.

homicidalManiak · Post by **homicidalManiak** » 2003-10-18 04:33pm

I got a first-hand look at teenage rebellion in the form of my younger sister. In the entire time I lived at home I did have run-ins with my parents, but they weren't near the run-ins that would have happened with my sister if my parents hadn't been scared to death of her.

I never did anything I wasn't supposed to do in high school (except not try in my classes) while she was out getting drunk and giving the police false information, which got her 3 years probation. We were basically polar opposites, and still are, to some degree.

She's since quieted down but there were very few peaceful moments in my house between her constant temper-tantrums over rules she never obeyed anyway and my other sister's penchant for trying to get us in trouble even if we had never done anything. And because I was always a wuss and my parents never wanted to try punishing devil-child I took the fall every time something went wrong.

Rebellion is indeed alive and well.

homicidalManiak · Post by **homicidalManiak** » 2003-10-18 04:37pm

I should probably add that while I never did things that got me in trouble in high school, I did listen to my own music and dressed in my own style, which drove my parents nuts (especially the mother). She never could quite understand why I didn't want to be a cheerleader or go to the prom. She held an interest in them and I didn't. Consequently, she backed my evil sister up on a lot of stuff just because that sister liked the same things she did. Yet another reason I took the fall: the mother ruled the house and I was her least-favorite.

And I don't even consider my high school years as particularly rebellious (even with the music and clothes, which I still listen to and wear today).

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-10-18 09:02pm

My brother isn't really much of a "rebel" since he whored out to every piece-of-shit trend that existed save for Britney Spears and boy bands.

Jim is an extreme case. He assaulted my parents and myself numerous times and got away with it. Stole money out of my mother's purse, sold some of our things to shady people behind our backs, you name it.

As for me rebelling, well, if you call not tolerating stupidity, lies, and hypocrisy from parents rebellion, then call me Rebel Joe. But the way my parents talk about me sometimes, you'd think I was a crack dealer

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-10-19 12:36am

Hamel wrote: Jim is an extreme case. He assaulted my parents and myself numerous times and got away with it. Stole money out of my mother's purse, sold some of our things to shady people behind our backs, you name it.

Thats not teenage rebellion, thats just being a fucking asshole.

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2003-10-20 09:47am

Has anyone here had their car trashed?

Edit: One thing that irritates me is the middle-class bohemian who rails against materialism in all its forms, against the idea of private property, against "Industrial State Aparatuses" (including the law and education - that's right, university too), and glorifies the theory of anarchy; then suddenly throws a screechy-whiny bitch fit when someone so much as scratches his precious Corolla.

If you're going to overturn a complete stranger's car and set it alight, you'd better not grow up to be a parking inspector.