The Official Episode III spoiler thread

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-10-13 12:06am

Sharp-kun wrote:
LadyTevar wrote:I'm really wanting to know how they hide the children from Anakin, and if he's the one that kills Padme.
I'm expecting Dooku to kill Padme, and Palpy to do the "give in to your anger" routine on Anakin.

That would be doubtful, as Lucas said the last scene of Ep III was filmed during Ep II, which if you recal featured Tatooine and Owen and Beru. It's reasonable to assume then that the last scene would be Obi-Wan handing Luke over to Owen, thus Padme couldn't die at the start of Ep III (for Dooku is only in the movie for the first 10min according to other reports) ...

Phyre · Post by **Phyre** » 2003-10-14 03:18pm

Any ideas on the release date?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-14 07:13pm

Phyre wrote:Any ideas on the release date?

2005, probably May.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-10-16 12:46am

Vympel wrote:-Anakin expects to be treated with more respect by the Jedi order now after having killed Dooku and rescuing Palpatine. When the droid general is tracked down, Obi-Wan is sent off on the mission to take him down, not Anakin. Palpatine, in response to his being kidnapped, uses this as a foil to upgrade his security and make Anakin his personal bodyguard. Another step for Anakin to be closer to Palpatine and in the future the Dark Side. He is getting prideful with slaying Dooku, and we see him now separated from Obi-Wan yet again. A receipe for disaster. And "upgrading the security" sure sounds like the Red Guards finally get much deserved recognition.

- Anakin does indeed have to make a "choice" in the film. That choice is given to him by Palpatine. In response, Mace Windu chooses to try and defend himself. This sounds like it fits with the Palpidious SPY REPORT earlier this week. Anakin is guarding Palpatine, per the spoiler above, and Mace comes for a visit. We see a flash of the ROJ Palpatine, then he unloads on Mace. Anakin and Mace duel, with Mace going down hard - sealing Anakin's embrace of the Dark Side.

Possible reversal of TPM, with 2 Sith taking on 1 Jedi? That would certainly kick ass

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 04:20am

YT300000 wrote:
Phyre wrote:Any ideas on the release date?
2005, probably May.

Specifically in the last two weeks of May 2005, like the five previous films.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-16 06:33pm

I was recently watching the new DVD of 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' with my friend who is an insider close to the EpIII production. During the moment when Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone duel off camera and all we see are their shadows sword fighting across a giant stone wall, my friend grinned and said, "You'll be seeing a similar shot again very soon." He wouldn't tell me any more.
Given Lucas' love of old swashbucklers, will we see Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling in shadow during part of THE duel? It would be one way to give the audience something it hasn't seen yet. One problem: do lightsabers cast shadows?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-16 06:34pm

Not exactly a spoiler, what might have been:

Is it too early to talk about deleted scenes for Episode III? Well, this one actually didn't even get out of the art department, but still ...
While Lucas was still fleshing out the story for Episode III, the art department was given some freedom to explore some story arcs and broad concepts of the tentative plot of the film. They were drawing a month after Clones was released. The art inspired the story in a way, rather than drawings based on a completed script as is usually the process.

One of the story lines that was eventually abandoned for the film was how Jar Jar would be redeemed in Episode III. After the original character was decimated in the first film, things got worse, with the story in the second film making him even give Palpatine more control of the universe. The artists hoped they could find a way to redeem him - he could be a hero instead of a joke. A whole subplot was even developed to make that happen - but left behind in preproduction.

So that led to a story arc that we all expected - but also isn't happening. The death of Jar Jar. It was thought out in the art department, too, but when push came to shove George had a change of heart. So he was going to die, but now survives and slips into obscurity for the rest of the Star Wars films.

And a funny story from the olden days. He was originally pitched to be a silent character, and when the rest of the Gungans appear at the end of the film, they were a noble and ****** fighting race ready to kick droid butt and defend Naboo.

Things change while you're making movies - just like how Jar Jar will now survive Episode III.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-16 08:01pm

Finding out if anyone has purged the "Wedding Night" holo's from R2's memories.....

just kidding, I really did want to see Eps VII to IX, damn you geoge!

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-17 12:37am

Some pretty interesting stuff from TFN:

Obi-Wan was sent to the new planet to "break up" a meeting of the Separatists at the location. Padme also has tracked down Anakin there. When she finds Anakin, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders.

She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child.

Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside as Obi-Wan ignites his saber and the duel begins.

When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-17 01:27pm

A bunch more from TFN. Watch out, it pretty detailed.

-The General Grevious report is completely true. As of recently, his name was still General Grevious. Could it change? Could George re-spell it "Greevus?" Was a Saber-Dart once called a Kyber-Dart? Was Sifo-Dyas once called Sido-Dyas? Sure, but for now, that is the reality. All that is missing from that original report is the fight between Anakin and Dooku (definitely expect limbs to be lost). Palpatine is shackled to his chair (you saw it on hyperspace already) with a huge panoramic window behind him. The room is extremely evocative of the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ. The Seperatist ship that they are aboard is a long, slender, sleek vessel. The hanger bay is towards the back of the ship with giant doors that are open on both sides (so you could fly straight through the hole if you wanted.) Do not picture a TF Droid Control ship. They look nothing alike.

-Obi-Wan and his troops (following orders from the council), track Grevious down. Obi-Wan gives chase of Grevious aboard an animal that would best be described as a large and fast lizard. Grevious rides in a vehicle that resembles a one-wheeled version of a Hailfire droid. During their saber duel, Grevious' forearms each split in two and he wields a total of 4 lightsabers in combat.

-Palpatine had the clone troopers made with genetic data that allows him to take complete control of them when he needs to.

-After Obi-Wan eliminates Grevious (confirmed, its a blaster up the guts. A real juicy death for Grevious. Expect his head to leak fluids too), he returns to his troops. Palpatine gives the order for all the clone troopers to kill their jedi masters. Obi-Wan narrowly escapes and all the jedi in the film from this point forward would be considered enemies of the Republic and fugitives. This scene is a bit tragic for Obi-Wan as he is forced to kill a clone trooper he had befriended fighting together in the clone wars.

-Quick shots are shown on multiple worlds of clone troopers turning on their Jedi generals and eliminating them in several creative ways. (for example, you'll see a new world, followed by Republic tanks with a jedi commander on board. The order is given and the tank next to it turns it's turret and opens fire on the jedi tank at point blank range.) Watch for prominent jedi council members to go out this way.

-Yoda has little difficulty dealing with the clone troopers that turn on him on Kashyyyk, especially with the help of the wookiees. You will see why Han warns about wookiees being known to rip people's arms out of their sockets. And don't expect wookiees to be portrayed as simply "tall ewoks." Their technology is very advanced as is their vehicles, and they make good use of the lagoons on their world during combat. Watch for Yoda to do his whole "Away with your weapons I mean you no harm!" bit to fool the clone troopers as Chewie comes up behind them and knocks them unconscious. Wookiee vehicles definitely have a propeller theme. They have a boat with 2 pontoons (it looks like a catamaran). And they have one-man helicopter vehicles they fly around in.

-The last mission that Palpatine sends Anakin Skywalker on is a mission to the planet Mustafar. He is to terminate the remaining leaders of the Seperatists who have gathered there for a meeting.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-17 01:51pm

I don't like this General Grievous crap one bit. It sounds stoopid.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-17 02:03pm

And the R version directed this time by Quinten Terratino, Mace Windu will curse, become one bad assed Mo-fo, and Pam Greir and Uma Thurman will appear as either bountyhunters or fallen Jedi.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-10-17 02:34pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:Some pretty interesting stuff from TFN:

Obi-Wan was sent to the new planet to "break up" a meeting of the Separatists at the location. Padme also has tracked down Anakin there. When she finds Anakin, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders.

She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child.

Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside as Obi-Wan ignites his saber and the duel begins.

When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world.

All the rumors seem to point towards Padme dying really early. Early in the sense that I'm thinking George is going to have to pull something Force related out of his ass to explain why Leia can remember her mother being sad.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-17 02:42pm

Simple you leave baby Leia in the capable hands of the body double Ms Knightly.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-10-17 02:47pm

Can anyone point to rumors of the AOTC storyline being leaked early and compare it to what we saw on screen? I seem to recall alot of the early 'leaked' stories were horribly wrong.

I also seriously doubt we will see guts and gushing head wounds. This is GL and what he means by gory will be the ANankin burn makeup not gory combat.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-10-17 03:11pm

yes, Stravo, thus my joke about the Terratino/Woo version of ep III.

hell even when Coppala and Lucas fund horror movies, it's more of the freaky spook you stuff then it is slasher. They don't do that. It sounds more like if Shep were directing the new version then it does Lucas.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-17 04:40pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:Some pretty interesting stuff from TFN:

Obi-Wan was sent to the new planet to "break up" a meeting of the Separatists at the location. Padme also has tracked down Anakin there. When she finds Anakin, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders.

She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child.

Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside as Obi-Wan ignites his saber and the duel begins.

When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world.

Here's an addition:

Padme is killed by Anakin. He uses the force 'strangle' on her and goes a little too far. He doesn't mean to kill her.

Also, when Anakin wakes up as Darth Vader and is told what happened to him he becomes so angry he rips apart the room he's in with the Force.

And lastly, when Mace Windu confronts Palpatine, Palpatine's electricity bolts deflect off Windu's saber and into Anakin's eyes. Anakin flips out again and lops off Mace's arm.

I like the term "Force Choke" myself - and it is a great connection to Vader's penchant for choking people in classic Star Wars.

And the source is on the right track but the reason Vader rips the room apart isn't because of what happened to him. It is because of Vader being told he killed Padme.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2003-10-17 05:42pm

More:

Padme is killed by Anakin. He uses the force 'strangle' on her and goes a little too far. He doesn't mean to kill her.
Also, when Anakin wakes up as Darth Vader and is told what happened to him he becomes so angry he rips apart the room he's in with the Force.

And lastly, when Mace Windu confronts Palpatine, Palpatine's electricity bolts deflect off Windu's saber and into Anakin's eyes. Anakin flips out again and lops off Mace's arm.

I like the term "Force Choke" myself - and it is a great connection to Vader's penchant for choking people in classic Star Wars.
And the source is on the right track but the reason Vader rips the room apart isn't because of what happened to him. It is because of Vader being told he killed Padme.

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Let's put it this way... Padme's ultimate fate is still unknown. Lucas covered BOTH scenarios during filming and left some things open for change for the pickups next year if need be. And this was actually pretty easy. It doesn't really affect the rest of the story much at all, because either she dies... or everyone thinks she's dead (besides Bail & Co of course) and she lives out the rest of her life in tragic anonymity. It will all come down to Lucas' final decision on whether or not he wants her to die within the context of EP3 itself. And my contention is unless he intends of ammending that scene in ROTJ, she'll survive EP3. Either that or, like I said, one of the dumbest little plot holes ever is born.

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Obi-Wan was sent to the new planet to "break up" a meeting of the Separatists at the location. Padme also has tracked down Anakin there. When she finds Anakin, he has already dispatched all the Seperatist leaders.
She is still not full term yet in her pregnancy. Anakin only believes she is pregnant with one child.

Anakin force-chokes Padme and throws her aside as Obi-Wan ignites his saber and the duel begins.

When the twins are born, it is not due to Padme going into labor, but out of necessity to rescue them from her before she passes.

The twins are born on a brand new never-before seen world.

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Palpatine has a lightsaber.

Palpatine declares himself Emperor to the Senate, and puts blames on his actions on the shoulders of the Jedi Order.

Padme does indeed die in the film. She dies while giving birth to Luke and Leia. Leia's reference to her beautiful mother is probably Queen Organa of Aldeeran.

Anakin Skywalker demise most likely is the graphic one. This person said that it would be impossible that Episode 3 will get away with a PG Rating. Burns and injuries in Episode 3 will concur with the cybernetic prosthethics seen in the Force Rays Endoskeleton in Return Of The Jedi! They were able to see the cast for the injured Anakin, and it reveals the injury to the left side of the neck and jaw!

Grevious is probably the most awesome Cyborg seen to date. He will be the General in Command of the Droid Army!

No one received the full script to the movie. So no one really knows how everything is going to play out.

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Does Palpatine really have a lightsaber? The jury is still out on if that would be even cool or not. So while we can't say for sure, we do believe that the evidence points to this being true.

And we also can confirm the obvious about the Senate scenes for Episode III - the Jedi turn into the big scapegoat for everything, especially the war.

And as for Padme dying giving birth, this also we belive is accurate ... from a certain point of view. Somebody else injures her, if you've read previous SPY REPORTS you'll know who we're taking about and she dies as a result of those injuries. She finally succumbs to those injuries while giving birth. The birthing process itself does not kill her. Maybe the "clinical environment" mentioned in tonight's Behind the Helmet pic will give you an idea of where she is taken to deliver and then die.

Yeah, as stated in previous spy reports, Anakin gets seriously messed up. We know that George will use skillful editing and the Star Wars reputation to maintain his PG rating. Though PG-13 rumblings persist.

As for General Grevious, we'll let Darth Friday tell you what they think of that fellow in the morning. Get on the Grevious train, and pray for a name change, folks.

We're also still not sure of the exact motives in the death of Padme. Something there still isn't adding up but again they've filmed different versions of the same stuff, so who knows. And also keep in mind that Darth Blight reminds us that the full script is indeed still a "work in progress"; the script that the actors had seen was current as of that day in relation to their work.

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-The General Grevious report is completely true. As of recently, his name was still General Grevious. Could it change? Could George re-spell it "Greevus?" Was a Saber-Dart once called a Kyber-Dart? Was Sifo-Dyas once called Sido-Dyas? Sure, but for now, that is the reality. All that is missing from that original report is the fight between Anakin and Dooku (definitely expect limbs to be lost). Palpatine is shackled to his chair (you saw it on hyperspace already) with a huge panoramic window behind him. The room is extremely evocative of the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ. The Seperatist ship that they are aboard is a long, slender, sleek vessel. The hanger bay is towards the back of the ship with giant doors that are open on both sides (so you could fly straight through the hole if you wanted.) Do not picture a TF Droid Control ship. They look nothing alike.

-Obi-Wan and his troops (following orders from the council), track Grevious down. Obi-Wan gives chase of Grevious aboard an animal that would best be described as a large and fast lizard. Grevious rides in a vehicle that resembles a one-wheeled version of a Hailfire droid. During their saber duel, Grevious' forearms each split in two and he wields a total of 4 lightsabers in combat.

-Palpatine had the clone troopers made with genetic data that allows him to take complete control of them when he needs to.

-After Obi-Wan eliminates Grevious (confirmed, its a blaster up the guts. A real juicy death for Grevious. Expect his head to leak fluids too), he returns to his troops. Palpatine gives the order for all the clone troopers to kill their jedi masters. Obi-Wan narrowly escapes and all the jedi in the film from this point forward would be considered enemies of the Republic and fugitives. This scene is a bit tragic for Obi-Wan as he is forced to kill a clone trooper he had befriended fighting together in the clone wars.

-Quick shots are shown on multiple worlds of clone troopers turning on their Jedi generals and eliminating them in several creative ways. (for example, you'll see a new world, followed by Republic tanks with a jedi commander on board. The order is given and the tank next to it turns it's turret and opens fire on the jedi tank at point blank range.) Watch for prominent jedi council members to go out this way.

-Yoda has little difficulty dealing with the clone troopers that turn on him on Kashyyyk, especially with the help of the wookiees. You will see why Han warns about wookiees being known to rip people's arms out of their sockets. And don't expect wookiees to be portrayed as simply "tall ewoks." Their technology is very advanced as is their vehicles, and they make good use of the lagoons on their world during combat. Watch for Yoda to do his whole "Away with your weapons I mean you no harm!" bit to fool the clone troopers as Chewie comes up behind them and knocks them unconscious. Wookiee vehicles definitely have a propeller theme. They have a boat with 2 pontoons (it looks like a catamaran). And they have one-man helicopter vehicles they fly around in.

-The last mission that Palpatine sends Anakin Skywalker on is a mission to the planet Mustafar. He is to terminate the remaining leaders of the Seperatists who have gathered there for a meeting.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-21 07:46pm

In the opening space battle where capital ships are going at it, a scene was animated where a seperatist ship rips open a hole in one of the republic cruisers, and CloneTroopers go spilling out into space.

Then cut to a first-person view and you virtually fly out of the ship with the clone troopers.

Damn, at this rate, by the time this movie comes out, this thread will have a scene by scene script of it.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-10-21 07:52pm

YT300000 wrote:
In the opening space battle where capital ships are going at it, a scene was animated where a seperatist ship rips open a hole in one of the republic cruisers, and CloneTroopers go spilling out into space.

Then cut to a first-person view and you virtually fly out of the ship with the clone troopers.
Damn, at this rate, by the time this movie comes out, this thread will have a scene by scene script of it.

I am VERY skeptical about these 'early leaks'. I remeber the AOTC and especially TPM early leaks were absolute horsehit.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-21 07:55pm

Stravo wrote:I am VERY skeptical about these 'early leaks'. I remeber the AOTC and especially TPM early leaks were absolute horsehit.

But here we have easily ten times as many of them, even if only some are correct, we will know quite a bit of the story.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-21 11:29pm

Jedinet.com claims to have scored a description of the ending of ep-3.

As the ending sequences of Episode III begin to play across the screen we see Anakin Skywalker awakening as Darth Vader for the first time since his epic duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on the 'lava planet' known as Mustafar. Once he awakens he questions Palpatine as to the whereabouts of Padme, to which Palpatine responds with "You killed her..." Skywalker/Vader goes into a Force-powered rage, screams the trademark "Nooo..." and the scene fades into a sequence of crossfades including the following items:

* Padme's funeral
* Obi-Wan Kenobi arriving on Tatooine and delivering the infant Luke Skywalker to Owen and Beru Lars
* Bail Organa and his wife on Alderaan with the infant Leia Skywalker. R2-D2 and C-3PO are present on Alderaan as well.

Then, then final shot of the film features Darth Vader, Darth Sidious/Palpatine, and Tarkin on the bridge of a Star Destroyer, overlooking the construction of the first Death Star. At that time the end credits roll.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-21 11:38pm

I hope that shit isn't true. It contradicts a lot of EU and its dumb for a much smaller battlestation to take 2 decades to build, while the second vastly more volumnous one took 6 months to be over half-completed, both secretly.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-10-21 11:54pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I hope that shit isn't true. It contradicts a lot of EU and its dumb for a much smaller battlestation to take 2 decades to build, while the second vastly more volumnous one took 6 months to be over half-completed, both secretly.

You could argue that the first one had a lot of kinck to work out, whereas the second one the technologies were tried and 'off the shelf' if you like. That is if the report is true.

EDIT :: Also the first Death Star was built while the Imperial Senate was still in session, so you could argue there was dificulties in moving around the 'discretional funds' for the project.

Whereas the Second Death Star the Emperor had dissolved the senate, and he didn't need any kind of oversight commities to dodge.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-22 12:11am

I'd safely discount anything about the endings that hasn't been confirmed in hyperspace webcam- for example, that Anakin will duel Dooku in front of a captured Palpatine (supposedly shackled to his chair) is confirmed.

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