How powerful was the Rebellion ?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-10-19 07:06pm

Sorosuub, IIRC, was recaptured just prior to the battle of Endor by the Sullustans with assistance from the Rebellion.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-10-19 07:10pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:The events of Dark Empire took place TEN YEARS after the Emperor's death at Endor.

The events of Dark Empire transpire nine years after the Battle of Yavin in A New Hope, i.e., five years after the Battle of Endor.

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Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-10-19 08:35pm

Yes Connor, DF, I was wrong. I just checked the EGTP&M and it says when Keyan Farlander rescued a SoroSuub executive from Imperial captivity, they secretly threw their lot in with the Rebellion and as their first act as a Rebel world they allowed the Rebel fleet to use their planet as a jump-off point. But SoroSuub's defection in secret and they never had a chance to produce ships for the Alliance until after the death of the Emperor, so the point is moot.

Publius wrote:The events of Dark Empire transpire nine years after the Battle of Yavin in A New Hope, i.e., five years after the Battle of Endor.

Whoopsie, I meant Yavin not Endor. Also the Essential Chronolgy says DE happened ten years after Yavin, not nine.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-10-19 08:58pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Whoopsie, I meant Yavin not Endor. Also the Essential Chronolgy says DE happened ten years after Yavin, not nine.

It was written by KJA, what do you expect?

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-10-19 11:40pm

YT300000 wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Whoopsie, I meant Yavin not Endor. Also the Essential Chronolgy says DE happened ten years after Yavin, not nine.
It was written by KJA, what do you expect?

No, as Connor MacLeod has forcefully argued, The Essential Chronology's placement is substantially accurate (and in agreement with that of the Star Wars Encyclopedia); the bulk of Dark Empire's events did take place in the tenth year. The events started at the very end of the ninth year, immediately after Prince-Admiral Krennel's death.

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Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-19 11:48pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Before you debate this with me, please read this: More proof the Empire is seriously undermilitarized...

I was speculating on an explanation, not trying to debate with anything.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-19 11:52pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:[The events of Dark Empire took place TEN YEARS after the Emperor's death at Endor. Pre-Endor, the Rebels were able to make away with a few pleasure cruisers from Calamari's docks--powerful ships yes, but hardly a reason to lose such a valuable resource--ten years later Mon Cal was one of the NRs largest and well-defended planets. Why start a massive campaign to just re-aquire the docks (especially intact) when it would be easier to strip the planet itself of the resources that make it so powerful? This required weapons previously unavailible to the Empire: World Devastators.

Regardless of wether or not you got the timing right (an honest mistake

), its a direct quote from Admiral Ackbar thatMon Cal was going to be destroyed by the Death Star, and since Ackbar was slave to one Tarkin himself I would probably believe him.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-20 02:53pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:The fact that the Empire was severely undermilitarized is supported bu the Truce at Bakura. At the beginning of the Ssi-Ruuk invasion Han Solo says himself that the nearest available Imperial Fleet (Death Squadron) was in dry dock. This means that quite a few sectors where undefended, meaning that the Imperial fleet was very under strength.
What the...?

How does the fact that the local fleet was under drydock mean the whole Imperial fleet was under-strength?

And Bakura was a minor colony, not a member world, AND Palpatine had willingly allowed the Ssi-ruuk to invade some outlying colonies in exchange for entechment technology.

For a start Bakura was considered quite important because of it's repulsor manugfacturing, for a second i consider the empire to be serriously understrengh because between Death Squadron and Bakura all the Empire had to spare was one Carrack Cruiser.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-20 03:15pm

Lord Pounder wrote:For a start Bakura was considered quite important because of it's repulsor manugfacturing, for a second i consider the empire to be serriously understrengh because between Death Squadron and Bakura all the Empire had to spare was one Carrack Cruiser.

Novel repulsorlift technology and a token number of citizens out in the boonies of galaxy does not make it a particularly important colony. A Carrack cruiser is to be expected as defense for an outlying colony.

Remember that the modest Mid Rim sector containing Naboo has 30,000 dependencies. Take an Imperial Sector Group and divide it by that. Its quite understandable in such a middle of nowhere colony only peacemeal protection was available.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-20 04:35pm

Ok then, however takes the fact that it took the Rebel task force several days by hyperspace to hit Bakura, if claims about SW hyperdrives are to be believed thats a lot of traveling, and in all this traveling there wasn't even a spare Destroyer closer than the shattered Death Squadron?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-20 05:05pm

Available ships is important. Esp. after Endor. You do realize the Sector Groups were mostly an anti-insurrection and permanent occupation forces, right? After Endor, those forces were VITAL. The Outer Rim was about to explode in insurrection and warlordism. I seriously doubt there were SDs to spare, even then.

Why do you think the NR could win the war? Those massive naval reserves had to stay put to quell rebellion and local conflict, while all the NR had to do was field an offensive/defensive roving fleet. The Empire had to have both an offensive/defensive roving fleet AND its permanent occupation forces.

Admiral_K · Post by **Admiral_K** » 2003-10-20 05:20pm

Darth Wong wrote: He was being optimistic. The Americans thought they could crush Al-Quaeda by blowing up some training camps in Afghanistan too.

Well I don't think anyone thought Al Quaeda would be completely eliminated, but we haven't had any terrorist attacks on American Soil since then.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-20 05:50pm

Funny, I seem to remember these Snipers...and there have been plenty off our homeland.

Besides, compare the pre-Operation Enduring Freedom track record: one attack in 94 on the Trade Center, another on 01. They have five years to make a more quick follow-up attack to see if we did anything to make a difference.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-10-20 06:47pm

evilcat4000 wrote:We know a lot about how powerful and vast the Empire was. But what about the Rebellion ? What kind of fleets, industrial base, star sytems etc did they have ?

As of ROTJ, most of it's fleet was a dozen or two cruisers, their largest ship being smaller then 4 kilometers. Any planets they "held" must have been extremely minor worlds (unchrted sttlements mentioned in ESB or one of small minor colonies of sparcely populated sectorss like Naboo).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-20 07:17pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Available ships is important. Esp. after Endor. You do realize the Sector Groups were mostly an anti-insurrection and permanent occupation forces, right? After Endor, those forces were VITAL. The Outer Rim was about to explode in insurrection and warlordism. I seriously doubt there were SDs to spare, even then.

Why do you think the NR could win the war? Those massive naval reserves had to stay put to quell rebellion and local conflict, while all the NR had to do was field an offensive/defensive roving fleet. The Empire had to have both an offensive/defensive roving fleet AND its permanent occupation forces.

Conceded.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-10-20 11:42pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Conceded.

Accepted. You're a tenacious duelist, and a honest one.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-10-21 11:49am

Do keep in mind that the Rebels had three oft-overlooked advantages:

(a) As insurrectionists rather than a controlling power, the Rebels were chief beneficiaries of apathy or corruption; actions taken by shell corporations, criminal syndicates, and other seemingly "normal" law-breakers would have served to cover Alliance tracks - and reap substantiative rewards;

(b) Much of the Rebel fleet was scavanged, scrapped, or "borrowed." Pirates and turn-coat imperials were a major source of early capital ships; private beneficiaries - as was the case in the American revolution - probably footed the bills for starfighters and freighters; it makes even more sense if you consider the (relatively) small size and anomalous composition of the forces at Endor;

(c) Larger ships appear to have been a dime a dozen, and most of the starfighters were exceedingly old or stripped down (i.e. the Y- and A-Wings). Capital vessels were potentially converted to other designations (the medical frigate 'Redeption' comes to mind) because of a lack of weaponry).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-10-21 05:59pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Conceded.
Accepted. You're a tenacious duelist, and a honest one.

I'm still learning this debating lark. I feel i'm getting better. However there is no point trying to change things and facts when i see I'm wrong.

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