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So today I read the following on FreeRepublic.com. I found it hilarious, but was extremely sad at the same time that this guy actually believes this. This dude is scary:
Jim Robinson wrote:I happen to believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton were the worst presidents in our nation's history. Corruption, government abuse, treason and daily scandal were the norm under their rule. Bill is a useful idiot who can't keep his mouth shut or his zipper up and Hillary is an America hating godless communist power monger. These are my personal opinions.

Bill and Hillary Clinton and their minions still wield a tremendous amount of power and influence over the Democrat Party, the socialist movement and the national press. Their goals are to completely eliminate our rights to free speech, free religion, freedom to keep and bear arms, etc., and these are just for starters.

I believe the overall goal of their movement is to completely do away with the U.S. Constitution and in its place, install socialist/totalitarian rule over America. Furthermore, I believe they wish to do away with our national sovereignty altogether and subject America to domination by the U.N. and other world bodies.

Now you may call me a nutcase if you wish, but that's the way I see it. I believe that in the last century, FDR, LBJ, RMN, Carter, Clinton, et al, successfully introduced many socialist programs into our government and our way of life and with the help of the media and atheist institutions like the ACLU began systematically destroying the fabric of our society. In the process, they've moved both of our major political parties way over to the left. They (the liberals/marxists/socialists) have almost completely taken over all of our government institutions and agencies, the judiciary, the press, the Universities, our education systems, our charities, even our churches.

I believe that as long as Bill and Hillary Clinton and their like minded socialist minions have any influence or power over the government or either of the two major political parties, our nation and all of our freedoms are in extreme danger.

Free Republic was created in 1996 as a place where liberty-minded individuals could gather and share the news and discuss the Clinton scandals and other government abuses. I had hoped that the truth of the Clinton corruption would come out in time to prevent his re-election in 1996. Didn't happen. So we moved on. If we couldn't block his re-election, well, perhaps we could help with his impeachment. He was impeached, but we could not remove him.

So next, we decide to do all in our power to ensure that his second in command does not get to the Whitehouse. Even though GWB was not my first choice, once he won the Republican nomination, most of us rallied behind him and fought like the dickens to get him elected. Then we fought again to block the attempted Gore coup d'etat. Our Free Republic chapters mobilized all across the nation and there were thousands of rallies and protests in hundreds of cities objecting loudly to Gore's attempted takeover.

Then we all thanked God when Bush was finally declared the winner and off to Washington we went to celebrate at the Free Republic George W. Bush Inaugural Ball (I).

Then we all thank God again when after the cowardly attack on our nation by a gang of murderous international terrorists we realize how close we were to complete collapse and national destruction had the socialist U.N. loving Al Gore been in charge. Thank God for President Bush!

And I haven't even mentioned how evil I truly believe the official Democrat Party platform is. Here's a partial laundry list of what the Democrat Party supports and promotes: abortion; homosexuality; feminaziism; environmentalism; government control over every aspect of our lives and society; socialized health care; disarmament of the American people; subjugation of the U.S. to the U.N.; the complete elimination of our national sovereignty; complete destruction of our basic traditional family unit; loss of personal freedoms and individual liberty. In other words, complete destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights and our American way of life.

I came to the conclusion several years ago that there is no way this republic can survive if we allow the Democrat Party to maintain control over our government and other institutions. If America is to survive as we know it, Bill and Hillary Clinton and all the current democrat/socialist power mongers who share their philosophy and visions for a socialist America and socialist world must be soundly rejected and defeated at the polls.

And not just at the presidential level. They must be rejected and removed from both houses of Congress and from our State houses and local legislatures. For example, if we cannot remove them from the Senate, then there is no hope for reestablishing a judiciary built on the original intent of the Constitution and the rule-of-law. The liberals and socialists must be rooted out of our congress and our judiciary. Our free republic, our freedom and even liberty itself depends on it.

Just my humble opinion and why I act the way I do. I see the Democrat Party as domestic enemy number one of the Constitution and therefor it is my sworn enemy. And, in my eyes, anyone who helps to elect members of the Democrat party are aiding and abetting the enemy.

Futhermore, I believe wholeheartedly in the original intent of our Founding Fathers and in the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

God gave us these unalienable rights and they can never be taken from us by man or government. And we are ALL to be treated justly and equally under the law.

"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

Yes, the Founders established a government and set forth the plan for us to govern ourselves.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

The government has become destructive to these ends. One of the main purposes of our government is to defend, preserve and protect our liberty. It has been doing just the opposite. Therefore, it is our right and duty to alter or abolish it. I propose doing so by destroying enemy number one of the Constitution, the corrupt socialist Democrat Party.
I thought about rebutting this, but this thing is more full of holes than swiss cheese so it's pointless. What's worse that everyone who replied to it agreed. :roll:

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He's right about one thing. The Democratic party actually used to be good,
it was a nice complement to the Republican party, moderating the republicans, while the Republicans moderated the Democrats.

But in the 1960s, and later on, it seems to me that the looney leftists
took over the party, making people like Zell Miller the minority.
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Ol' scam artist RimJob gets a few words in, while planning out his vacation in the RV he bought with Freeper donations.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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Hamel wrote:while planning out his vacation in the RV he bought with Freeper donations.
Got proof for this, or are you talking out your ass like usual?
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MKSheppard wrote: But in the 1960s, and later on, it seems to me that the looney leftists
took over the party, making people like Zell Miller the minority.
What defines "loony leftist"? Zell Miller is only a democrat in name.
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Natorgator wrote: What defines "loony leftist"? Zell Miller is only a democrat in name.
Ted Kennedy, along with Maxine Waters are some good examples.

Zell Miller is still a democrat, and he hit the nail on the head here:
He's not proud of today's Democratic Party — or so one gathers from the title of Georgia Sen. Zell Miller's new book, "A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat."

As Mr. Miller puts it, "No Democrat wants to tell the leaders of their party that they have halitosis."

But he does, fingering the breath and "axis" of four party leaders — Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, former President Bill Clinton, former Vice President Al Gore and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle — for having "created an atmosphere so bad that it is almost impossible for Democrats to be heard."

He's not any prouder of the 2004 Democratic presidential candidates, particularly their campaign rhetoric of late against the U.S. intervention in Iraq.

"My concern is that ... they are exacerbating the difficulties of a nation at war," says Mr. Miller, calling Howard Dean the worst offender of all who should take some "calm-me-down pills."

"Some of the liberal media excuse these actions by calling them 'populism.' Populism, my butt! It's demagogy, pure and simple," the Democrat scolds. "They should stop this, or at least modify it into a more civil discourse."

If the candidates don't — if they continue to "listen to the politically tone-deaf special interest brokers who are totally ignorant of the real-world political landscape" — then Mr. Miller predicts the "week after the election in November 2004, there's going to be a lot of empty-feeling Democrats in their sackloth and ashes."

As for President Bush's style of governing?

"I like the fact that the Bush White House is not timid about making a decision and does not suffer from 'analysis paralysis,' the malady that is common to those learned people who know so much and can see all sides," says the senator, adding that despite his failures, Mr. Clinton "was the exception."

"I care not to get into what happened that second term with Monica and the lies and the meaning of 'is' and the impeachment and the pardons," he says. "But for a few brief moments, before all the stuff hit the fan, the Democratic Party had a candidate I could identify with and was willing to fight for."
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Miller is a DINO.
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MKSheppard wrote: Ted Kennedy, along with Maxine Waters are some good examples.
I was under the impression that Ted Kennedy was more to the left than most of his party, but I could be wrong.

As far as what Miller wrote, a similar argument could probably be made about the leadership of the Republican party as well, what with the whole "liberal" being made into a dirty word and whatnot.
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Iceberg wrote:Miller is a DINO.
We'll let you have Miller if you take John McCain from us then :lol:
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Iceberg wrote:Miller is a DINO.
Seriously, why? He reminds me of the Democrats of old, way before
Lyndon Johnson made overarching government programs the masturbatory
playtoy of every democrat who wanted to rise to any level in the party.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Hamel wrote:while planning out his vacation in the RV he bought with Freeper donations.
Got proof for this, or are you talking out your ass like usual?
It depends on whether you'll take the words of ex-Freeper Shep clones seriously.

Info on JR's lies about expenses

FR launched frivolous suit against poster Eschoir, costing FR $113,000, to be paid off in 3k/month increments. Freepers not told about lawsuit, and they're footing the bill without even knowing it.

Jim claims a $50,000 savings since 2002 by switching to a Verio ISP, but the savings are not passed on to Freepers. Donerthon targets have gone up:$66,0000 a quarter--$264,000 a year. The goals are almost double what was asked for in 1999, when bandwidth costs were supposedly $50,000/year. FR claims 8-9k/month for bandwidth as of 2002. Either FR took it up the ass with outrageous bandwidth charges, or JR lied as usual.

So much material to search through though.
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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Hamel wrote: It depends on whether you'll take the words of ex-Freeper Shep clones seriously.
Ok, I'll go look thru the place, Seriously, I only go to FR for breaking news,
sometimes they're faster than the news, and I'm still miffed they banned
me for posting that McCain might retire (a rumor I heard from another
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I've found it's more that the US went ridiculously right wing in the 60's, but who knows... Yes, this guy is clearly a nutter. The amusing thing is, for criticizing Clinton, he's considered par for the course.
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MKSheppard wrote:
Hamel wrote: It depends on whether you'll take the words of ex-Freeper Shep clones seriously.
Ok, I'll go look thru the place, Seriously, I only go to FR for breaking news,
sometimes they're faster than the news, and I'm still miffed they banned
me for posting that McCain might retire (a rumor I heard from another
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Pfft. I spend more time at FR than I do at sd.net or DU combined.

*remembers Chuy's incident*
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
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SirNitram wrote:I've found it's more that the US went ridiculously right wing in the 60's, but who knows.
Uhm, wait, massive overarching social programs known as the
"Great Society" is considered right wing? :wtf:

Oh wait, you're from Britain, nevermind :lol:
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MKSheppard wrote:
SirNitram wrote:I've found it's more that the US went ridiculously right wing in the 60's, but who knows.
Uhm, wait, massive overarching social programs known as the
"Great Society" is considered right wing? :wtf:

Oh wait, you're from Britain, nevermind :lol:
Yea, we understand that the USA is massively RightWing, even if they don't see it. Consider this, those of you who will consider other viewpoints:

The Left Wing Extreme(All things controlled by the government, Communism) is criminalized and demonized in the 50's-60's. The Right Wing Extreme(All things in the control of private citizens, or more accurately, corporations) is still perfectly legal, and considered a 'good idea' more and more.

Let's see. Criminalizing/demonizing one extreme while glorifying the other. That'd shift the local view of the 'center' a bit, now wouldn't it?
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SirNitram wrote: The Left Wing Extreme(All things controlled by the government, Communism) is criminalized and demonized in the 50's-60's.
I believe you left out a little thing involving Senator McCarthy and
his subsequent self-destruction in 1954. And the American Communist
party was never criminalized. I believe you're getting America and Europe
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MKSheppard wrote:
SirNitram wrote: The Left Wing Extreme(All things controlled by the government, Communism) is criminalized and demonized in the 50's-60's.
I believe you left out a little thing involving Senator McCarthy and
his subsequent self-destruction in 1954. And the American Communist
party was never criminalized. I believe you're getting America and Europe
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McCarthy Trials existed, massive anti-Communist propaganda existed, the Black List... I realize you want to remove anything that'll paint your country as the true massive-Right Wing place it is, but I'd appreciate you not outright lying. McCarthy did self destruct, but his influence lives on.
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Yea, we understand that the USA is massively RightWing, even if they don't see it. Consider this, those of you who will consider other viewpoints:
And we consider y'all a bunch of left wing fanatics. It's all about perspective.
The Left Wing Extreme(All things controlled by the government, Communism) is criminalized and demonized in the 50's-60's.
No, not really in the 60's. Sure, in the 50's, although in the case of left wing extremists who also happened to be selling out and spying on the United States for the Soviet Union, that demonzation and criminalization was certainly justified.
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SirNitram wrote: McCarthy Trials existed, massive anti-Communist propaganda existed, the Black List...
All in the early 1950s, not the 1960s as you claimed.
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MKSheppard wrote:
SirNitram wrote: McCarthy Trials existed, massive anti-Communist propaganda existed, the Black List...
All in the early 1950s, not the 1960s as you claimed.
Mea Culpa. Off by ten years; doesn't really change the fact that it's massively changed even modern perceptions. Even today, Communism is considered ridiculous(Which it admittably is), while NeoCons run free and happy, promoting their retarded idea of everything in the hands of corporations.
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while NeoCons run free and happy, promoting their retarded idea of everything in the hands of corporations.
Do you even know what a neocon is?
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while NeoCons run free and happy, promoting their retarded idea of everything in the hands of corporations.
Do you even know what a neocon is?
Lots of Neocons are proud of the fact that they want to privatize everything. I don't see what's so wrong with what he said.
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Lots of Neocons are proud of the fact that they want to privatize everything. I don't see what's so wrong with what he said.
Neoconservatism is a foreign policy ideology. It doesn't really have a position on domestic issues.
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Well, it does have a position, but a fairly-middle-of-the-road position, not the arch-conservative position you are imagining it to have.
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