whats wrong about the NJO Books

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2002-10-01 03:55pm

well why do you guys hate them so much???

ps. dose any one here like stackpoles books beside me?? At least he gets the exzeutor langth right (man i cant spell to day(come to think of it "I" coud never spell veary well))

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-01 04:11pm

I personally like Stackpole. Without him, Wedge would have still been a secondary character, as would have Wes and Hobbie.

On the other hand, I don't like the NJO series strictly because of commercialism. One singular giant story-arc going through 20-odd books, some of which are hardback and therefor expensive, that in my viewpoint means you have to read all the books to understand what's going on. I got as far as the Han Solo duology and gave up. That was the most useless piece of crap I've ever tried to read. Even with as much as I love Aaron Allston, I can't bring myself to read those books because of the fact I'm about 6 books behind.

anyway... I too am curious as to why everyone seems to despise Mike.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-01 04:11pm

Troll detected in gird two

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-01 04:24pm

Does Stackpole indeed label the Executor as 17,5 km long?
That'd earn him my respect.

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2002-10-01 04:28pm

here it is (X-wing bacta war)(i got this from here) http://www.theforce.net/swtc/novels/xwtbw.html

Captain Drysso watched the holopad's display of the battle. "Helm, Freedom is trying to slash over the top of us. Roll us so we can track her."
"Captain, if you do that, we'll expose our ventral surface to the snubfighters."
"I know that, Helm." Drysso looked over at the beefy man heading up his gunnery command. "Guns, use our ion cannons on Freedom. I want that ship."
...
Drysso's hand rose with his voice. "Understand me, people. This is a Super Star Destroyer. A handful of snubfighters and a ship a tenth of our size cannot hurt us. Do what you are told and victory will be ours!" Ventral surface of Lusankya is more vulnerable than dorsal surface or flanks.
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Captain Drysso refers to an ISD as being less than a tenth the size of Lusakya.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-01 04:34pm

Size not length mind you, the 17.5 Executor class would have the volume of more than a hundred SDs.
Anyways....

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-01 04:43pm

I think so far, with a few exceptions (Dark Journey and Balance Point were not at all engaging), the series has been quite good, Conquest, Star by Star, and Traitor in particular. I'm really looking forward to Destiny's Way.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-01 04:46pm

Never, ever, EVER, read Dark Journey. It's poorly written, and the rest of the series TOTALLY ignores it.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-01 04:52pm

IG-88E wrote:Never, ever, EVER, read Dark Journey. It's poorly written, and the rest of the series TOTALLY ignores it.

Yes, yes it is utter crap, and a blot in the storyline. Damn Kyp Durron & Jaina for associating with the bastard. The whole storyline is sluggish and nothing happens until the last 30 pages. I would of burned the burned the book if Jag Fel was not in it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 05:11pm

I don't hate the NJO books the way many posters do. I don't mind the character deaths at all (in fact, I even think some of them have added to the story). I don't mind the Yuuzhan Vong, because I recognize that the Jedi need opponents who can fight them on relatively equal terms to keep the books exciting. I loved SbS, I kind of liked several of the other books. However, as a series, I don't think that they have come anywhere near their promise. I think I could have written a better novel. It is unfortunate that so many of the books are of inferior quality. Books like SbS are balanced by others that have just been taking up space, and they have had no real purpose. I don't like some of the characters, particularly Jacen (although he was okay in Traitor). And I think that many of the plot elements are SERIOUSLY contrived. Part of SW is going beyond the limits of what has been done before, and none of the NJO books have really tried to do that.

AL · Post by AL » 2002-10-01 05:36pm

didnt Hobbie die in the ESB Novelization. Didnt he fly his speeder into veers' walker killing veers and himself or am i thinking of someone else?

arctic_series · Post by **arctic_series** » 2002-10-01 05:49pm

why kill anakin for ?

i think they don't want us to read the NJO series or something. it's like watching the original episode IV and luke dies half way through. even though you're lead to believe that he's the pinnacle of the series.

now wouldn't that be lame ? well that's basically NJO.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-01 06:22pm

AL wrote:didnt Hobbie die in the ESB Novelization. Didnt he fly his speeder into veers' walker killing veers and himself or am i thinking of someone else?

Yep, he sure did. Though he survived becuse Lucas cut the scene. Sadly, Veers died on Balmorra during Dark Empire II.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-01 06:35pm

Lt. Nebfer wrote:here it is (X-wing bacta war)(i got this from here) http://www.theforce.net/swtc/novels/xwtbw.html

Captain Drysso watched the holopad's display of the battle. "Helm, Freedom is trying to slash over the top of us. Roll us so we can track her."
"Captain, if you do that, we'll expose our ventral surface to the snubfighters."
"I know that, Helm." Drysso looked over at the beefy man heading up his gunnery command. "Guns, use our ion cannons on Freedom. I want that ship."
...
Drysso's hand rose with his voice. "Understand me, people. This is a Super Star Destroyer. A handful of snubfighters and a ship a tenth of our size cannot hurt us. Do what you are told and victory will be ours!" Ventral surface of Lusankya is more vulnerable than dorsal surface or flanks.
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Captain Drysso refers to an ISD as being less than a tenth the size of Lusakya.

Unhun, and many other times to SSD is placed as being 8000 meters long.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-01 06:40pm

Lt. Nebfer wrote:ps. dose any one here like stackpoles books beside me?? At least he gets the exzeutor langth right (man i cant spell to day(come to think of it "I" coud never spell veary well))

Hukt an Fonicks wurkt fore mi.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 06:53pm

I despise Stackpole. He has such potential and then he throws it away. Some of his books are actually quite good, but he never comes back with a second good one. He is too inconsistent to enjoy. And I, Jedi was such a terrible book that I will never fully forgive him for it.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-10-01 07:23pm

IG-88E wrote:Never, ever, EVER, read Dark Journey. It's poorly written, and the rest of the series TOTALLY ignores it.

ACKKKK and that was the last NJO book I read.......

MUst go to Barnes and Nobles quick!!

Cyaround,
Jason

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-01 07:44pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Never, ever, EVER, read Dark Journey. It's poorly written, and the rest of the series TOTALLY ignores it.
ACKKKK and that was the last NJO book I read.......

MUst go to Barnes and Nobles quick!!

Cyaround,
Jason

The Enemy Lines duology is very good, it's nice to see our old Rebel friends back together kicking some serious Vong ass. In fact, were it not for Dark Journey the whole recent batch of NJO books would all be top-notch.

Has Elaine Cunningham written any decent SW stuff? If not, then on the basis of Dark Journey alone she should never be allowed to write SW again.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-01 08:21pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Soontir C'boath wrote:
IG-88E wrote:Never, ever, EVER, read Dark Journey. It's poorly written, and the rest of the series TOTALLY ignores it.
ACKKKK and that was the last NJO book I read.......

MUst go to Barnes and Nobles quick!!

Cyaround,
Jason
The Enemy Lines duology is very good, it's nice to see our old Rebel friends back together kicking some serious Vong ass. In fact, were it not for Dark Journey the whole recent batch of NJO books would all be top-notch.

Has Elaine Cunningham written any decent SW stuff? If not, then on the basis of Dark Journey alone she should never be allowed to write SW again.

Enemy Lines is good indeed. Especially, when the Lukansya takes down a whole Yuzzhan Vong reserve fleet. oo bad it had too di though it took an equilvant worldship with it. And Elaine Cummingham is a crackpot fanstay writer Hippie. She needs too die.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-10-01 08:32pm

Besides the Queen mother dieing and Tenal Ka becoming queen in Dark Journey did any thing else important happen in it?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-01 08:38pm

Jaina becomes Kyp's apprentice, the Vong are expelled from Hapes.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-10-01 10:48pm

AL wrote:didnt Hobbie die in the ESB Novelization. Didnt he fly his speeder into veers' walker killing veers and himself or am i thinking of someone else?

Yeah, however we can invalidate it rather easily. As little as I like the EU, Hobbie just cannot die. In the novelisation, Veers was getting ready to bring the walker around to fire on the power generator. That's when Hobbie nailed the head of the walker. It even topples to the ground. However, if listings are correct, Hobbie is in fact the guy that speaks the line 'Two starfighters against a Star Destroyer?!?' Either way, Veers walker did indeed knock out the power generator and was never shown to be blown to bits. The Radio Drama makes no mentions of this either. Hobbie is a living man. Dack though, Dack's still dead.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-10-02 05:34am

I guess he should have watched that crossfire, or at least dodged it.

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