Halo PC

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-21 08:30pm

Halo is a good game and is rather fun. Its not great, and its not the end all of FPS games. Had it been released two years ago as a PC product and Microsoft hadn't been involved, things would have been different. Rather then being a port, it would have been designed for the PC. Gearbox did what they could to get Halo on the PC, but its not perfect.

PS, had we gotten the game two years ago, it would have been the major FPS game of that time.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-22 02:07am

neoolong wrote:When were they driving?

I think he's saying the AI will be driving vehicles in Halo 2.

And that is the case. In the E3 demo, the friendly AI drove the player around the city in a warthog while the player manned the gauss rifle turret in the back.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-22 02:16am

Clone Sergeant wrote:
neoolong wrote:When were they driving?
I think he's saying the AI will be driving vehicles in Halo 2.

And that is the case. In the E3 demo, the friendly AI drove the player around the city in a warthog while the player manned the gauss rifle turret in the back.

Oh. I thought when he said they can't drive, he meant that they "can't" drive. As in they are shitty drivers that can't drive worth shit.

I knew they couldn't actually drive. I just thought it would have been more fun if one did in the last level.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-10-22 06:05am

Alyeska wrote:PS, had we gotten the game two years ago, it would have been the major FPS game of that time.

That would put the release in 2001. Half-life was released in 1998, five years a go and it's Single Player mode tops HALO's in just about every way. Deus Ex was released in 2000, Max Payne in 2001 and System Shock 2 in 1999. I don't really see why HALO would have made such a big hit in 2001, there wouldn't have been enything new, innovative or special about it even back then by PC FPS standards.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-10-22 01:24pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
Alyeska wrote:PS, had we gotten the game two years ago, it would have been the major FPS game of that time.
That would put the release in 2001. Half-life was released in 1998, five years a go and it's Single Player mode tops HALO's in just about every way.

It does? Surely, a chimera?

Max Payne in 2001

Possibly the most overrated piece of shit game ever made.

Deus Ex was released in 2000, and System Shock 2 in 1999.

Embrace the uncanny dissimilitude.

I don't really see why HALO would have made such a big hit in 2001, there wouldn't have been enything new, innovative

That is correct, new and innovative game desings notoriously sell best.

or special about it even back then by PC FPS standards.

Have you ever even played Halo?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-10-22 02:07pm

Possibly the most overrated piece of shit game ever made.

Doubtful.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-10-22 02:08pm

I played HALO to a stage called "Under New Management" until getting bored with slaughtering endless drovess of unimaginative enemies with my silly looking blue beam gun and uninstalling the game. While HALO is not a bad game the fact just is that when compared to other FPS I've played HALO is mediocre at best.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-10-22 02:15pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Possibly the most overrated piece of shit game ever made.
Doubtful.

I agree, Max Payne rocked. I found it did have replayability (New York Minute being a bitch!) and there is a healthy mod community, although most of the proposed Total Conversion seem to fall through.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-10-22 03:01pm

Sir Sirius wrote:I played HALO to a stage called "Under New Management" until getting bored with slaughtering endless drovess of unimaginative enemies with my silly looking blue beam gun and uninstalling the game.

Slaughtering endless drovess of unimaginative enemies; this is a peculiar, unique aspect of Halo? How many FPS had you played again?

While HALO is not a bad game the fact just is that when compared to other FPS I've played HALO is mediocre at best.

Your delectation module may be defect. Sue the manufacturer.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-10-22 03:37pm

SHODAN wrote:Slaughtering endless drovess of unimaginative enemies; this is a peculiar, unique aspect of Halo? How many FPS had you played again?

This is a stupid argument. "Lots of FPS suck, so Halo doesn't really suck that bad." I've played a shitload of FPS, from Wolf3D up to my most recent purchase of Halo PC. And I can agree that Halo is mediocre at best. Even ignoring the godlike games that distort perception of all others, like Half-Life or Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight, Halo comes off in the middle of the pack. Halo was hyped as one of the top games of all time. It doesn't even come close; it's not even anything special.

In addition, the opinion of a gamer who thinks Max motherfucking Payne "sucks" doesn't count for much in this discussion. Max Payne was so good that even the Rolling Stone, a mag with only peripheral involvement in Video Gaming, devoted space (a full page, IIRC) to heap praise on it.

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-10-22 03:51pm

I would put Halo up (or down) there with the original Red Faction, fun for a couple of hours, so so multiplayer, and pretty forgettable once i was done with it. Except Red Faction was actually innovative, as opposed to fanboys claiming it was innovative because marketing told them. Well, to be fair, it was innovative in that it was the best FPS for a console, if you can call that innovation (and even then some people think there have been better FPS on consoles)

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-10-22 04:45pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:This is a stupid argument. "Lots of FPS suck, so Halo doesn't really suck that bad."

"In Halo you do exactly same as in every single shooting game ever made, kill lots of things." Is what I was saying.

I've played a shitload of FPS, from Wolf3D up to my most recent purchase of Halo PC. And I can agree that Halo is mediocre at best.

So have I, and Halo is easily among the best.

Even ignoring the godlike games that distort perception of all others, like Half-Life or Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight, Halo comes off in the middle of the pack.

Have your opinion, I do not mind.

Halo was hyped as one of the top games of all time.

Because it is that. Duh.

In addition, the opinion of a gamer who thinks Max motherfucking Payne "sucks" doesn't count for much in this discussion. Max Payne was so good that even the Rolling Stone, a mag with only peripheral involvement in Video Gaming, devoted space (a full page, IIRC) to heap praise on it.

Rolling Stone magazine praises Payne? I was so wrong, I am purged, lustrated, craving forgiveness. I now know rapture; it's name is Max Payne. Max Payne, harbinger of enlightment. Max Payne, true essence of gaming. Ecstasy. Bliss.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-22 04:52pm

I suppose I should remind Sirius that Max Payne was not a FPS.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-10-22 04:57pm

SHODAN wrote:"In Halo you do exactly same as in every single shooting game ever made, kill lots of things." Is what I was saying.

Presicely, that and the fact that HALO offers nothing new and does nothing better a number of other FPSs is what makes HALO mediocre.

SHODAN wrote:So have I, and Halo is easily among the best.
...
Because it is that. Duh.

Why? What properties does HALO posses that make it such a great game?

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-10-22 04:59pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:I suppose I should remind Sirius that Max Payne was not a FPS.

True, it's a 3rdPS, which of course changes the nature of the game entirely making any comparison between it and FPSs meaningless...

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-10-22 05:02pm

I've played through X-Box's Halo Co-op with DP, and played quite a bit of multiplayer, and other than a consice control setup (though even the S controller is still a tad clunky) and some fun vehicles, I don't see what's so 'innovative' about it.

I'm not aware of a single thing that puts the game over 'above average' or 'worth the hype'. If it was innovative, I want to know what features it had that fit that descritpion. If it was worth the hype, I want to know what happened to this 'huge ringworld where hundreds of players can grab vehicles and duke it out' that I was promised went to.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-10-22 05:20pm

Ten commandments of the HALOites.

1. I am the HALO thy Game, who brought thee out of the real world, out of the house of sanity.
2. Thou shalt have no other games. Thou shalt not insert unto thee X-Box a game other then I, nor a game in any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not sit down before them, nor play them; for I the HALO thy Game am a jealous Game, visiting the iniquity of the gamers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that not play Me; And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that play Me and keep My commandments.
3. Thou shalt shout the name of the HALO thy Game from the roof tops; for the HALO will not hold him guiltless that not shoutedh His name from the roof tops.
4. Remember the HALO day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the HALO day in honour of the HALO thy Game; on it thou shalt not do any work, but thou shalt play HALO, as shall thy son, thy daughter, thy manservant and thy maidservant, thy cattle, thy stranger that is within thy gates.
5. Honour Bungie and Micro$oft; in order that thy days may be prolonged by the boredom which the HALO thy Game giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt kill endless drovess of Covenant and Flood.
7. Thou shalt not play other games.
8. Thou shalt steal the weapons of the Covenant and the Flood.
9. Thou shalt bear false witness against other games.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's computer; thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's RPGs, nor his puzzle-games, nor his adventure games, nor his beat'em'ups, nor his simulators, nor any thing that thy neighbour plays.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-10-22 05:32pm

SHODAN wrote:"In Halo you do exactly same as in every single shooting game ever made, kill lots of things." Is what I was saying.

So it's entirely unremarkable. Which is exactly what I was saying, thank you for making my point.

So have I, and Halo is easily among the best.

So I guess you've never played DOOM, Half-Life, DF:JK, Duke3D, Descent, R6, or even Serious Sam. Any of those games blows Halo out of the water in much the same way that an HMS Dreadnought : Santa Maria matchup might go down.

Because it is that. Duh.

We have a difference of opinion, then. I suppose that I can only point out that the majority of reviewers and gamers agreed with me and gave it average reviews. For the X-Box, Halo might be a killer ap and the best game on the system. On the other hand, PC gamers are used to somewhat more quality products. Have you played Halo on the PC and actually made an attempt to compare it to other games.

Rolling Stone magazine praises Payne? I was so wrong, I am purged, lustrated, craving forgiveness. I now know rapture; it's name is Max Payne. Max Payne, harbinger of enlightment. Max Payne, true essence of gaming. Ecstasy. Bliss.

I was pointing out that even mainstream outlets went out of their way to lavish praise on Max Payne (MSNBC is another example). Media organs more directly concerned with Video Gaming were also rather impressed by the game, and it garnered a small amount of praise... to understate the point a bit.

I'm really sensing the desperate whinge of an injured gamer. Might I guess that you just suck at Max Payne?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-10-22 05:57pm

Will you rabid HALOites shut up and stop touching yourselves?

Yes, HALO is a fun game. Yes, it was the argueably the best FPS for consoles at the time, and it's pretty decent right now.

But is the PC version, compared to other PC FPSes, extraordinary? No.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-10-23 11:17am

I keep hearing from friends that Halo sucks. Honestly, I only want to play it because of the story connections with Marathon.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-10-23 11:24am

So if i'm judging this right, Halo absolutley rocked compared to most console FPS's, but when compared to PC FPS's it is slightly above average?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-10-23 11:35am

2000AD wrote:So if i'm judging this right, Halo absolutley rocked compared to most console FPS's, but when compared to PC FPS's it is slightly above average?

I'd say that's a fair assessment. I don't think anyone can honestly say that the PC version sucks compared to other PC FPS games, just that it's not as good as some people are saying it is.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-10-23 06:32pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:We have a difference of opinion, then. I suppose that I can only point out that the majority of reviewers and gamers agreed with me and gave it average reviews. For the X-Box, Halo might be a killer ap and the best game on the system. On the other hand, PC gamers are used to somewhat more quality products. Have you played Halo on the PC and actually made an attempt to compare it to other games.

In fact I have never played X-Box version. Yes, I have played every single game mentioned in this thread and still consider Halo unbeatable. It is the general flawlessness of the game that pleases me, added to entertaining story.

I was pointing out that even mainstream outlets went out of their way to lavish praise on Max Payne (MSNBC is another example). Media organs more directly concerned with Video Gaming were also rather impressed by the game, and it garnered a small amount of praise... to understate the point a bit.

Well, I am right and rest of the universe is indubitably misguided.

I'm really sensing the desperate whinge of an injured gamer. Might I guess that you just suck at Max Payne?

My problem with Payne is that I got bored with camera tricks after first level; and without slowmo and bullet-time it is even more monotonous. Of course I was injured; I paid real money for it.

Shogoki · Post by **Shogoki** » 2003-10-23 08:25pm

Flawlessness? Exactly how is it flawless?
Lame vehicle control, repetitive and few enemies and uninspired weapons, lame level design, somewhat below average graphics, inexcusably poor performance, shitty netcode (i can play BF1942 with 31 other players without any lag, but with Halo 8-10 players does the deal, even those firing at me have problems so i know it's not just me, and all kind of lag glitches happen, while pinging at <100 when i got in the server), multiplayer itself is only average.

If anything i would call it general mediocrity, it doesn't stand apart in any aspect, except, probably, hype.

SpacedTeddyBear · Post by **SpacedTeddyBear** » 2003-10-23 09:31pm

Halo isn't so bad. It's just that after 'The Library', you basically go through ' Assault on the control room' backwards. I have to admit though, after beating that thing on Legendary more times than I can count on my hands and feet, it does get a little dull. Of course you can always try to challenge yourself by let say; Killing a gold elite w/sword using melee attacks. The ones with the plasma rifles are a pain enough.