Best Gun?

[YT300000]

My penis.

I can go one better.
*snip*

Got to be a conversation piece if nothing else.

Woah.

[YT300000]

Here's a quick chart of handgun stopping power. Pay attention to the 'One Shot Stop' column, as that information comes from Evan Marshall's examination of the results of police shootings throughout the US.

Too bad he didn't have enough data to include the .50 AE in that chart.

[The Kernel]

Actually, the US has a large supply of tactical nuclear weapons that are fitted into artillery shells for all sorts of standard artillery pieces. There have even been rumours of a small number of neutron artillery shells in the US and Russian inventory, as well in Israel. *shudder*

[darthdavid]

But, But, But...Are they called atomic annie?

[Glocksman]

Not many police departments use the .50AE.

Besides, the hottest ammo isn't necessarily the best manstopper. It's a combination of velocity, bullet weight, bullet diameter, and bullet design that makes up an effective manstopper.

Full charge .44 magnum or .454 Casull hunting loads are more than capable of killing a man, but they aren't the most efficient choices if you want a one shot stop.

[The Kernel]

Not many police departments use the .50AE.

Besides, the hottest ammo isn't necessarily the best manstopper. It's a combination of velocity, bullet weight, bullet diameter, and bullet design that makes up an effective manstopper.

Full charge .44 magnum or .454 Casull hunting loads are more than capable of killing a man, but they aren't the most efficient choices if you want a one shot stop.

Hell, I'd hazard to say that if you REALLY want the one-stop shot, you don't want handguns at all. The best weapon to stop an individual at close range is a good old 12-gauge shotgun with a 00-buckshot load. I believe it has something like a 99% one-hit takedown statistic. Even with the hardiest flak jacket, you are down for the count with a shot from one of these, and they are cheap as hell to boot.

[phongn]

Actually, the US has a large supply of tactical nuclear weapons that are fitted into artillery shells for all sorts of standard artillery pieces. There have even been rumours of a small number of neutron artillery shells in the US and Russian inventory, as well in Israel. *shudder*

The US tactical nuclear arsenal was removed from service under order of GHWB.

The Israeli arsenal is almost certain to be unassembled gravity bombs for their F-16s.

[phongn]

My penis.

I can go one better.
Got to be a conversation piece if nothing else.

The seismic shock and atmospheric overpressure wave from Rob jumping is much worse than Atomic Annie's shells.

[Dalton]

The seismic shock and atmospheric overpressure wave from Rob jumping is much worse than Atomic Annie's shells.

Are you insulting me or the Annie?

[The Kernel]

The US tactical nuclear arsenal was removed from service under order of GHWB.

The Israeli arsenal is almost certain to be unassembled gravity bombs for their F-16s.

What exactly do you think "removed from service" means? It probably means they are sitting around in the basement of a half-dozen military bases. In fact there is proof that they are still operational as one of the designs for the next-gen bunker buster is to use the retired low-yield tactical nukes. The use of tactical nuclear weapons is politically infeasible, but that may change in the future.

As for the Israelies, it is likely that they have tactical nukes for the purpose of defense against a large land army invasion. There were rumours about this from some of the Israeli nuclear scientists that went public, as well as talk of possible neutron bombs as well as warheads for their Jericho-1/2 cruise missiles.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Call me an "Oldies" fan..

1. Colt or S&W Revolvers .44, .45 or .44 long*Walker Colts, or S&W five round Cal. Pistol* (1860's till 1890's)
2. Sharp's Trapdoor Rifle
3. Colt/Browning M1911 US, .45 automatic pistol
4. Mauser 1896 w, long barrel, scope, and stock
5. Boarding Pistol (erm, blackpowder, smouthbore, shotgun pistol)

[darthdavid]

*weird al's song i'm fat starts playing everytime dalton goes outside*

*dons asbestos underwear*

[phongn]

What exactly do you think "removed from service" means?

I meant destroyed. For example, the warheads for ALCM and TLAM-N are gone, to the best of my knowledge, along with the nuclear artillery rounds and ADMs.

It probably means they are sitting around in the basement of a half-dozen military bases. In fact there is proof that they are still operational as one of the designs for the next-gen bunker buster is to use the retired low-yield tactical nukes.

The B61 is a strategic nuclear warhead design; the hard-target varient is being redesigned as one of the super-low-yield ultra-penetrators. However, at the moment we have no tactical nuclear munitions.

As for the Israelies, it is likely that they have tactical nukes for the purpose of defense against a large land army invasion. There were rumours about this from some of the Israeli nuclear scientists that went public, as well as talk of possible neutron bombs as well as warheads for their Jericho-1/2 cruise missiles.

Most estimates I've seen put the unassembled arsenal around 200 warheads. I'm not sure if they ever mated them to their ballistic missile force (Jericho is certainly not a cruise missile) or artillery.

[phongn]

The seismic shock and atmospheric overpressure wave from Rob jumping is much worse than Atomic Annie's shells.

Are you insulting me or the Annie?

Um, Annie, of course.

[The Yosemite Bear]

as per mentions of stopping power....

I HAVE fired express rifles, and .68 cal rifled dueling pistols before.....

[The Yosemite Bear]

As per stopping power, nothing produced today can beat the insane short range, and utter leathality to multipal targets of an Edward "Blackbeard" Taech boarding pistol.... ( I mean 20 or so people dead with ONE shot....)

[The Kernel]

I meant destroyed. For example, the warheads for ALCM and TLAM-N are gone, to the best of my knowledge, along with the nuclear artillery rounds and ADMs.

I don't believe that they destroyed all of their nuclear mines, artillery nukes or defensive airburst weapons, althought that is for another discussion. As far as claimed tactical nuke munitions, the Tomahawk tactical nuke warheads weren't destroyed, but are in storage.

The B61 is a strategic nuclear warhead design; the hard-target varient is being redesigned as one of the super-low-yield ultra-penetrators. However, at the moment we have no tactical nuclear munitions.

Although they disassembled many of the B61-2/5 tactical bombs in use by the Navy, it is thought that many still exist and will be used as an option for the JSF arsenal. Of course, the United States has never been entirely frank about its nuclear stockpile.

Most estimates I've seen put the unassembled arsenal around 200 warheads. I'm not sure if they ever mated them to their ballistic missile force (Jericho is certainly not a cruise missile) or artillery.

I misspoke, Jericho is a medium-range ballistic missile. Your correct that they never confirmed mounting nukes on them or having nuclear artillery, but then Israel has always denied their nuclear arsenal, so most of what we have to go on is speculation. It makes sense for them to posses a certain amount of tactical nuclear weapons due to their vulnerability to land-based invasions.

EDIT: Damn, I can't seem to stop this thread hijacking tendency of mine, but hey, I started the thread so:

[phongn]

I don't believe that they destroyed all of their nuclear mines, artillery nukes or defensive airburst weapons, althought that is for another discussion. As far as claimed tactical nuke munitions, the Tomahawk tactical nuke warheads weren't destroyed, but are in storage.

Hrm. Considering that we've mostly been converting ALCMs and TLAM-Ns into CALCMs and TLAM-C/Ds, that's a bit odd to keep all the old warheads. Though I'd argue TLAM-N/ALCM weren't really tactical

Of course, the United States has never been entirely frank about its nuclear stockpile.

True that.

EDIT: Damn, I can't seem to stop this thread hijacking tendency of mine, but hey, I started the thread so:

Well, putting them on F-16s would be enough, though they'd probably blow the Aswan High Dam and various other nasty points if it came down to it rather than wasting them on enemy troops.

[Kitsune]

Single Action: .44 Desert Eagle or Colt M1911 (can't decide)

For a thousand dollar gun, the Desert Eagle is a pretyy lowsy gun with reports of the pistol basically blowing up

[Kitsune]

What are you talking about? A 9mm has plenty of stopping power compared to a 10mm or .45, especially when you factor in that an M9 has almost no kick and can let off three to four rounds in the time it would take for a .45 to fire two.

I have not shot a 10 mm but I carry a Ruger P90 as my carry weapon. It is a .45. In my last qualification, I scored virtually the same as most of the better 9 mm shooters (279 of 300) and my rate of fire was about the same. As well, I have shot 9 mm pistols which have the same or more recoil as my .45. Personal example was the Glock 19 which I rented from the range as an experiment. No matter, you still have to put the pistol back onto target after a shot, the only exception is a .22.

I had also heard that a .223 rifle has almost no recoil but had no personal experience. I finally shot a .223 rifle a few weeks ago and found that while the recoil is quite manageable, it definetkly exists.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Single Action: .44 Desert Eagle or Colt M1911 (can't decide)

For a thousand dollar gun, the Desert Eagle is a pretyy lowsy gun with reports of the pistol basically blowing up

hey why do you think I went for Tried and true.... (Single Action revolver) particularly the .44 .45's like the walkers, or the S&W Cal. Pistol. Both of which were proto-magnums of the 19th century.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Oh, and Kitsune you don't know recoil until you try those monster dueling pistols I mentioned earlier, that or an Express rifle (Enough KE to stop a charging Rhino, but there is no way in hell you are geting the round back on target in time if you miss.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Oh, btw on those dueling pistols, even firing double hand rather then Andrew Jackson style, I can't figure out how your wrists are able to be in any condition to reload powder, precussion cap, wad, and "ball" much less bring it back on track without shaking too much...

[Kitsune]

Pistol: From What I have read, probably go with an H&K Socom or USP in .45 ACP and stainless or a Sig-Pro in .357 Sig. I have also read that the Springfield XD is a really good pistol. Also have to add the Fabrique National FiveSeven. Personal experience, I would go with my Ruger P90 but have only shot a relatively small number of pistols

Sub Machine gun:
Fabrique National P90 (5.7 x 28 ). Otherwise go with the MP5 in 10 mm or the UMP45. I would prefer to carry the same caliber in SMG and pistol
I have no personal experience with SMG and would be tempted to use a short barrel carbine in their place. A short barrel M16 style rifle can be quite compact.

Machine Gun: M2HB baby (.50)
Again, no personal experience

Rifle: Probably go with a 7.62 caliber such as the FN-FAL, AR-10, or the Knight SR-25 Rifles.
Have shot a 7.62 rifle, pretty accurate and the bullets are less effected by the wind. Still, 5.56 rifles are very accurate and M16 style weapons are pretty effective and useful.

Sniper Rifle: The .50 is nice but I don't think my troops would want to lug something like that around. I would go with a 7.62 rifle such as the Knight SR-25. In combat, you don't need the bolt action accuracy.

[Kitsune]

Oh, and Kitsune you don't know recoil until you try those monster dueling pistols I mentioned earlier, that or an Express rifle (Enough KE to stop a charging Rhino, but there is no way in hell you are geting the round back on target in time if you miss.

I have heard horror stories about such weapons as the .50 AE, .44 Corbon, and .50 AE. I don't really want to sprain my wrist. I am just comparing the 9 mm and .45 ACP, which I do not see the recoil of the .45 being so much above the 9 mm to make a real difference