WTF? Reparations Again?

Ryoga · Post by **Ryoga** » 2003-10-27 08:23pm

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Good lord, and here I thought this shit was done and over with. Hey, as long as we're trying to get money for doing nothing, I wonder if there was any anti-Norwegian discrimination back in the day...maybe I can cash in.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-10-27 10:00pm

Got to love the blanket racism inherent in the reperations idea. As if all white men have a duty to repay them for some thing gone nearly a century and a half.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-10-27 11:01pm

Fuck Reparations. Blacks nowadays have just as much an opportunity to make it rich as whites, any who doubt that can go talk to my parents. It's not like they were taken from them, this shit is over 150 years old.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-10-27 11:19pm

Not to mention that blacks today are better off thanks to what happened to their ancestors. Would they rather be in Africa today?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-10-27 11:22pm

Well, I certainly didn't hear about any rescue mission, did you guys? (part of hilarious joke by a black comedian).

In all seriousness though, I don't know what to think- how the hell could you have a case for reparations? How much? To who? Unworkable.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-10-27 11:31pm

And another point-- those whites who can prove that their ancestors fought on the Union side would be exempt, right, since they alrerady contributed (some with their lives) to end Southern slavery..?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-10-27 11:41pm

Ah, but the reparations crowd has an answer to all of this: you see, even if you personally didn't own slaves, even if you have a dead ancestor in a Union military cemetary, even if your ancestors weren't even on this continent before slavery was abolished, if you're white, you profit from the higher status and special privleges that white people get as a result of enslaving black people 140 years ago. So pay up, cracker.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-28 12:12am

RedImperator wrote:Ah, but the reparations crowd has an answer to all of this: you see, even if you personally didn't own slaves, even if you have a dead ancestor in a Union military cemetary, even if your ancestors weren't even on this continent before slavery was abolished, if you're white, you profit from the higher status and special privleges that white people get as a result of enslaving black people 140 years ago. So pay up, cracker.

How do they explain the fact that members of every race, including Asians, Indians, and even prosperous blacks, would end up paying for this if they take it out of the government's hide?

Black victimhood is a pathological neurosis. My parents came here with nothing. No money, no friends, no connections, nothing. They worked their asses off in school; my father shoveled shit on a farm in the summer and worked part-time during the school year to pay for his own university education!. They didn't need any fucking inherited privilege or reparations for white privilege to get ahead and buy themselves a half-million dollar home. They just needed hard work and self-respect.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-10-28 12:17am

Darth Wong wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Ah, but the reparations crowd has an answer to all of this: you see, even if you personally didn't own slaves, even if you have a dead ancestor in a Union military cemetary, even if your ancestors weren't even on this continent before slavery was abolished, if you're white, you profit from the higher status and special privleges that white people get as a result of enslaving black people 140 years ago. So pay up, cracker.
How do they explain the fact that members of every race, including Asians, Indians, and even prosperous blacks, would end up paying for this if they take it out of the government's hide?

Oddly enough, this point never comes up. Can't imagine why for the life of me.

Black victimhood is a pathological neurosis. My parents came here with nothing. No money, no friends, no connections, nothing. They worked their asses off in school; my father shoveled shit on a farm in the summer and worked part-time during the school year to pay for his own university education!. They didn't need any fucking inherited privilege or reparations for white privilege to get ahead and buy themselves a half-million dollar home. They just needed hard work and self-respect.

Obviously, you've bought into whitey's system. You're part of the problem. You help oppress the black man and crow that whitey has allowed you to be successful. Nice try hiding behind the fact that your skin isn't white, even though your soul obviously is. So pony up.

Wow. This kind of arguing is easy.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-10-28 12:54am

I rarely get all that uptight about race shit, but I can do this quite easily.

Fuck the blacks whining for fucking reparations. Fuck them.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-10-28 12:56am

Obviously, you've bought into whitey's system. You're part of the problem. You help oppress the black man and crow that whitey has allowed you to be successful. Nice try hiding behind the fact that your skin isn't white, even though your soul obviously is. So pony up.

Shake down Babylon! Free Mumia!

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-10-28 12:58am

RedImperator wrote:Obviously, you've bought into whitey's system. You're part of the problem. You help oppress the black man and crow that whitey has allowed you to be successful. Nice try hiding behind the fact that your skin isn't white, even though your soul obviously is. So pony up.

Wow. This kind of arguing is easy.

But most Chinese and Japanese people's skins are about as white as your average Caucasian...

oops, I think I just blew my own argument. At least if we're talking about debating non-rationally here.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-10-28 01:06am

Crayz9000 wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Obviously, you've bought into whitey's system. You're part of the problem. You help oppress the black man and crow that whitey has allowed you to be successful. Nice try hiding behind the fact that your skin isn't white, even though your soul obviously is. So pony up.

Wow. This kind of arguing is easy.
But most Chinese and Japanese people's skins are about as white as your average Caucasian...

oops, I think I just blew my own argument. At least if we're talking about debating non-rationally here.

Actually, courts have ruled that white doesn't pertain to color but to race. So Asians don't count as whites.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-10-28 01:08am

Darth Wong wrote:
RedImperator wrote:Ah, but the reparations crowd has an answer to all of this: you see, even if you personally didn't own slaves, even if you have a dead ancestor in a Union military cemetary, even if your ancestors weren't even on this continent before slavery was abolished, if you're white, you profit from the higher status and special privleges that white people get as a result of enslaving black people 140 years ago. So pay up, cracker.
How do they explain the fact that members of every race, including Asians, Indians, and even prosperous blacks, would end up paying for this if they take it out of the government's hide?

They don't. They just hide behind their self-righteous banner and wallow in their self-pity.

Black victimhood is a pathological neurosis. My parents came here with nothing. No money, no friends, no connections, nothing. They worked their asses off in school; my father shoveled shit on a farm in the summer and worked part-time during the school year to pay for his own university education!. They didn't need any fucking inherited privilege or reparations for white privilege to get ahead and buy themselves a half-million dollar home. They just needed hard work and self-respect.

I think it has to do with the whole "White Oppressor" culture, in which an honest black man can't get by without selling out to the Whites, hence their active dislike of people like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. If only they'd dump that fucked up pop culture, with its promises of riches through the scourges of dealerhood, gangs, and pimps...

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-10-28 01:09am

neoolong wrote:Actually, courts have ruled that white doesn't pertain to color but to race. So Asians don't count as whites.

Sanity check, please leave your nonsensical names and all personal bling-bling at the door.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-10-28 01:11am

My dad was born in Brooklyn and lived in a tenement house smaller than the apartment I live in now. He worked hard and got damn good grades in school because my grandfather would accept nothing less. So he went to General Motors Institute and took twenty-five credit hours per semester for an Industrial Administration degree (the engineers took thirty-five, meaning that the IA people were pussies by comparison).

He raised a family in a nice Chicago suburb in a home that he originally bought for $300,000. He busted his ass in school, busts his ass at his job and is doesn't spend money impulsively. Contrary to popular belief, if you work hard in school, you can go places.

Hell, my grandfather (born in the US, lived in Italy a good portion of the time) is a master conservative. I don't think he's paid for a single thing in some other way than money upfront. His house, his car, everything. Why? Because he busted his ass at his shitty job in Brooklyn, saved money and found a nice place to retire.

So excuse me for not feeling sorry for people who want everything handed to them. It doesn't work that way. Sure, there's discrimination in hiring; no one's going to deny that. But who has the better chance of making money? The black guy who worked hard, went to college and graduate school to get a degree, or the black guy who constantly bitches about how he should have slavery reparations?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-10-28 01:14am

Vympel wrote:Well, I certainly didn't hear about any rescue mission, did you guys? (part of hilarious joke by a black comedian).

Wanda Sykes Hall

I think this is best said in Buffy, when a Native American spirit was slaughtering people as some vengeance a hundred years after atrocities were commited, these is the standard argument of whether modern people are responsible and such. The best quote from this comes from Spike: You won, alright? You came in, and took their land. That's what conquering nations do. It's what Caesar did, he didn't say; I came I saw I conquered but I feel really bad about it."

I think what's past is past, because my ancestors did wrong is no reason to punish me.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-10-28 02:20am

As a black man, I find those people who keep crying for reparations disgusting and an embarrassment. The very idea of putting a financial price on centuries of suffering and death is obscene on so many levels to me.

I know assholes who have similar views and they dont give a damn about the black community. Their only motivations are greed and hatred towards whites.

Their bullshit merely adds to the stereotype that African-Americans are lazy, ignorant, fools who want everything served to them on a platter. While the ones in the black community who actually have to bust their asses to get somewhere in life get no respect and are accused of "selling out" or "acting white".

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-10-28 03:22am

personally i thinkthat the repreations thing is lasiness. I dont want reperation , i want equal opportunity

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-10-28 12:00pm

Find me ONE non-WASP group who hasn't faced some form of discrimination in the US at one time or another.

Ryoga · Post by **Ryoga** » 2003-10-28 12:15pm

Darth Servo wrote:Find me ONE non-WASP group who hasn't faced some form of discrimination in the US at one time or another.

And see, that's my biggest problem with all this. Practically every group of any note has been discriminated against in the past, and if we're going to start handing out money for things done centuries ago, where does it end?

I don't neccessarily think that's a slippery slope because that's basically the only argument the repartations crowd has. Yes, slavery was a national tragedy. It's shameful that a nation founded on the liberties of man could allow such a thing. But if you think cash is going to do anything about that, why not the Irish in New York? Or the Chinese on the West Coast? Or 'Okies' from the '30s?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-10-28 12:23pm

This stinks big time.

This is just as worse as this group of Jews which alreay lived in the U.S. (all of them) since at least 150 years, and wanted money from germany because of the holocaust.
Needless to say, that the lost the case.....

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-10-28 12:24pm

Slavery is a live historical issue, but a dead issue in the present. A more recent and interesting complaint would be the massive increase in athletic scholarships and program funding toward ghetto-area schools in the 1960s. Ostensibly an effort to improve minority opportunities, they really had the effect of glorifying the "athletics and entertainment" direction in which far too many black kids would end up focusing their efforts. Some have even argued that whites deliberately used an exclusive focus on athletic scholarships in order to marginalize black academic achievers.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-10-28 04:33pm

Vympel wrote:Well, I certainly didn't hear about any rescue mission, did you guys? (part of hilarious joke by a black comedian).

In all seriousness though, I don't know what to think- how the hell could you have a case for reparations? How much? To who? Unworkable.

Most demands from the morons I've seen work out to about 30-40,000 USD, for every black person in the United States, which in turn works out to hundreds of billions of dollars. Others seem to want any company, which was ever involved in the slave trade in any way t have its assets seized, liquidated and distributed.

Darth Wong wrote: How do they explain the fact that members of every race, including Asians, Indians, and even prosperous blacks, would end up paying for this if they take it out of the government's hide?

Its very simple, logic shall not be applied, just give us money now!

Personally I'm fine with the whole idea, but only if the adjusted cost of the US civil war is first deducted from the total, including a sum equal to whatever each black person originally stood to get, for every Union solider who served and every Union civilian who worked in an armaments industry. This money will go to those people's descendents. On top of that the cost of reconstruction will be added, and fair compensation to the descendents of all salve owners for the loss of there property, the adjusted price of a young healthy slave works out to around 30,000 USD as I recall.

And if that all results in the sum running into the negative, well then those who had stood to receive money will have to pay up. But to be fair to all majority, or at least I hope its the majority of the black populace who thinks the idea is fucking stupid, Uncle Sam will only come around to collect from those blacks named in the various lawsuits. And remember, the fewer people who want to receive the money, the more that must be paid on the behalf of each Union solider and arms worker.

Its all very fair.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-10-28 04:50pm

As far as I know, none of my ancestors owned any slaves in the first place. 25% of them came from Germany in the 1870s and 80s, 12.5% from Ireland, another 12.5% from Scotland, again in the 1880s, and the other half were too fucking poor(90% sure on this) to own much of anything!

You prove to me that someone in my family ever contributed to slavery in this country, I'll give you.....a penny. Maybe.