Have I missed something?

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-10-01 06:47pm

What's happening with the Dorkstar debate? Did he reply to Darth Wong's last post?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-10-01 07:28pm

Two possibilities:

A) Wong has been unable to update.
B) Darkstar gave up.

I'm betting on B.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 07:31pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Two possibilities:

A) Wong has been unable to update.
B) Darkstar gave up.

I'm betting on B.

Hooray for Mike! Hooray for SD.net!

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-10-01 07:55pm

May be Dorkstar is gone for ever hahahahha.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-10-01 08:46pm

Darkstar's reply has recently been posted to ASVS.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-01 08:52pm

Raxmei wrote:Darkstar's reply has recently been posted to ASVS.

Crap! What's the URL. I suppose I'll have to read through it.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-01 09:23pm

What's his reply like? The same old nitpicks and repeating of refuted points?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-02 12:03am

Yeah please keep us updated... I want to know how it ended, but I *really* don't want to read it. My head already hurts from round 2.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-02 12:29am

Oh, shit. Mike just updated his site with DarkStar's latest claims. They can be found here:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... d3b-1.html
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... d3b-2.html

Mike has yet to respond to them, but I am pretty sure we have nothing to worry about. In a couple of days, Mike will tear these apart as he did with the other ones.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-10-02 12:45am

keep me posted

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-02 02:17am

Arg, I'm Blind...
I guess I'll scroll down to the summary

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-02 02:26am

> What part of this don't you understand, Robert?

The reason you continue to argue for your theory is what I do not understand. It fails logically, scientifically, canonically, et cetera, and no matter how many desperate and contrived additions you pile on top of it (or denials of the evidence allowing you to make it simpler), it simply isn't going to work, and the fact that it appears to be an article of faith doesn't make it work, either. Star Wars may be fantasy, but that doesn't mean our attempts to understand it should be.

Wow, one could believe this is actually MIKE's reply to LardStar, but it's the other way around! He claims that for Mike's theory to work, one has to make a leap of faith, and that it fails logically, and all that crap! How fucking awesome!

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-10-02 04:04am

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Dickstar is purposely making his posts bigger and bigger with more bullshit in an attempt to piss off Wong and make it so that he has no time to reply within the time limit and then he can claim victory? He knows Mike is on a tight schedual and it seems he sees this as an advantage, so he constantly floods his "rebuttles" with as much crap as he can in an attempt to:
a) Piss Wong off to a point where he might break and start to flame
b) Make it as difficult as possible for him to go through
c) Also hope that Mike cant respond in time and then he can claim victory.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2002-10-02 08:05am

Master of Ossus wrote:Oh, shit. Mike just updated his site with DarkStar's latest claims. They can be found here:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... d3b-1.html
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Hat ... d3b-2.html.

I suffered my way trough DorkStar's first 'rebuttal', I suffered my way trough DorkStar's second 'rebuttal', but there is no way in hell I am going trough his third one without formatting! I'll wait until Wong posts a reply.

Still, here are a few excerpts:

Dorkstar, the most insane troll ever wrote:
Mike Wong wrote:By your OWN ADMISSION, this questionable interpretation was a COMPLETE SURPRISE to you, which means that your theory did NOT successfully predict it.
I, personally, did not expect to see the polar material. I thought any existing matter would likely have been deep sub-surface, and certainly obscured by debris. However, the existence of material doesn't make the theory wrong, especially given that it required only the slightest clarification to the theory. One would think that your claims of a scientific background would include knowledge of the history of science, where such examples are commonplace.

Talking about ad hominem!

Dorkstar, the most scientifically ignorant crackpot I have ever seen wrote:Similarly, my theory regarding Alderaan has been vindicated by the observations which have taken place *after* the theory was created, such as the Death Star ring examples, the planar effects with ship-killer shots from DS2, the ring center, and so on.

And of course he has zero evidence for this, but since when has that stoped him?

Dorkstar the troll wrote:The reason you continue to argue for your theory is what I do not understand. It fails logically, scientifically, canonically, et cetera, and no matter how many desperate and contrived additions you pile on top of it (or denials of the evidence allowing you to make it simpler), it simply isn't going to work, and the fact that it appears to be an article of faith doesn't make it work, either. Star Wars may be fantasy, but that doesn't mean our attempts to understand it should be.

To quote you: "Deal with it."

I have also a theory!

Dorkstar is a clone created using genetic material from Timothy Jones and Stilgar, raised by Gothmog, trained by Graham Kennedy, and equipped with armor forged by B&B in the deepest reaches of hell.

Notice how I actually have more evidence for my theory than he has for his.

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-10-02 08:20am

The frightening thing about RSA is that he seems to believe everything he says, no matter how much he's had to twist and lie to make his 'points'. Only an idiot could have that much certainty.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » 2002-10-02 09:23am

Scooter's 'work' is best described as a cautionary tale about the pitfalls of ignoring the scientific method. Analyses which depend on back-fitting and filtering the observations (not to mention mutilating crucial principles like parsimony) to match a predetermined conclusion are bad, bad science - and are easily dismantled by anyone with even rudimentary scientific ability. He compounds his problems with faulty reasoning - his debate posts are rife with false dilemmas and syllogistic fallacies, for instance.

This inevitably leaves him with the last line of defense for charlatans - rhetoric. His trademark selective quoting, unsupported claims of victory and "rabid Warsie" appeals to motive are excellent (but far from comprehensive) examples.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-02 10:33am

DarkStar, king of all that are stupid wrote:Since most of your post is focused on attempts at attacking me, grandstanding, and other such silliness, I shall first reply to the small on-topic portion of your reply.

Hello, unsubstantiated claim, do you know that DarkStar has consistently been misusing you during this debate?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-10-02 10:38am

It amazes me idiots like this are allowed into the gene pool.

I mean no one could be this deaf, dumb and blind to what's in front of him...I mean I have seen friends who buy women pianos for the very hint of sex have more brainpower than this moron

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-10-02 10:45am

I am confused. Was all the stuff in white DarkStar's reply? WTF?

Akm72 · Post by **Akm72** » 2002-10-02 01:31pm

Crown wrote:I am confused. Was all the stuff in white DarkStar's reply? WTF?

RSAs reply was so full of shit it was taking Darth Wong too long to convert it into his normal indented green/yellow format (he mentions this in the 'What's New' section).

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-02 09:34pm

Crown wrote:I am confused. Was all the stuff in white DarkStar's reply? WTF?

Yes, yes it was. As you can clearly see, he is retreating back to his tried-and-true methods of trolling. He is a complete idiot.

Again, it will be interesting to see what happens. Mike has easily crushed his points. The challenge will be destroying DarkStar.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-02 10:39pm

Crown wrote:I am confused. Was all the stuff in white DarkStar's reply? WTF?

Its a sample of what the message looks like as it was pulled of of USENET. If you go over to Google you should be able to read it in a slightly better coded view here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&l ... ganews.com
and here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&l ... ganews.com

Alternatively go to ASVS itself and read it along with the entire thread in its orgiginally posted glory. If you have a good newsreader and server you could also just use these:

[url]news:av6j9.192294$5r1.7991431@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com[/url]
[url]news:tE6j9.193212$AR1.8221199@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com[/url]

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-02 10:42pm

Fudge, those news: links are improperly formatted so they won't work, damn thing doesn't let me do proper news links.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-10-02 11:51pm

Don't worry about it. people will just hurt their brains from reading his posts...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-03 12:35am

They're up on Mike's site. Mike is probably preparing a response as we type.