Marijuana arrests approach record high in US

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His Divine Shadow wrote:Shouldn't they try something bit more pre-emptive? Like campaigns to get people to not do pot for example?
They try. Part of the problem is that the schools, the states, the police, the DEA, and just about everyone else have blown their credibility on the issue with years wolf crying. I was told everything from pot makes you insane to it's addictive to drug dealers force you to smoke it at gunpoint to get addicted to dealers like to lace it with rat poison for fun. And of course, everyone was told over and over that it's just as bad as coke or heroin. Then when I see my friends do it voluntarily and not go crazy, get addicted, or die from inhaling rat poison fumes, what am I supposed to think of everyone who told me pot was bad? The first thing that has to happen if you want an effective education and prevention strategy is to knock off the bullshit.

The second problem, the one that simply can't be overcome without instituting the death penalty for possession and random piss tests for everyone, is that no matter how bad something is for people and no matter how hard you educate them about it, a certain segment of the population is going to do it anyway so long as it's pleasureable. Cigarettes are a perfect example. From the 1960s on, there was a massive campaign to alert people to the dangers of smoking tobacco--the warnings on the packs, publc service announcements, banning cigarette commercials on TV, and a ton of health education in schools. The result? The rate of tobacco use in America plummeted. But by about the late 1980s, the rate of use stopped falling even as the anti-smoking campaign intensified. In my opinion, it hit a plateau--the people smoking now are, for the most part, the people who, for whatever reason, don't care about the health risks of smoking enough to not smoke. Every drug probably has this plateau somewhere, and marijuana's is going to be fairly high compared to drugs like cocaine and heroin, because its harmful effects are limited and people know it.
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Zac Naloen wrote:my opinion is that, if cigs and alcohol are legal why isn't pot?
My question is, why aren't they enough?
Because the social harms from prohibition, aside from the moral problem of fining and imprisoning people for a victimless crime, are worse than those caused by the consumption of marijuana.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:So, paradoxically, I wouldn't mind smoking in public to carry on provided I don't get a cloud of second hand smoke in my face everywhere I go.
Then you don't get any!
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Zac Naloen wrote:but some people would rather smoke pot than drink alcohol, as an example.
Marijuana = !calories
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Xisiqomelir wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote:but some people would rather smoke pot than drink alcohol, as an example.
Marijuana = !calories
No hangovers either.
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Ok there was quite a bit of posting since yesterday when I last replied to this topic and I don't have time to go through it all right now, but I just want to toss another thing into the mix here. If smoking marijuana was no longer illegal and people were smoking it in public, then people who are not smoking it could get a contact high. And that is yet another reason it can't be legal, those smoking would be forcing the drug on those around them.
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Death from the Sea wrote:Ok there was quite a bit of posting since yesterday when I last replied to this topic and I don't have time to go through it all right now, but I just want to toss another thing into the mix here. If smoking marijuana was no longer illegal and people were smoking it in public, then people who are not smoking it could get a contact high. And that is yet another reason it can't be legal, those smoking would be forcing the drug on those around them.
i agree there have to be controls on where you can smoke marijuana, but doesn't mean it should be illegal.

jsut like tehy are starting to introduce with cigarretes, just ban public smoking, (shouldn't be too hard anyway, how many people do you see smoking marijuana in public places anyway?)
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I'm sure frito lay wouldn't mind it. :D
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Death from the Sea wrote:Ok there was quite a bit of posting since yesterday when I last replied to this topic and I don't have time to go through it all right now, but I just want to toss another thing into the mix here. If smoking marijuana was no longer illegal and people were smoking it in public, then people who are not smoking it could get a contact high. And that is yet another reason it can't be legal, those smoking would be forcing the drug on those around them.
Ditto for cigarettes, retard. That's why there are regulations on where you can and can't smoke them. You're not going to stop people from walking down the street with a joint, because there's no significant risk to anyone else. They'd inhale a minuscule amount of the smoke at most if they were just passing by. The reason most companies don't permit smoking in their offices is because it's really fucking disgusting to the non-smokers (not to mention the wall degradation that cigarette smoke has been shown to cause).

So legalize pot, slap some reasonable regulations on where it can and can't be smoked. Though I think California's policy of telling private establishments what patrons can and can't do while on their property is absurd. No smoking in bars? What's next? No drinking or talking?
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