Could the DS destroy all the borg

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-11-02 01:04am

The death star, could it destroy not just some borg cubes and planets, but the entire collective, planet by planet, using the superlaser, and considering it has so many turbolaser turrets, couldn't it itself perform a fast BDZ on a planet if the superlaser is recharging.
Why did we never see any of these turbolaser turrets shoot at the X wings en route to the trench, or the rebel fleet in the battle of Endor?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-02 01:05am

The DS should eventually be able to destroy the Borg Collective, although the Borg may spread faster than the DS can destroy stuff.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-02 01:13am

The Death Star would wipe the proverbal galactic floor with the Borg.

If I was in command of the Death Star, here is what I'd do.

Pre Attack-
Have Tie Fighters with Hyperdrives (i.e Tie Scout, Tie Avenger, Tie Defender) and other hyperdrive equipped starfighters (Skiprays, Starwing assault Gunboats, etc) scout Borg territory and count ships.

1- Attack Unimatrix 1 with the Death Star, making the superlaser look like some kind of deflector dish
2- Keep shields at 5% above what is needed to keep the Borg at bay, making it look like a slow power build up. Use the light defense guns (or stormtroopers in space suits with E-Web blasters or something) to hold the Borg off/make it look like I give a rat's ass about there attack
3- Wait until most of the Borg fleet was attacking the Death Star, and then open fire with every Turbolaser, and then Superlaser Unimatrix 1

After that, I have my fighters (armed with Heavy Rockets and Space Bombs, and if it's later in the Star Wars trilogy, Magpulse weapons) keep the Borg ships that survived from leaving Borg space, and then begin blitzing there planets with rapid BDZ's and Superlaser shots.

Then again, give me 12 wings of Missile boats armed with Sun Crusher torpedoes , and I'll wipe out most of the Borg collective for ya

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-02 08:29am

The DS should eventually be able to destroy the Borg Collective, although the Borg may spread faster than the DS can destroy stuff.

If that was the case the Borg would have overrun the entire Star Trek galaxy very quickly.

IronicTwist · Post by **IronicTwist** » 2003-11-02 08:47am

evilcat4000 wrote:
The DS should eventually be able to destroy the Borg Collective, although the Borg may spread faster than the DS can destroy stuff.
If that was the case the Borg would have overrun the entire Star Trek galaxy very quickly.

That's not necessarily true. The Borg would have different priorities escaping from the DS than they would normally have. Borg don't seem to move unless they are prepared to completely take over a planet.

If they were running from the Empire, they'd send cubes off in every direction, probably no more than one to a planet. They'd be trying to get a foothold anywhere they could, and they would all move at once - unlike the slow creep we've seen so far.

The Dude · Post by **The Dude** » 2003-11-02 09:38am

The DS is bristling with anti-capship weaponry which logically must be on the order of hundreds of gigatons per shot. It can jump from system to system in minutes or hours.

There would be no need to even use the superlaser (why waste the energy if the planet lacks SW-quality planetary defenses?); simply hyper in system, kill as many cubes as you can, BDZ the world. Rinse and repeat, working down from the most productive shipbuilding worlds and transport hubs. Attrition and resource-starvation ensue. The Collective is crippled in days - maybe worse, if its existing enemies decide to capitalize on the situation.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-02 03:45pm

There is a point this is interesting?

Whey is, when the DS is in at StvSW sicussion, only the superlaser accepted by Trekkers as planet threatening? One full broadside from the DS would shurely BDZ the planet at once. (Remember hunderetthousands of TLs!)

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-03 05:38am

Tribun wrote:There is a point this is interesting?

Whey is, when the DS is in at StvSW sicussion, only the superlaser accepted by Trekkers as planet threatening? One full broadside from the DS would shurely BDZ the planet at once. (Remember hunderetthousands of TLs!)

The Death Star may have thousands of turbolaser batteries but it can not bring all of them bear at the same time. If it could the Rebel fleet at Endor would have been destroyed in a few broadsides.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-11-03 06:26am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Tribun wrote:There is a point this is interesting?

Whey is, when the DS is in at StvSW sicussion, only the superlaser accepted by Trekkers as planet threatening? One full broadside from the DS would shurely BDZ the planet at once. (Remember hunderetthousands of TLs!)
The Death Star may have thousands of turbolaser batteries but it can not bring all of them bear at the same time. If it could the Rebel fleet at Endor would have been destroyed in a few broadsides.

I don't think that the TLs were operational yet at the battle of Endor. Didn't they make a big deal about how the DS's weapons systems weren't yet operational? Just because they got the superlaser working ahead of schedule doesn't meant that all the weapons were working.

And yes, I know that the Emporer said the the Death Star was "fully armed and operational," but he could easily have been exagerating in an attempt to lure Luke to the Dark Side.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-03 07:08am

And yes, I know that the Emporer said the the Death Star was "fully armed and operational," but he could easily have been exagerating in an attempt to lure Luke to the Dark Side.

Agreed. The Death Star lacked shield generators at the time of the battle and large sections of the station was still under construction. So you are probobly right about the turbolasers.

And besides if the Death Star's turbolasers were operational the Rebels would not have risked attacking it.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-05 12:07am

Also depends on which Death Star

The prototype would have problems, no Turbolasers
Death Star 1, they are all screwed
'The Tarkin' no Turbolasers
Death Star 2, it would be easy to stick shield generators on it
Death Star 3 (deal with it people) is argueable. Was it fully assembed when it was destroyed

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-05 12:45am

What the hell is Death Star III?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-11-05 12:46am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What the hell is Death Star III?

the One in Star Tours(the MGM ride) is considered to be the DS3.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-05 12:47am

Oh that's bullshit.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-11-05 12:53am

A completed and fully operational DS2 would give the entire ST galaxy hell, not just the Borg.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-11-05 12:59am

IIRC, there was a fair bit of weapon fire from the second Death Star (you can see it as the Rebel fighters started to enter it), but it did seem to be a bit on the weak side.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-11-05 01:41am

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Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-05 09:03am

But we must remember that:
a)only few towers were active (they concentrated on the main weapon to be completed).
b)only a skeleton crew was there (Jerjerrod had asked for more men)
c)half of the surface was not even built.

That can explain the spare weapon fire on DS II.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-05 10:09am

Read Darth Wong's original story - that should answer all of your questions.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-11-05 10:18am

Nuh uh!!! no way! The Borg could totally just transport ONE drone onto the DS and inject nanoprobes into the walls. the Borg would TOTALLY assimilate the DS and all it's ship/forces! it would be a SLAUGHTER!~ And since the borg now have the DS, the entire Galaxy will fall!!![/borg fanboy rant off]

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-11-05 01:39pm

Remember that the Borg's transwarp conduit system was nuked by Janeway, so they're limited to standard transwarp (which takes months to traverse the galaxy). A finished DS2 could literally raze/destroy their planets faster than they can run away. Game over, man. Game over.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-05 02:25pm

If something like IG-88 could seize control of teh deathstar then surely the Borg Collective could do the same right?

*shifts foot backwards glancing around nervously*

Right? I mean KJA says so.

*bolts out of room*

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-05 05:09pm

Thou shall not mention 'The Tales of IG-88" and be serious, or thou shall feel the wrath of the Sith

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-05 05:47pm

*Zaps Stravo a few times with force lightning for punishment*

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-05 06:26pm

Better idea for punishing Stravo.

I hearby sentence you to watch S&M porn of Captain Katherine Janeway doing it with a Fungi from Yoggoloth for 24 hours a day straight, feed directly into your brain, for the next 365 days