Opinions on "Dogma"?

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-02 09:01pm

Who here has seen Kevin Smith's movie "Dogma", the fourth in the Askewinverse series (following "Chasing Amy" and being followed by "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back")? What are your opinions on some of the theological ideas expressed within?

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-02 09:09pm

Kevin is a Catholic. He actually admits that. But, his views are quite interesting. If you watch the DVD and the cut scenes, you actually get a lot more out of it. The discussion between Rufus, the Muse and Bethany is much longer and much more philosophical. Plus, the SW scene (with Loki, Jay and Silent Bob) is much, much longer.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2002-10-02 09:11pm

Theology? *waves hand* Bah!

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-02 09:12pm

Oh, trust me, I have the Special Edition DVD.

"JOSEPH AND MARY HAD SEX?!?!?!?!" ROFLMAO!

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-02 09:20pm

I thought it was rather boring..

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-02 09:25pm

It had Jay and Silent Bob, anmd Chris Rock, but it wasnt that funny... Why, God, why?

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-02 09:28pm

You two have busted senses of humor.

Solid Snake · Post by **Solid Snake** » 2002-10-02 09:34pm

Mallrats is the best with Jay and Silent Bob! You should know this!

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-02 09:35pm

SolidSnake wrote:Mallrats is the best with Jay and Silent Bob! You should know this!

Considering what I've heard of it, nah ah.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2002-10-02 09:46pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Kevin is a Catholic. He actually admits that. But, his views are quite interesting. If you watch the DVD and the cut scenes, you actually get a lot more out of it. The discussion between Rufus, the Muse and Bethany is much longer and much more philosophical. Plus, the SW scene (with Loki, Jay and Silent Bob) is much, much longer.

That was some of the funniest shit I've ever seen, especially those rapid-fire one-liners:

"Oh, your father just left this for you. It happens to be four feet long and shaped like a cock."

"Now I heard that were some deleted early cuts where Han was chuggin' some major Wookie cock."

Hi-LARIOUS!

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-10-02 10:23pm

"Joseph and Mary had sex?"
"Shit, Mary was a screamer! Jesus would always tell me about hearin' em bangin' on the walls when he was a kid!"

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-02 10:26pm

Absolutely brilliant movie. It has a brilliant plot and poses a lot of really good questions. And its hilarious.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2002-10-02 10:58pm

Having something in common with somebody like Kevin Smith more than makes up for having to put up with whiny assholes like the Catholic League.

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-02 11:40pm

Iceberg wrote:Having something in common with somebody like Kevin Smith more than makes up for having to put up with whiny assholes like the Catholic League.

Remember, the sign of a true Catholic is believing God is dead.

:)

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-02 11:42pm

That movie was the shit.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-10-02 11:51pm

I would love to quote my favourite line but I am afraid that I will fuck it up! Screw it some one else can just correct me!

Bethany: Jesus didn't have any brothers or sisters, he was an immaculate conception!
Rufus: To believe that Jesus was an immaculate conceptions is a leap of faith. To believe that a man can stay married to a woman for 30 odd years, remain faithful and not once bang her is idiocy!

Obviously that wansn't the line exactly, but the gist!

Is immaculate the right word?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2002-10-02 11:56pm

The thing is, the doctrine that Smith is talking about here is actually the perpetual virginity of Mary. </catholicgeek>

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-03 12:11am

Rufus: Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin Mary, those are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? Well, that's just plain gullibility.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-10-03 12:14am

Thank you XaLEv!!!

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-03 12:36am

Andrew J. wrote:Theology? *waves hand* Bah!

Yeah, what he said.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2002-10-03 01:44am

Bethany: Jesus didn't have any brothers or sisters, he was an immaculate conception!
Rufus: To believe that Jesus was an immaculate conceptions is a leap of faith. To believe that a man can stay married to a woman for 30 odd years, remain faithful and not once bang her is idiocy!

It was something like, "The virgin birth and the resurrection, these are leaps of faith. But, to believe that a married couple never got down, that's just plain gullibility!"

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-10-03 09:30am

funny movie even though i saw it in german an they usually fuck up all the gags with translation.

what i really liked was that "disclaimer" in the beginning which sais that people shouldnt take this too serious since god has humor. more religious people should think like that. they shouldnt take themselves their god so fucking serious.

<edit>ben afflek is still an idiot!</edit>

Post by **Steve** » 2002-10-03 12:33pm

salm wrote:funny movie even though i saw it in german an they usually fuck up all the gags with translation.

what i really liked was that "disclaimer" in the beginning which sais that people shouldnt take this too serious since god has humor. more religious people should think like that. they shouldnt take themselves their god so fucking serious.

<edit>ben afflek is still an idiot!</edit>

Oh come on, he was excellent and deliciously insane as Bartleby.

But the real gem was Jason Lee as Azrael.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-03 12:54pm

salm wrote: what i really liked was that "disclaimer" in the beginning which sais that people shouldnt take this too serious since god has humor. more religious people should think like that. they shouldnt take themselves their god so fucking serious.

The Disclaimer:

Disclaimer: 1) a renunciation of any claim to or connection with; 2)
disavowal; 3) a statement made to save one's own ass.
Though it'll go without saying ten minutes or so into these preceedings,
View Askew would like to state that this film is from start to finish a
work of comedic fantasy, not to be taken seriously. To insist that any of
what follows is incendiary or inflammatory is to miss our intention and
pass judgement; and passing judgement is reserved for God and God alone
(this goes for you film critics too...just kidding).
So please before you think about hurting someone over this trifle of a
film, remember: even God has a sense of humor. Just look at the Platypus.
Thank you and enjoy the show.
P.S. We sincerely apologize to all Platypus enthusiasts out there who are
offended by that thoughtless comment about Platypi. We at View Askew
respect the noble Platypus, and it is not our intention to slight these
stupid creatures in any way.
Thank you again and enjoy the show

C.S.Strowbridge · Post by **C.S.Strowbridge** » 2002-10-03 01:42pm

Steve wrote:
salm wrote: <edit>ben afflek is still an idiot!</edit>
Oh come on, he was excellent and deliciously insane as Bartleby.

But the real gem was Jason Lee as Azrael.

And he was the bomb in Phantoms!