What ever happened to the Tie Advanced x 1

[AL]

We see this fighter in ANH and it seems like a nice little fighter, maybe even better than the Tie Interceptor. We even see this fighter in the Background of ESB when Darth is looking out as the fleet from the Executor, the first time we see the Imp fleet, there are a couple of shot of them. Maybe if the empire used them to replace all the ties in service they would have had a better fighter force.

[RayCav of ASVS]

We see this fighter in ANH and it seems like a nice little fighter, maybe even better than the Tie Interceptor. We even see this fighter in the Background of ESB when Darth is looking out as the fleet from the Executor, the first time we see the Imp fleet, there are a couple of shot of them. Maybe if the empire used them to replace all the ties in service they would have had a better fighter force.

The TIE x1 was actually inferior to the TIE Interceptor, which uses x1 technology. It's only advantage was sheilding and hyperdrive. However, the TIE Advanced production model (more commonly known as "TIE Avenger") had stronger sheilds, a better hyperdrive, and outperformed even the Interceptor. It was featured in TIE Fighter very prominently but fell out of use as the Empire fell, mostly thanks to Zaarin.

[Mr Bean]

It was a special limited edition run, The TIE Defender which succeded it was stronger, Faster, Cheaper, in every department, Put into production RIGHT before ROTJ but few had time to be built before the Empire was delt a terrible blow and the urge to switch the entire Navy over to the fighters was kinda hard without a certian Force Chocking Figure there to *speed up production

[SecondStorm]

It goes against Imperial policy of cheap easily replaced starfighters.
Ties were built for getting the mission accomplished with no thought of the pilots safety or comfort.
The Tie-Advanced had both shields and hyperdrive amongst other things which made it too costly for mass-producing and often not needed for the mission parameters.

Are you sure its not Tie-Intercepters you've seen ?.
I dont recall seeing them besides ANH.
They look very similar .

But the Tie-Advanced WERE a good ship but the Empire relied upon pilot-skill and superior numbers not superior starfighters when it came to fighters.
The Intercepter is a descendent of the Advanced.........but without the unnessary(at that time) shields or hyperdrive.
More suited for the Imperial "style".

Admiral Thrwan opgraded his Tie-Intercepters with shields because at that time the Empire couldnt afford to waste both ships and trained pilots.

[Sardaukar]

We even see this fighter in the Background of ESB when Darth is looking out as the fleet from the Executor, the first time we see the Imp fleet, there are a couple of shot of them.

I'm pretty sure those are actually TIE Bombers.

[AL]

We even see this fighter in the Background of ESB when Darth is looking out as the fleet from the Executor, the first time we see the Imp fleet, there are a couple of shot of them.

I'm pretty sure those are actually TIE Bombers.

You may want to look again thats what i thought but only one cockpit not the duel for a bomber

[Stormbringer]

It had a limited production run, only going out the elite fighter squadrons. The cost versus use of the fighter was just too high to justify it.

It had hyperdrives which the Empire didn't at the time believe it needed. Any place they could send a TIE through hyperspace, they could just drop and ImpStar on.

That sort of mentality was changed by the rebellion. Quick "hit and hype" attacks, they needed a fighter that could follow the rebels. By that time the Avenger was available for procution and the Defender nearly so. Hence the X1 died in obscurity.

[Sardaukar]

You may want to look again thats what i thought but only one cockpit not the duel for a bomber

I'll check it out when I can (I have no vcr) but I still doubt it's a TIEx1.

Anyone able to take a screenshot?

[Stormbringer]

It goes against Imperial policy of cheap easily replaced starfighters.
Ties were built for getting the mission accomplished with no thought of the pilots safety or comfort.

Admiral Thrwan opgraded his Tie-Intercepters with shields because at that time the Empire couldnt afford to waste both ships and trained pilots.

That's not a fair claim. The Empire did care about it's pilots and fighters, if only becuase it's a waste to send them out to die.

A good analogy would be Imperial Japan and the US.

The japanese produced fighter built for manuverabilty and quick strikes. They relied on the skill of their pilots and their ships agility to avoid being hit.

The US produced less agile and more durable fighters. They relied on team work and the ability to shrug off minor hits to carry through.

Like Japan, towards the end of the war, the Empire had markedly less skilled pilots due to simple attrition. Thrawn had to sheild the TIEs even if it cost some performance, simply to bring more pilots back. To give them more of chance to acquire the skill needed.

Rebel propoganda makes the TIE seem like a big deathrap when they weren't much worse than an X-wing. Compare the Battle of Yavin, the kill-loss ratio between the two sides was fairly even. That's what TIEs could do with trained, seasoned pilots against an evenly matched opponent.

Half the deathtrap reputation is for the most part we see green recruits fighting seasoned vets in EU. It produces a skewed picture as TIE is a craft for an trained pilot not a newbie. Aces like Fel and his clones could and did cut a swath through rebels in the standard (ie unshielded) TIE types.

[Master of Ossus]

The TIE Advanced Mark 1 was never intended as a full production model. Rather, it was considered an elite unit's prototype. It was found to be under-armed for its high speed, which rapidly lead it to overshoot its enemies, and it was considered VERY expensive for its utility. In addition, there was concern that hyperdrive-equipped starfighters in the hands of ordinary pilots would lead to defections to Alliance forces, and that it would distract from the production of capital ships--something that some high-ranking Imperial officers were reluctant to do. Thus, the project was cancelled in favor of the TIE Interceptor, although the TIE Avenger, Defender, and even the Missile Boat would incorporate some of its design premises and utilize some of the lessons learned from the Mark 1.

[Mr Bean]

OAN-The Defender pound for pound when the Empire was still in power was CHEAPER than a TIE/Interceptor to build(Minus the Tractor)
Better and diffrent matrials apparently, however the problem was the normal 50k+ shops/spaceyards they re-tool to produce the TIE/Defender never got done due to the Emperors death

IE why the Defender ended up being more expsenive than anything but the TIE X-1 was because it never made it to mass-production stage

[Master of Ossus]

OAN-The Defender pound for pound when the Empire was still in power was CHEAPER than a TIE/Interceptor to build(Minus the Tractor)
Better and diffrent matrials apparently, however the problem was the normal 50k+ shops/spaceyards they re-tool to produce the TIE/Defender never got done due to the Emperors death

IE why the Defender ended up being more expsenive than anything but the TIE X-1 was because it never made it to mass-production stage

Cool. I didn't know that. What's the source on this, Mr. Bean? My friend just loves the TIE Defender, so he'll be happy to know that it was actually going to be pretty cheap in its final production stage.

[Wicked Pilot]

Lucasfilm realized that the TIE Interceptor looked far cooler than Vader's ship.

[Mr Bean]

Cool. I didn't know that. What's the source on this, Mr. Bean? My friend just loves the TIE Defender, so he'll be happy to know that it was actually going to be pretty cheap in its final production stage.

Studying of modern day production, some econ lessons, studing the number of Sinliar systems production facilites of the TIE-Defender Series, The mention in Issard revenge of a Production Facility on a poor single world that can pop out two full squadrens of TIE/Defenders in less than a year giving me some production rates

Also some OTR talks I get into now-adays with the advisors on the SW Galaxy project(Even if one does not stick close to cannon one still needs people there to make sure your within hailing distance of it)

[Dirty Harry]

So, have I got this right.
The interceptor and the defender came into production around about the same time but the interceptor ended up being mass produced because because it used technology not to dissimilar from the already mass produced TIE fighter ( hulls made from the same materials etc)
The Defender WOULD have made it to mass production had it not been for the upeval following Palpatines death. Also, existing TIE production lines would have had to have been retooled (an expensive and time consuming procedure requiring more co-ordination than the Empire could muster at that time). This would also have affected production of existing TIE models,so the interceptor ends up themore numerous model.

[Mr Bean]

Not quite, Your forgetting the secondary problem of Small sized shielding, A Tie Factory can build Defender shells, TIE/IN, Tie Fighter or TIE Bomber shells at will

However the Defender uses diffrent(Though Cheaper/stronger/faster) parts, however if one does not HAVE the parts it does not matter what one does

Remeber SW design tends towards modular, The TIE line is all built at the same places with simple add ons at each of the existing plants lets one build any number of designs

The Devil is in the details, and they never had time to get them worked out before the Empire crumpled

[Dirty Harry]

Thank's for clearing that up for me!
It just seemed silly to me that the empire continued to turnout the TIE fighter and interceptor models even though the Defender (as you well know) is the superior machine.
But as you say, if the necessary componants are not at hand than it does not really matter.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

So, have I got this right.
The interceptor and the defender came into production around about the same time but the interceptor ended up being mass produced because because it used technology not to dissimilar from the already mass produced TIE fighter ( hulls made from the same materials etc)
The Defender WOULD have made it to mass production had it not been for the upeval following Palpatines death. Also, existing TIE production lines would have had to have been retooled (an expensive and time consuming procedure requiring more co-ordination than the Empire could muster at that time). This would also have affected production of existing TIE models,so the interceptor ends up themore numerous model.

And, TIE Interceptors had up to ten cannons on-board.

[Vympel]

Ten .... That's a whole LOTTA guns. But not without precedent in real life. The P-51 Mustang. had 6 .50 cal MGs.

[Lt. Nebfer]

the P- 47 had "8" 12.7mm mgs (<-50 cal)

[Sardaukar]

We even see this fighter in the Background of ESB when Darth is looking out as the fleet from the Executor, the first time we see the Imp fleet, there are a couple of shot of them.

I'm pretty sure those are actually TIE Bombers.

You may want to look again thats what i thought but only one cockpit not the duel for a bomber

Just checked ESB, there are 2 TIE's that go past in that particular shot, both are definately TIE Bombers. If I need to, I will take some screencaps to prove it.

[AL]

I'm pretty sure those are actually TIE Bombers.

You may want to look again thats what i thought but only one cockpit not the duel for a bomber

Just checked ESB, there are 2 TIE's that go past in that particular shot, both are definately TIE Bombers. If I need to, I will take some screencaps to prove it.

please do, I would appreciate that.

[AL]

I'm pretty sure those are actually TIE Bombers.

You may want to look again thats what i thought but only one cockpit not the duel for a bomber

Just checked ESB, there are 2 TIE's that go past in that particular shot, both are definately TIE Bombers. If I need to, I will take some screencaps to prove it.

Dont waste your time they are tie bombers i'm wrong

[Guest]

according to the information i read, and i admit it may be wrong, The Tie-1X project was scraped because of pressure from the Imperial Admirality, they saw hyper drive equiped ships as a threat to their positions.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

I was thinking it was too expensive to mass-produce, and it was found ot be cheaper to put shields on an Interceptor, which was probably faster and more maneuverable, and perhaps with more powerful weapons. Perhaps, they improved on the design, but that one didn't make it either. It could have been used by more elite pilots, however.

According to the ICS the lack of hyperdrives on TIEs is supposed ot be psychological, teaching the pilots to rely completely on higher authority.