FCC Fucks America & the Rest of the World Up the Ass

Post by **Edi** » 2003-11-06 04:12am

That's right. No more recording or backing up any TV broadcasts unless MPAA says so, and they won't. Read the two articles linked here (second is linked from the first one). This is just fucked up, so completely fucked up there really aren't words for it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33807.html
http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000148.html

Edi

Addendum: Attention Mess members! No need for enforcement of our agreement, this topic is a one-off for the time being, I just couldn't help posting it here after a quick look confirmed that it had not been brought up.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-06 04:32am

Hey I'm not a mess member and I was still shocked by your dramatic re-emergence!

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-11-06 04:57am

Edi wrote:That's right. No more recording or backing up any TV broadcasts unless MPAA says so, and they won't.

Not true, I'll explain why in a moment. It's first worth noting that the broadcast flag is designed to prevent the distribution of copied DTV programs on the Internet. If it wasn't for the distribution of copied music and movies which clearly infringes on copyright laws (see Napster versus RIAA), there wouldn't be a need for this broadcast flag and thus it may never have been developed. Unfornunately, we're experiencing the reality of "reap what you sow".

Now you said "no more recording or backing up of TV broadcasts unless MPAA says so". That isn't true; you can make copies of ANY program, even those with the flag set. But on one condition: your DTV receiver and DVD player is broadcast flag complaint.

Meh. It's their right to restrict their content if they want to; it's their movies after all. I'm not too upset by this. I'm waiting for at least 2005 anyway for prices to drop for a great big plasma screen with DTV and a new DVD player.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-11-06 05:19am

I live in Australia, the MPAA can kiss my unusually skinny ass.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-11-06 07:31am

Gandalf wrote:I live in Australia, the MPAA can kiss my unusually skinny ass.

And the ACCC will glad ream them a new ass on our behalf

Hehe, zoned-DVDs are optin here.

And if you have a zoned DVD, it s 100% legal to have the zoning removed!

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-11-06 07:35am

It only says US, does that mean that from over here in the UK i can just point and laugh?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-11-06 09:15am

2000AD wrote:It only says US, does that mean that from over here in the UK i can just point and laugh?

Yes, yes you can.

Guess what the last "A" in RIAA and MPAA stands for.

That's right, that means jack and shit power abroad. So they can cram this juris-my-dick-tion crap up their arse and like it.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-11-06 09:16am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:So they can cram this juris-my-dick-tion crap up their arse and like it.

Heh heh, what movie is that from?

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-06 09:40am

the matrix

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-06 09:53am

now about my VCR that's older then Hemlock Grey?

how does this effect my ability to watch and despose of TV programming that's on while I am at work?

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-11-06 10:03am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:now about my VCR that's older then Hemlock Grey?

how does this effect my ability to watch and despose of TV programming that's on while I am at work?

Zero effect on VCRs.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-06 10:12am

got to love the terminally obsolte...

looks over at microwave oven that's older then Sheppard....

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-11-06 10:14am

The Yosemite Bear wrote: looks over at microwave oven that's older then Sheppard....

Bah that's nothing, we have an intercom and security system in this
house that's a good 20 years older than me

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-06 10:22am

my employee housing trailer was built in the 1960's.....

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-11-06 10:29am

My local pub is older than the USA.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-11-06 10:42am

It's actually been posted in G&C a couple of times. That said:

This ruling is specifically for ATSC. I don't think Europe will be adopting it, to the best of my knowledge. It may work in a similar fashion to the 'copyright' flag on SPIDF connections: essentially, you can record whatever you want off the broadcast (assuming your equipment has the broadcast flag enabled) but you can't make a copy of that copy. Anyone would be able to view it.

The analog hole is still open. However, it's possible that they could implement Macrovision anyways, which is cause problems with the vast majority of recording devices due to the rapid IRE shifts.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-11-06 10:45am

phongn wrote:It's actually been posted in G&C a couple of times. That said:

This ruling is specifically for ATSC. I don't think Europe will be adopting it, to the best of my knowledge. It may work in a similar fashion to the 'copyright' flag on SPIDF connections: essentially, you can record whatever you want off the broadcast (assuming your equipment has the broadcast flag enabled) but you can't make a copy of that copy. Anyone would be able to view it.

The analog hole is still open. However, it's possible that they could implement Macrovision anyways, which is cause problems with the vast majority of recording devices due to the rapid IRE shifts.

You know too much about stuff I don't give a fig about. There must be some sort of award for that.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-11-06 10:55am

phongn wrote:I don't think Europe will be adopting it, to the best of my knowledge.

For sure the MPAA will push Europe as hard as they can. Who knows, now that it's just been mandated by the FCC, Europe may find it hard to resist.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-11-06 10:55am

BoredShirtless wrote:
phongn wrote:I don't think Europe will be adopting it, to the best of my knowledge.
For sure the MPAA will push Europe as hard as they can. Who knows, now that it's just been mandated by the FCC, Europe may find it hard to resist.

There's a problem with that assumption. Europe has more brains than the MPAA.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2003-11-06 11:08am

Admiral Valdemar wrote: There's a problem with that assumption. Europe has more brains than the MPAA.

The EU will resist the MPAA because if is the MPAA now if it was the MPAE or some such it would be a different matter.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-11-06 12:04pm

Edi wrote:That's right. No more recording or backing up any TV broadcasts unless MPAA says so, and they won't. Read the two articles linked here (second is linked from the first one). This is just fucked up, so completely fucked up there really aren't words for it.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33807.html
http://bpdg.blogs.eff.org/archives/000148.html

Edi

Addendum: Attention Mess members! No need for enforcement of our agreement, this topic is a one-off for the time being, I just couldn't help posting it here after a quick look confirmed that it had not been brought up.

Bah, there's two live threads about this in Gaming and Computers. Look for "DRM for HDTV" or "Score one for the bad guys"

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-11-06 05:34pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
phongn wrote:I don't think Europe will be adopting it, to the best of my knowledge.
For sure the MPAA will push Europe as hard as they can. Who knows, now that it's just been mandated by the FCC, Europe may find it hard to resist.

And since when did Europe listen to the FCC? Lets consider that Europe didn't adopt NTSC either - choosing PAL and SECAM instead. There's nothing forcing them to adopt ATSC as well or any broadcast flags.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-11-06 06:17pm

Vympel wrote:Hey I'm not a mess member and I was still shocked by your dramatic re-emergence!

Say what? what agreement in the Mess?
Or to be more dramatic, is this a Mess conspiracy to deny the rest of SD.Net information?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-11-06 06:21pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
2000AD wrote:It only says US, does that mean that from over here in the UK i can just point and laugh?
Yes, yes you can.

Guess what the last "A" in RIAA and MPAA stands for.

That's right, that means jack and shit power abroad. So they can cram this juris-my-dick-tion crap up their arse and like it.

[Nelson] HA HA! [/Nelson]

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-06 07:21pm

This is bullshit. They can't pass rules on me for crimes I haven't even committed yet. Fuck them.

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