The New Jedi Order - A Look Back.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-04 09:30pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Shinova wrote:They did WHAAAATT to Coruscant!?!?!?!?!???

I hope someone drags that planet back to where it was and rebuilds that huge city that made Coruscant what it was.
Why even bother? It's no longer Coruscant - just some twisted perversion of its former self. They might as well just leave it as it is or blow it up.

The eternally shining beakon of the Galaxy has finally been extinguished...

Even if they did, it would take years, hell even centuries before the ravages of the Vong occupation vanish and the cityscape rises up once again.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-04 09:40pm

First I missed 90% of Voyager because you can't get UPN here in Yosemite, now since we haven't carried lucas books besides the film novelizations (and mysteriously SHadow Hunter), here I have missed all of the NJO books. Am I going to be lynched by jelous fans now?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-04 09:43pm

I haven't read any of it, either. I've only read less than a dozen of the EU novels, but that was more due to my liturature interests shifting over to manga, Tolkien, and non-fiction than a loss or interest or distaste.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-04 10:22pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:First I missed 90% of Voyager because you can't get UPN here in Yosemite, now since we haven't carried lucas books besides the film novelizations (and mysteriously SHadow Hunter), here I have missed all of the NJO books. Am I going to be lynched by jelous fans now?

No, I'm going to consider you a lucky bastard.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-11-04 10:33pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:First I missed 90% of Voyager because you can't get UPN here in Yosemite, now since we haven't carried lucas books besides the film novelizations (and mysteriously SHadow Hunter), here I have missed all of the NJO books. Am I going to be lynched by jelous fans now?

Pfft...hardly, you're damn lucky is what you are(the NJO had some decent points, but it also had some bad ones...personally if you find otu all the better.)

As to the Voyager...feel glad.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-11-04 11:34pm

I'll probably sound Heretical if I express even the slightest like of the NJO, but I thought that on the whole it was little better or worse than the rest of the EU novels (which had novels that were both strong, weak, and in between.) Then again, I'm somewhat fond of the prequels, even though I've seen a number of people bitch about how crappy they are compared ot the OT (I like the OT, but I'd say they also set it on some impossibly high pedastal based on nostalgia-worship more than anything else.)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-04 11:36pm

And as work keeps me busy wednesday nights I have missed all but three episodes of Boobyprize....

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-04 11:50pm

JME2 wrote:Even if they did, it would take years, hell even centuries before the ravages of the Vong occupation vanish and the cityscape rises up once again.

Not necessarily, what it endured from the Imperial Civil war was alot worse and it recovered from that in a few years. All the Vong really did was knock down the tallest structures and then start building on top of that, they didn't go down to the bedrock like the Imps did when they were fighting among themselves.

Worst damage the thing suffered was them dropping the golan stations on it and what happens in TUF. But once the industrial might of the galaxy gets up and running they can rebuild swiftly.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-05 12:03am

After all there's means of moving the planet back into it's proper obit over in the Correlian system, now all they really need now is one hell of a large grav well equiped driod to fly into the center of the aldaran debris field and fire it up.....

Come to think of it, for extra irony let's invite the YV there when we fire up that grave well.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-11-05 01:04am

Ender wrote:Not necessarily, what it endured from the Imperial Civil war was alot worse and it recovered from that in a few years. All the Vong really did was knock down the tallest structures and then start building on top of that, they didn't go down to the bedrock like the Imps did when they were fighting among themselves.

Worst damage the thing suffered was them dropping the golan stations on it and what happens in TUF. But once the industrial might of the galaxy gets up and running they can rebuild swiftly.

Last I checked, the only thing that happened to Coruscant before NJO was an ISD being dropped on it. IIRC each Golan is the size of an ISD, and there are many of them. That plus any skyhooks and other orbiting satellites being yanked down would do extensive damage to the surface.

In addition to that, the destruction of one moon and using in to "repave" the suface would make rebuilding even more difficult. With the change in atmosphere brought on by the manipulation of the remaining moons and all the overgrowth mentioned, I think it's safe to say that JME2's closer than you are.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-05 01:06am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:After all there's means of moving the planet back into it's proper obit over in the Correlian system, now all they really need now is one hell of a large grav well equiped driod to fly into the center of the aldaran debris field and fire it up.....

Come to think of it, for extra irony let's invite the YV there when we fire up that grave well.

Coruscant was never located in the Corelian System.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-05 01:21am

I think the above are thinking about the Corellian trilogy and the planets that were moved into place.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-11-05 06:27am

JME2 wrote:Even if they did, it would take years, hell even centuries before the ravages of the Vong occupation vanish and the cityscape rises up once again.

Nope.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-05 09:57am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
JME2 wrote:Even if they did, it would take years, hell even centuries before the ravages of the Vong occupation vanish and the cityscape rises up once again.
Nope.

It depends on where coruscant fits on the rebuilding prioritites list. Rember, the Vong have razed, altered, and destroyed thousands of worlds during their jihad over the GFFA. Corsucant will takes yearsThe whole galaxy? Decades, maybe even centuries before the mark of the Vong is removed.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-11-05 02:02pm

JME2 wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
JME2 wrote:Even if they did, it would take years, hell even centuries before the ravages of the Vong occupation vanish and the cityscape rises up once again.
Nope.
It depends on where coruscant fits on the rebuilding prioritites list. Rember, the Vong have razed, altered, and destroyed thousands of worlds during their jihad over the GFFA. Corsucant will takes yearsThe whole galaxy? Decades, maybe even centuries before the mark of the Vong is removed.

I believe the figure was set down in official material already.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 02:40pm

Kuja wrote:
Ender wrote:Not necessarily, what it endured from the Imperial Civil war was alot worse and it recovered from that in a few years. All the Vong really did was knock down the tallest structures and then start building on top of that, they didn't go down to the bedrock like the Imps did when they were fighting among themselves.

Worst damage the thing suffered was them dropping the golan stations on it and what happens in TUF. But once the industrial might of the galaxy gets up and running they can rebuild swiftly.
Last I checked, the only thing that happened to Coruscant before NJO was an ISD being dropped on it.

No. the place got pounded by a fleet, had numerous starship remains crash down, then was the site of weeks of all out no hold barred combat between imperial factions.

IIRC each Golan is the size of an ISD, and there are many of them. That plus any skyhooks and other orbiting satellites being yanked down would do extensive damage to the surface.

Yes, but in the end that wasn't as bad as what happended during the ICW. the Vong still had miles of coruscant beneath their feet. the Imperials went to the bedrock.

In addition to that, the destruction of one moon and using in to "repave" the suface would make rebuilding even more difficult. With the change in atmosphere brought on by the manipulation of the remaining moons and all the overgrowth mentioned, I think it's safe to say that JME2's closer than you are.

The official word says differently

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-11-05 02:53pm

JME2 wrote:I think the above are thinking about the Corellian trilogy and the planets that were moved into place.

I said the TECH to move the planet back into orbit exists in the correllia system....

vong vs. centerpoint?>

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-11-05 02:55pm

Is there any evidence that the current Galatic civilisation knows how to use Centerpoint for its original purpose and not just as a weapon?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 03:04pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Is there any evidence that the current Galatic civilisation knows how to use Centerpoint for its original purpose and not just as a weapon?

No, and since Anakin bought it, I doubt they can use i period.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-11-06 05:24pm

I thought it was a good series. However since i also liked TPM i doubt many people will pay attention to that.

Thank the force they didn't do the Anakin Clone thing which loads of people were sure would happen.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-06 07:27pm

Ender wrote:Not necessarily, what it endured from the Imperial Civil war was alot worse and it recovered from that in a few years. All the Vong really did was knock down the tallest structures and then start building on top of that, they didn't go down to the bedrock like the Imps did when they were fighting among themselves.

I don't think they bulldozed to bedrock, and one of the Sourcebooks clarify that most of the city damage was along a quite small band near the equator.

There's no reason to fight for most of Coruscant, so they probably only fought over Imperial City and the infrastructure centers of the planet.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-11-06 08:29pm

JME2 wrote:Tomorrow, the final book of the story-arc will go on sale (if is hasn't already in some areas; see http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... highlight=). After four years, the long war that has brought those brave souls to the breaking point will end. It's at this point that I'd like for the Star Wars fans to look back and contemplate.

As we know, the year was 1999. Timothy Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology had put an end to the weekly crisis for Coruscant and had left the slate clean for the future of the GFFA. We, the readers thought it was a chance for peacy to finally prevail after decades of war and rebellion. It should have been a new era filled with new hopes and new peace

But Fate was not ready to let the fires of conflict dissipate in that galaxy far, far away, and we saw the death of the Wookie in the pilot novel. From that point on, we knew that there could be no turning back, that this was a threat unlike any we have seen.

That was four years ago. Now, we are at the conclusion. The final battle is about to begin, with both sides, the Galactic Alliance and the Yuuzhan Vong. Sacrifice after sacrifice has been made. Characters that we have known and hate have kicked the bucket, from Anakin Solo to Borsk Fey'lya (I was so happy that he died in Star by Star, though I can't help but wonder what Timothy Zahn's response was to the death of his Bothan creation) and planets that we know and love are not as they once were, from Ithor to Coruscant itself.

Well, here's to a grand finale to a grand series.

May the Force be with them and with us.

Um ... could you get any more dramatic? It's a mediocre series coming to a much-needed end. I read through it thinking, "Christ, the Empire would've wiped the floor with these pussies."

I got so fed up with all the dumbshit organic technology fanboy wanking that I just stopped reading the series after Star By Star, which I thought was excellent. Except, of course, for that ludicrous Lord Nyax plot device. Jesus Christ, I can't get over how mind-numbingly stupid that was. That book should've been 400 pages, and I was often tempted to just skip over that bullshit to get to the exciting stuff, like the Jedi insurgency team.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-11-06 08:33pm

Durandal wrote:I got so fed up with all the dumbshit organic technology fanboy wanking that I just stopped reading the series after Star By Star, which I thought was excellent. Except, of course, for that ludicrous Lord Nyax plot device. Jesus Christ, I can't get over how mind-numbingly stupid that was. That book should've been 400 pages, and I was often tempted to just skip over that bullshit to get to the exciting stuff, like the Jedi insurgency team.

Lord Nyax wasn't in Star by Star. He was in the Enemy Lines duology.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-11-06 08:38pm

Hm ... I guess it's been a while.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-11-06 11:46pm

I wouldn't get too worked up over Coruscant. They can rebuild, and adjust (or move, I'm not all sure on GFFA grav-tech) to the new moons. It'll probably take a while but once the naval yards and construction companies of the Galaxy get up and running they'd be able to handle Coruscant in no time.

As for the damage caused to Coruscant's landscape in Dark Empire, the Jedi Academy Trilogy suggests limited damage. It is set one year after DE, and most that remains of the war are starship hulks littered across the city scape.

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