Enter the Matrix: Shit or Gold?

[Darth_Shinji]

They did leave alot open, but the movie does answer some questions buetifully.

MASSIVE SPOILERS

Apperently the Matrix and the events of the movies were along standing plan of the Oracle's to give humanity its freedom. A plan which has not been compleated yet.
She convinces The Architect to make the Matrix like he did, then created Smith as a engeneered threat to force the machines to a deal with humanity....I wonder what new surpoises lay in stiore in matrix online.

[Hotfoot]

They did leave alot open, but the movie does answer some questions buetifully.

MASSIVE SPOILERS

Apperently the Matrix and the events of the movies were along standing plan of the Oracle's to give humanity its freedom. A plan which has not been compleated yet.
She convinces The Architect to make the Matrix like he did, then created Smith as a engeneered threat to force the machines to a deal with humanity....I wonder what new surpoises lay in stiore in matrix online.

If a plot point is revealed in a shitty MMORPG, does anyone give a fuck?

If Enter the Matrix is any indication, Matrix Online is going to suck so hard the blood vessels in the WB's cocks will explode.

[Darth_Shinji]

If a plot point is revealed in a shitty MMORPG, does anyone give a fuck?

If Enter the Matrix is any indication, Matrix Online is going to suck so hard the blood vessels in the WB's cocks will explode.

If thats not your thing, fine. The game kicked ass and persoanly, I feel figuring out a story has always been funner than mere explanantion.

And also they need to make some books about smith and seraph. There back stories are cool as fuck.

[Hotfoot]

If thats not your thing, fine. The game kicked ass

Numerous others would disagree on this point quite loudly. The game was unpolished, and gameplay was seriously lacking. It felt slapped together and lackluster. The best parts were the cinematic sequences, which you had to suffer through the game to get. Max Payne 1 had better combat by far.

and persoanly, I feel figuring out a story has always been funner than mere explanantion.

Agreed, but if the game itself is buggy as hell and not much fun, I'm not about to shell out a monthly fee to figure out whatever lame shit they cooked up for the online game.

And also they need to make some books about smith and seraph. There back stories are cool as fuck.

Sorry to say this, but the less the WB write about the Matrix, the better. The more they write, the shittier it gets.

[Joe]

Bah. Enter the Matrix was a mildly entertaining diversion for a weekend, but nothing special. The combat system was pure button bashing, the car and hovercraft levels were absolutely beyond horrible, and many of the levels were poorly designed.

[Hotfoot]

Since Mike used Rotten Tomatoes for the movies, I'll use it for the games.

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Even Command & Conquer: Renegade was better than Enter the Matrix.

[Darth_Shinji]

Ah yes.....But what if people give two shits about rotton tomatoes? Which exactly is what is going on here...

[Spanky The Dolphin]

What the hell was that supposed to mean?

[Hotfoot]

Ah yes.....But what if people give two shits about rotton tomatoes? Which exactly is what is going on here...

Try forming more coherant sentences. Rotten Tomatoes takes ALL the reviews it can find at averages them together, thus supporting the point that quite a few people would loudly object to your assertation that the game "kicked ass".

If Enter the Matrix "kicked ass", I wonder...how would you rate something like Max Payne?

Enter the Matrix was not a good game. At best, it was playable. The best parts of the game had nothing to do with the actual game itself, but rather were set up as rewards for suffering through the game.

All MMORPGs ship with bugs and problems, the successful ones fix them within the first few months and improve from there. When a dev house has a history of polished, good games behind them, you can imagine that any MMORPG venture they embark on will be quite good: Take Final Fantasy XI, for example.

When a game series has a half-assed, piss-poor game as an example of past achievements, you can imagine that any MMORPG they do isn't going to be a fuckload better.

But, hey, if you enjoy sitting through shitty games for the chance of discovering the fucking stupid revelations the Wankchowski Brothers shat out this week, feel free. I'm more interested in the gameplay I get for my dollar, thank you very much. I can find out what amazing revelations await in the game for free, and without the hassle that is bound to arise.

[Darth_Shinji]

Ah yes.....But what if people give two shits about rotton tomatoes? Which exactly is what is going on here...

Try forming more coherant sentences. Rotten Tomatoes takes ALL the reviews it can find at averages them together, thus supporting the point that quite a few people would loudly object to your assertation that the game "kicked ass".

Yes....Becuase how can less than 200 hundred people be wrong?

If Enter the Matrix "kicked ass", I wonder...how would you rate something like Max Payne?

So is your entire PoV actaully based on the love of another game?

Enter the Matrix was not a good game. At best, it was playable. The best parts of the game had nothing to do with the actual game itself, but rather were set up as rewards for suffering through the game.

The whole point is this being pure opionion...Personaly I liked the fighting and action alot.

All MMORPGs ship with bugs and problems, the successful ones fix them within the first few months and improve from there. When a dev house has a history of polished, good games behind them, you can imagine that any MMORPG venture they embark on will be quite good: Take Final Fantasy XI, for example.

Of course it might just suck instead...I pefer to wait on my final judgements until I've actaully played the game in question.

When a game series has a half-assed, piss-poor game as an example of past achievements, you can imagine that any MMORPG they do isn't going to be a fuckload better.

If that were true nobody would of played Knights of the Old Republic....Hell they wouldn't have been trying to make SWs games since NINETENDO!

But, hey, if you enjoy sitting through shitty games for the chance of discovering the fucking stupid revelations the Wankchowski Brothers shat out this week, feel free. I'm more interested in the gameplay I get for my dollar, thank you very much. I can find out what amazing revelations await in the game for free, and without the hassle that is bound to arise.

Opoinions stated as facts are always funny to me. I though it was fun to play...does that hurt you so much you have to insinurate me as having inferiorr taste in games? I love ego-centric minds, they are so easy to fuck with.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Does being this stubornly idiotic come natural to you, or is it something you have to work on?

[Hotfoot]

Yes....Becuase how can less than 200 hundred people be wrong?

I suppose the fact that the people involved regularly review games for a living never crossed your mind, did it? Oh well.

So is your entire PoV actaully based on the love of another game?

No, it's based on a plethora of games that I've played, of which Enter the Matrix didn't even rate as "enjoyable" as far as gameplay in my book. If you've never played another game in your life aside from Daikatana, I suppose you might think Enter the Matrix was a kickass game, but for the rest of us, sadly, it doesn't measure up.

The whole point is this being pure opionion...Personaly I liked the fighting and action alot.

Simple mind, simple pleasures, I guess. The fact still remains that when you look at what games are available, Enter the Matrix sucks.

All MMORPGs ship with bugs and problems, the successful ones fix them within the first few months and improve from there. When a dev house has a history of polished, good games behind them, you can imagine that any MMORPG venture they embark on will be quite good: Take Final Fantasy XI, for example.

Of course it might just suck instead...I pefer to wait on my final judgements until I've actaully played the game in question. [/quote]Again, sentence structure.

Yes, the game could suck, but with MMORPGs, most times the only way to try playing the game is to lay down ~$70 USD of your hard-earned cash on the line. This is why reviewers are helpful-if a game really and truly sucks, they can let you know before spending money on it even becomes an issue. Demos are great, I love them, but Demos for MMORPGs require a full fucking download of the game client along with needing my credit card to set up my "free" account. Useful, but a lot of work on my part to do.

If that were true nobody would of played Knights of the Old Republic....Hell they wouldn't have been trying to make SWs games since NINETENDO!

Funny, I don't recall any of the old Nintendo Star Wars games being BUG RIDDEN PIECES OF SHIT.

But then I doubt you've ever played them. They were hard, yes. They were not wonderful, but they did have their charm. I still enjoy popping in my old NES Empire Strikes Back Cart, just for the Land Speeder Level. In reality, they were not much different from the other games of their time. Let's also not forget that X-Wing, TIE Fighter, and Dark Forces were bastions of Star Wars "back in the day" as it were.

Now, I wonder, how many people who bought enter the Matrix bother replaying anything but the movies?

Opoinions stated as facts are always funny to me. I though it was fun to play...does that hurt you so much you have to insinurate me as having inferiorr taste in games? I love ego-centric minds, they are so easy to fuck with.

If you found enjoyment in it, fine, but the fact of the matter is that it was riddled with bugs, suffered from poor design, and was extremely unpolished. Forgive me if I do not see your cobbled together chair with uneven legs as a executive leather recliner.

When it comes down to game design, saying something was a cobbled together piece of shit is not an opinion stated as fact. Saying that the cobbled together piece of shit "kicks ass", however, is.

The fact that you love fucking with your own mind comes as no surprise. It helps explain why you like Enter the Matrix so much.

[Darth_Shinji]

Yes....Becuase how can less than 200 hundred people be wrong?

I suppose the fact that the people involved regularly review games for a living never crossed your mind, did it? Oh well.

Oh so they are proffosonal reveiws? I didn't know that....Makes it all the more worthless to me.

No, it's based on a plethora of games that I've played, of which Enter the Matrix didn't even rate as "enjoyable" as far as gameplay in my book. If you've never played another game in your life aside from Daikatana, I suppose you might think Enter the Matrix was a kickass game, but for the rest of us, sadly, it doesn't measure up.

Again, opionion as fact. Go back to school and ask somebody the difference between opionion and fact and non-quantiflbe ideas such as fun...

Simple mind, simple pleasures,

I'm not spouting the idiotic concept that fun can be defined for everyone and the majority opoinion of some people can define that fun.



Yes, the game could suck, but with MMORPGs, most times the only way to try playing the game is to lay down ~$70 USD of your hard-earned cash on the line. This is why reviewers are helpful-if a game really and truly sucks, they can let you know before spending money on it even becomes an issue. Demos are great, I love them, but Demos for MMORPGs require a full fucking download of the game client along with needing my credit card to set up my "free" account. Useful, but a lot of work on my part to do.

If that were true nobody would of played Knights of the Old Republic....Hell they wouldn't have been trying to make SWs games since NINETENDO!

Funny, I don't recall any of the old Nintendo Star Wars games being BUG RIDDEN PIECES OF SHIT.[/quote] HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA! If you like Chewbacca as samus in a cheap metriod clone thats your thing man.

But then I doubt you've ever played them. They were hard, yes. They were not wonderful, but they did have their charm. I still enjoy popping in my old NES Empire Strikes Back Cart, just for the Land Speeder Level. In reality, they were not much different from the other games of their time. Let's also not forget that X-Wing, TIE Fighter, and Dark Forces were bastions of Star Wars "back in the day" as it were.

But the fact remains plenty of them were medoice.

Now, I wonder, how many people who bought enter the Matrix bother replaying anything but the movies?

Yes indeed considering how many thousands prob played that game whose's opoinion you will never hear.

When it comes down to game design, saying something was a cobbled together piece of shit is not an opinion stated as fact. Saying that the cobbled together piece of shit "kicks ass", however, is.

They are subjective phases you moron....And the bugs weren't that sever, personaly the really bad thing about that is the horrible cheat system. But of courrse how can your opoinion be wrong?

The fact that you love fucking with your own mind comes as no surprise. It helps explain why you like Enter the Matrix so much.

You know if you are going to try to insult me, please at least make it witty and quite with the HS kid act.

[2000AD]

Now, I wonder, how many people who bought enter the Matrix bother replaying anything but the movies?

Yes indeed considering how many thousands prob played that game whose's opoinion you will never hear.

I only replay the game for the Mansion levels, (to a lesser extent) the Smith Chase and the unlockable multiplayer mode.

And here's an opinion from one of the thousands:

It is bug ridden and Pinnochio could run more realisticly than the game characters. The driving levels were insanely stupid and it has the worst final level i have ever played. Overall it's not a bad game but it isn't a good one either, it is distincly average and Max Payne owns it.

[Darth_Shinji]

I only replay the game for the Mansion levels, (to a lesser extent) the Smith Chase and the unlockable multiplayer mode.

And here's an opinion from one of the thousands:

It is bug ridden and Pinnochio could run more realisticly than the game characters. The driving levels were insanely stupid and it has the worst final level i have ever played. Overall it's not a bad game but it isn't a good one either, it is distincly average and Max Payne owns it.

Which is perfectly acceptible, "distincly average and Max Payne owns it" "cobbled together piece of shit" "Its kickass" are opoinions...You see the lesson HotFoot?

And the phares you are looking for is: "It has flaws" Now that is a fact. "cobbled together piece of shit" isn't.

[Ghost Rider]

Split off from here

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=33425

[Shogoki]

I say shit, no aspect of the game was above average, except the clips, it may have been better had they released it for just one platform.

Calm down Shinji, you asked "Shit or Gold", you can expect people to say shit because it IS a shitty game, even if you did like it, wich is ok.

[Slartibartfast]

I think that is the threadsplit title.

Anyway, c'mon, be serious Enter the Matrix sucks goat balls, and pays for the pleasure. I mean, what the heck, in the driving scenes the enemy cars START UPSIDE DOWN and then explode.

And the movies are awesome, heh. Yeah, "Um, I'm going to exit the Matrix using this telephone!", lights flicker, actor walks out of scene, lights turn on again. What is that? They could at least try to draw some FX and lines and stuff with a pencil, and maybe even try to make sounds like "bzzzt.. kablowieeee... kazzam" or something with their mouths.

[Hotfoot]

Oh so they are proffosonal reveiws? I didn't know that....Makes it all the more worthless to me.

Obviously they are not all equal...I don't think Maxim Magazine is very in touch with the gaming world, but then they're one of the ones who gave Enter the Matrix a positive review.

Again, opionion as fact. Go back to school and ask somebody the difference between opionion and fact and non-quantiflbe ideas such as fun...

Again, I refer you to things such as game design, level construction, and so on.

I'm not spouting the idiotic concept that fun can be defined for everyone and the majority opoinion of some people can define that fun.

I wasn't aware that glaring bugs, poor level design, etc. was considered "fun".

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA! If you like Chewbacca as samus in a cheap metriod clone thats your thing man.

How does that go towards the game being a piece of shit? Also, which of the games was a cheap metroid clone, exactly? I've played Metroid and the NES Star Wars games, there aren't really very much alike as far as gameplay is concerned any more than Mega Man and Metroid are alike in that they are 2D platform shooters.

But the fact remains plenty of them were medoice.

Being lackluster is still not the same as being a bug-ridden piece of shit.

Yes indeed considering how many thousands prob played that game whose's opoinion you will never hear.

Oh, how convenient for you. Thousands of people who will never talk about how much they loved the game, yet who you are sure would speak up if given half a chance. I don't suppose you have any evidence towards that assertation, do you?

They are subjective phases you moron....

Shitty design is shitty design, pure and simple.

And the bugs weren't that sever, personaly the really bad thing about that is the horrible cheat system. But of courrse how can your opoinion be wrong?

Characters stopping for no reason in the middle of playing is hardly a minor bug, it can get you killed.

You know if you are going to try to insult me, please at least make it witty and quite with the HS kid act.

Tell you what, you try coming up with comebacks when you show that you're capable of consistantly forming sentences are the HS kid level, mmkay?

In the meantime, allow me to point something else out to you: Enter the Matrix does not let you figure out the story for yourself. It force-feeds you the story just the same as the Matrix Reloaded does. All the bits of story are revealed either during in-game cutscenes or cinematic clips. All you get to do is run around like an idiot mashing buttons from level to level, in a ridiculously linear game, just jumping through the hoops to reveal the story. You want a game that lets you figure out what's going on? Try Half-Life or Deus Ex. Half-Life never breaks character, everythign you know is everything your character knows, right down to the point of view. Deus Ex allows you to hunt for bits of information, revealing the conspiracy.

Rail shooters, like Time Crisis, do not let you figure the story out, the cutscenes are like movies. You play the game so you can pick up a light gun and blow shit up. At least in those games, they make the part you have to play enjoyable, so that the story isn't really needed, it's just tacked on for fun. Enter the Matrix spent so much time on the story, they forgot about the gameplay, level design, and hell, even QA.

[Chardok]

Gameplay/Graphics- Fucking Garbage. I've seen better on the PSX. the hands are deformed claws, shitty collision recognition, lackluster combat (With the aformentioned collision recognition) and your characters are basically gods.


Storyline-Average. Only becuase it deals with the matrix, and, from the spoilers i've read you have to play the game to get the movie references. fucking bullshit.

I'd barely give a rating as a button-masher, as most button-mashers allow the character to be hit once or twice, I don't recall a single time (Even playing on the hard level) where I got hit more than once. I could have put my Controller S down, gone to get a pepsi, come back, taken a nice, long swig, lit up a cigarette, masturbated, and written this post before My character took appreciable damage. Fucking Garbage.

I remember seeing review of this in Game Informer and thinking to myself "NEAT!" The game looks great right now! I can't wait to see it when they polish it up! Guess what? they didn't. (That was very many months before release.) They made it compatible with all three systems with no exceptions for more powerful system's graphics card. You buy it on XBOX and you're still getting PS2 quality. which isn't bad for PS2, but it's trash for the 'Box.

Suck suck suck suck. Glad I traded it in. Perhaps I'll get something more worthwhile- Like....Azurik.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I'm glad my brother bought it, and not me.

It was a tolerable 5 or so hours it took to beat both stories.

[Agent R]

Played it, and found it to be marginally tolerable.

Any chance of a polished version coming out?

[Chardok]

Played it, and found it to be marginally tolerable.

Any chance of a polished version coming out?

AFAIK, about as much chance of you shooting a drop of spooge to the sun. And as to it being any good? About as likely as the spooge extinguishing the nuclear fire.

[DPDarkPrimus]

But to answer the original question...

It's gold-colored shit.

[SirNitram]

But to answer the original question...

It's gold-colored shit.

So someone shit the turd out then pissed on it?