What would you replace the SA-80 with?

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-11-07 09:14pm

Alyeska wrote:IMO the M16 family or the FAMAS G2 would be the best bet for the UK. Both are proven true weapon systems and are highly capable. Furthermore they continue to use STANAG clips.

Of course there is a problem with the M16 series because its schedueled to be replaced. Maybe the UK can buy some for temporary replacement (get the M16A4) and then eventualy switch to the M8. If they want an imediate new weapon system, the FAMAS G2 is a nice weapon system.

I dislike bullpups intensely. They are conveniently short true, but the nature of their design makes it impossible to fire them from the opposite shoulder. This is a real disadvantage, since sometimes if you are right handed, you may have to shoot around the left corner of available cover, and if you are left handed, vice versa. With a conventionally laid out assault rifle, you can simply switch to the opposite shoulder and fire. With a bullpup, you can't do this, so you now have to stick your entire upper body out into the open to fire around such cover. No thank you.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-11-08 12:51am

Perinquus wrote:
I dislike bullpups intensely. They are conveniently short true, but the nature of their design makes it impossible to fire them from the opposite shoulder. This is a real disadvantage, since sometimes if you are right handed, you may have to shoot around the left corner of available cover, and if you are left handed, vice versa. With a conventionally laid out assault rifle, you can simply switch to the opposite shoulder and fire. With a bullpup, you can't do this, so you now have to stick your entire upper body out into the open to fire around such cover. No thank you.

??NZ army Styers {even if they are the Aussie made peice o shite} can be fired left handed and I have seen our guys do so. I think they can swap the ejector over to the other side for lefties.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-11-08 01:13am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
??NZ army Styers {even if they are the Aussie made peice o shite} can be fired left handed and I have seen our guys do so. I think they can swap the ejector over to the other side for lefties.

Lefties are issued a mirror-imaged weapon. That is almost certainly what you saw being used.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-11-08 02:09am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Perinquus wrote:
I dislike bullpups intensely. They are conveniently short true, but the nature of their design makes it impossible to fire them from the opposite shoulder. This is a real disadvantage, since sometimes if you are right handed, you may have to shoot around the left corner of available cover, and if you are left handed, vice versa. With a conventionally laid out assault rifle, you can simply switch to the opposite shoulder and fire. With a bullpup, you can't do this, so you now have to stick your entire upper body out into the open to fire around such cover. No thank you.
??NZ army Styers {even if they are the Aussie made peice o shite} can be fired left handed and I have seen our guys do so. I think they can swap the ejector over to the other side for lefties.

Yes, you can switch the ejector over to the other side for the FAMAS as well. But you are still stuck with a weapon that can only be fired from one shoulder until it either goes back to the armorer for conversion, or until you get a moment when you can sit down, and strip it down and convert it yourself - not exactly an option in a combat situation. So you are stuck with a weapon that can only be fired right or left handed, depending on how you have it set up to begin with. And if you come to a bit of cover that you need to shoot around, but it is a left corner and you are right handed, as I said, you now have to expose your entire upper body, instead of just your head and right arm and shoulder, in order to make an aimed shot. Either that or you have to be willing to put up with hot brass ejecting right into your face.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2003-11-08 02:12am

My shitty armorer just said "Sucks to be you" (Pretty much) when I told him I was left handed. Apparently they don't make a lefty M4. Or just didn't want to buy one for PFC Klix.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-11-08 02:46am

Chardok wrote:My shitty armorer just said "Sucks to be you" (Pretty much) when I told him I was left handed. Apparently they don't make a lefty M4. Or just didn't want to buy one for PFC Klix.

You don't need a "lefty" M4. There is no such thing. Look at that little pyramidal projection just behind the ejection port. That's the brass deflector. It's there to keep the brass from flying back into your face when you shoot left handed. This means you can shoot an M4 carbine from either shoulder just fine.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-11-08 04:37am

Perinquus wrote: Yes, you can switch the ejector over to the other side for the FAMAS as well. But you are still stuck with a weapon that can only be fired from one shoulder until it either goes back to the armorer for conversion, or until you get a moment when you can sit down, and strip it down and convert it yourself - not exactly an option in a combat situation. So you are stuck with a weapon that can only be fired right or left handed, depending on how you have it set up to begin with. And if you come to a bit of cover that you need to shoot around, but it is a left corner and you are right handed, as I said, you now have to expose your entire upper body, instead of just your head and right arm and shoulder, in order to make an aimed shot. Either that or you have to be willing to put up with hot brass ejecting right into your face.

Ahh, yes, point taken.