The official Revolutions DISCUSSION thread

[Xon]

which would have wiped out the Zionists' meagre defenses in a matter of seconds from what I've heard

Thats being kind to the Zionists.

The whole thing could have been over if the 1st wave of the sentinals just fell down dead on the Zionists!

Here is another question, why didnt they just colapse a large chunk of the dome above the dock & flatten all of them?

[Xon]

Even incompetent totalitarian armies typically do not order 95% of their troops to just stand there and expose themselves to enemy fire while doing nothing in return. If they had simply charged en masse (which would have wiped out the Zionists' meagre defenses in a matter of seconds from what I've heard), then you might be able to compare their tactics to real-life tactics.

It would be the equivilant of Greek soldiers running their Phalanx sideways across a battlefield trying to catch all the arrows being fired at them.

lol!

Classic!

[Spyder]

Thats being kind to the Zionists.

The whole thing could have been over if the 1st wave of the sentinals just fell down dead on the Zionists!

Here is another question, why didnt they just colapse a large chunk of the dome above the dock & flatten all of them?

It's a bit like voyager, there's an untold number of ways they could have done it better.

Everthing trying to fight against the machines was either standing holding a rocket thingie or in an open cockpit mech, why not flood the chamber with gas? One can of a modern Sarin equivilant and it would have been all over.

[Shogoki]

I actually might want to see this in the cinema just so I can have the enjoyment of hating it.

Anyway, I'm glad that instead of seeing Revolutions, I spent my ten dollars on two screenings of Millennium Actress.

Maybe you should form your own opinion of the film. This is exactly what happened to Phantom Menace and Reloaded--there was initial negativity and people just accepted it and went into the theater looking only for the bad.

The main difference there is that TPM WAS bad....awful, far worse than Revolutions.

I actually liked TPM way more than any of the 3 Matrix movies, the Maul vs Obi and Qui Gon was enough to make me go see it 3 times.
Every dialog scene in the 3 Matrix movies made me roll my eyes and wish it was over and they get to the action.

[Vympel]

The annoying part of the battle was that in the first few seconds, it actually had potential- there's a small hole in the 'roof'- and the Sentinels start coming- all the guns open fire and it seems that the Sentinels can't make it through fast enough, they're just dying. Then you realize that some are starting to escape the initial endless fusilade and are starting to strafe around the sides, so the APUs have to divert their fire to theese stragglers- that's when you realize things aren't going to last much longer- they'll be overwhelmed in seconds, right? No. Because the Sentinels will just act like schools of fish and fly around doing sweet fuck all while the defenders pour fire into their ranks for several minutes at a time (with their APU pilots endlessly screaming ... yawn)- with the occasional Sentinel deciding to do something fucking useful. There was a breif bit of actual tension where I thought "this can't end well ..." and they just pissed it up against the wall with moron tactics. Not to say that the tactics of both attacker and defenders weren't stupid from the start, but for fuck's sake ... throw us a BONE here!

[2000AD]

Thank you Wong. Finally someone that does not think the Matrix is the 'all that' movie. God, I get tired of people acting like it's the best movie. By virtue of name or not, remember, Matrix came out in 99, so did Star Wars. Heh. Schmack. The only parts of Reloaded I didn't like was when anyone was talking. LoL. Yup. When it went gung ho action, I was all over it.

Obviously you didn't spot everyone else in this thread going "That was fuckign stupid/shit!"

And is this more evidence that the Architect was bullshitting? Anyone as dumb as the machines couldn't have destroyed Zion 5 times already if they have tactics like that!

[Crown]

Thank you Wong. Finally someone that does not think the Matrix is the 'all that' movie. God, I get tired of people acting like it's the best movie. By virtue of name or not, remember, Matrix came out in 99, so did Star Wars. Heh. Schmack. The only parts of Reloaded I didn't like was when anyone was talking. LoL. Yup. When it went gung ho action, I was all over it.

Obviously you didn't spot everyone else in this thread going "That was fuckign stupid/shit!"

And is this more evidence that the Architect was bullshitting? Anyone as dumb as the machines couldn't have destroyed Zion 5 times already if they have tactics like that!

Yes they could have if all the other Zionists fought like they did in Revolutions.

Anywho, I just got back from work, which means I saw it twice tonight. Final thoughts, once you get all the bitching out of your system and stop acting like an over-analytical geek, you realise that this movie was just plain cool. But I have to remember, I don't pay to see movies, so I guess it's different for you, 'the little people' than for me

[Ghost Rider]

Thank you Wong. Finally someone that does not think the Matrix is the 'all that' movie. God, I get tired of people acting like it's the best movie. By virtue of name or not, remember, Matrix came out in 99, so did Star Wars. Heh. Schmack. The only parts of Reloaded I didn't like was when anyone was talking. LoL. Yup. When it went gung ho action, I was all over it.

Obviously you didn't spot everyone else in this thread going "That was fuckign stupid/shit!"

And is this more evidence that the Architect was bullshitting? Anyone as dumb as the machines couldn't have destroyed Zion 5 times already if they have tactics like that!

Yes they could have if all the other Zionists fought like they did in Revolutions.

Anywho, I just got back from work, which means I saw it twice tonight. Final thoughts, once you get all the bitching out of your system and stop acting like an over-analytical geek, you realise that this movie was just plain cool. But I have to remember, I don't pay to see movies, so I guess it's different for you, 'the little people' than for me

Pfft I don't pay for them either...and I still felt robbed.

Though after a second time...I still hold firm to Monica's tits are very nice, Smith was cool, and I'd like to see the final battle be done with Superman II style(if only he was thrown through a Coke sign).

[Xon]

Here is another question.

How powerful would those rockets the Zionists were making? (aka the really crappy RPGs)

Cos there was a scene were someone was grinding powder to make them!!

[Vendetta]

Powerful enough to shear through the support stuts for the drilling platforms.

But not powerful enough, one assumes, to make much impact on the shoals

[Vympel]

Powerful enough to shear through the support stuts for the drilling platforms.

But not powerful enough, one assumes, to make much impact on the shoals

I don't think 'shear' is the appropriate term- they're clearly high explosive effect weapons, of little use against an actual armored target- and these support struts for those drills were quite fragile at the point they were hit- the blast merely smashed them.

[HemlockGrey]

Final thoughts, once you get all the bitching out of your system and stop acting like an over-analytical geek, you realise that this movie was just plain cool

It's fun to watch, because, like I said, the pacing and the plot are both superior to Revolutions, but that doesn't change the fact that every character in this film acts like a retarded chimpanzee at one point or another (with the possible exception of Smith), that there are about a dozen unresolved threads, and that the ending was horribly unsatisfying.

[Vendetta]

The ending only really needed one more thing to exxplain away the reset.

Someone reminding Neo that there was no way in hell that the Matrix's population could be supported in the Real world. The Humans need the Matrix as much as the machines do. This should have been mentioned.

[Joe Momma]

The inept tactics of the Machine Army didn't bother me overmuch, given how rife RL history is with such tactics. The Machines' idea of waging war seemed to be to dump a bunch of dumb-ass conscripts (sentinels) into the field in disorganized waves and simply overwhelm the enemy by brute attrition. Shitty tactics, but how many asshole dictators/totalitarian states have done the same.

Even incompetent totalitarian armies typically do not order 95% of their troops to just stand there and expose themselves to enemy fire while doing nothing in return. If they had simply charged en masse (which would have wiped out the Zionists' meagre defenses in a matter of seconds from what I've heard), then you might be able to compare their tactics to real-life tactics.

Order them to stand there uselessly, no. Have a hell of a time getting them to move forward and attack in the first place, yes. Also, the word "order" implies there was something actually organizing the attack, which is a difficult argument to make, har-har. I think the sentinels were swarming around trying to decide who'd have to charge first and eat lead and more importantly, who got to stay in back while the front-line played bullet-stopper.

The Architect: "Get in there and FUCKING KILL THEM!"
Sentinel #234,087: "Fuck you, buddy. I'm gonna run back and forth in front of the guns like Kevin Costner in 'Dances With Wolves' and hope the meatsacks either run out of ammo or some other schmuck gets ordered to attack before I have to go in."

Yes, I'm being facetious, though horribly I'm beginning to wonder if the majority of the sentinels being some sort of unwilling conscripts that only charged into attack when directly ordered is the closest to a logical explanation (insert your favorite "logic and the Matrix?" joke/observation here). I'm also anxiously awaiting the cross-universe fanfic where the Machines are shown to get their tactical procedures and organizational skills from the Borg. Come to think of it, the Machines seemed to have that tragicomic Borg quality of only reacting to events/dangers well after the fact.

-- Joe Momma

[Joe Momma]

BTW, where's all the shrill feminist interpretations of the Matrix: Revolutions? You know, the drills as unfeeling mechanical penises, the swarms of flagellating sentinels as wads of semen, the Dock as a vagina, the old white male Architect forcing himself upon/into the Zion body politic of minorities & women, how Zee and Vasquez (not her real name, but it might as well have been) working together to castrate the Machines by desroying their penis analogues showed the progression of militant lesbianism over repressive patriarchal domination, etc., etc., blah-de-fucking-blah...

It's probably already out there, but I don't have the heart to do a google search.

-- Joe Momma

[2000AD]

Anywho, I just got back from work, which means I saw it twice tonight. Final thoughts, once you get all the bitching out of your system and stop acting like an over-analytical geek, you realise that this movie was just plain cool. But I have to remember, I don't pay to see movies, so I guess it's different for you, 'the little people' than for me

Not really (at least for me). I saw it and though it was good, but that was good as in above average, not as in very good, excellent or cool, like it should have been. In my opinion there were only two things that made this film rank above average:

Smith (i'm including Bane in here as he was Smith too) and Monica Bellucis cleavage !

The Neo-Smith fight was a big let down ( fight a bit, fly together, fight a bit, fly together, fly together, fight a bit, fly together, say some crap lines end fight) , the fight in the clubs entry hall was a slightly modified lobby scene, there was still too much philosophy crap, no sign of agents whatso-ever, defence of Zion looked good but was spoiled a bit by everyone being a hero and massive stupidity and worst of all, the absolute turn in bowl that piece of shit ending! I would have chosen practically any of the endings suggested by the board in the thread (even the missing kidney one) over that pile of steaming manure!

[Hotfoot]

I am going to now review Revolutions. Be warned that this will include massive fucking spoilers, which will likely ruin the entire movie if you haven't already seen it. A bit redundant, given the thread, but I'm just covering all my bases.

To start with, Revolutions is better than Reloaded, which admittedly is not saying much. To me, the high points of Reloaded were a few choice lines ("wiping your ass with silk," "me, me, me,") and spotting H&K weaponry in action. Note that while a movie does gain brownie points for featuring H&K guns, I consider that to be icing on the cake, not the cake itself. When the high point of a movie involves me looking for my favorite guns, that speaks not well of the movie.

Now, piece by piece.

Bane is KO'ed. He's the only survivor of the massacre which was caused by a premature EMP. He has self-inflicted wounds that are more than one day old. The captain wants some damn good answers from him. He could wake up at any time. Why is he not restrained and under guard? Why is he allowed to palm a scalpel (or hide it on his person)? Why does nobody notice the strange way he speaks? Fucking idiots.

Oracle. Why is she different? PLAY THE GAME TO FIND OUT!! Fuckers. Motherfucking cocksucking pissant shitlicking cumguzzling babyeating assmongering cunts. I will find you and beat you to death with your own filth-encrusted scrotums.

Neo is between the Matrix and the Real World. WTF? Okay, I can deal with it, so long as I don't think about it. Aw fuck, too late...

Making the machines more human. Okay, I can dig it. Remove the black and white, make shades of grey. Machines are capable of love. How do they have sex? Kids? WTF? Okay, so the concept is nice, but the execution sucks ass. We also get a brief look into the society of the machines. They appear to be cold and unfeeling, but yet individual machines have feelings. Why?

Trainman. Makes a subroutine where he is god. Bull. Shit. Nobody can leave, huh? So how the fuck do they get there in the first place? Neo is a special case, obviously, but nobody seems to know how he got there, or why. How did the machines who were waiting for the train get there?

Nightclub. Goes from okay to cool to fuck you all at random. At first, Trinity's trinity doesn't even bother with cover. Morpheus, I love the HK MP5Ks, but why the fuck do you need scopes on them when you're using them akimbo, you dumb shit? Why were the guards walking on the ceiling? The jump from wall to wall thing was cool, bouncing all over the room is interesting, but why are you dancing on the motherfucking ceiling? Trinity's patented flying kick-I was honestly hoping she would nail htat fucker in the head. It's like, "you want to walk on the ceiling like a moron? Fine, let me show you why that's a bad idea," BOOT TO THE HEAD!!

Merv...poor, poor Merv. Not much to say here, except that Trinity's trinity has character shields like mad.

Smith vs. the Oracle and company. Okay, Smith is mean, subverting even a little girl...er, program. Um...well fuck it. Wasn't fond of it, but it worked. What pissed me off was Smith's face off with the Oracle. From this point on, the Smith we knew and loved from the first movie is GONE (not counting Bane at the moment, I'll get back to him). He's a raving lunatic, babbling on and on in circles. "Did you know, didn't you know, blah blah blah," Smith goes on until the Oracle thankfully tells him to just shut the fuck up and get the scene over with. Which he does, but not before calling her "Mother". Okay, so Smith is the child of the Oracle and...who, the Architect? Maybe it's not so much the word as the connection, since the Oracle was the reason Smith has now become what he is. Maybe he's just taunting her one last time by letting her know he has the little girl program. Who cares? Not me not me! Why? HE BREAKS CHARACTER by calling her "Mother". He despises human emotions and connections, that's why he wants to kill all the humans, and then the machines that habor them. Finally, once the corruption sequence is finished, Smith backs away...unsure, uncertain, afraid. Yes, AFRAID. This happens again later, and I fucking hate it. Then he (rather, Oracle Smith) starts laughing. Yeah. Weehay.

Lock. A character I'm supposed to not like in the slightest. Yet he's one of the characters I actually feel sorry for during Reloaded and Revolutions. Here he is, supposed to have complete and TOTAL control over the defenses of Zion, and yet he is constantly being hampered in his ability to do so by the politicians of the council. Let the generals command the armies, you dumb shits, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Lock wants to keep Morpheus from setting foot in a ship again. Morpheus just rubs Lock's inability to make that decision without the council interfering in his face. I look at it like this:
Lock: God damn it I gave you an order!
Morph: Yeah, so what? I don't like you.
Lock: I don't care, I gave you an order. I am in command, when I say jump, don't even ask how high, just do it! If you can't, then I'll make sure you don't continue to fuck things up by removing you from active duty.
Morph: You can't, so I can do whatever I want. I've got the Council sucking my cock, so you're shit out of luck. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and you can't do a damn thing to stop me.

Weee...that's great! But hey, I guess it was somewhat understandable in Reloaded. In Revolutions, it's retarded. Lock wants to stop the Machines at the docks. In order to best do that, he wants to put the full force of Zion at the docks. In all, not a bad idea. The council, however, blanches and despite giving him TOTAL CONTROL in assembling the defense of Zion, continues to tell him what he can and cannot do.

Bane wakes up. Goes nuts. Kills the doctor with a scalpel to the chest. Instantly. Good grief. Scalpels are not killing instruments! The blade, though sharp, is tiny. Not only that, but he stabs her, IIRC, dead center in her chest, meaning the scalpel would have to go through solid bone before it hit anything vital. Even if it had been lower, it would have been a gut wound, painful and debilitating, but not immediately fatal. Even if it had been slightly to the sides, it would have meant most likely a punctured lung, which is again not immediately fatal. Then he manages to sneak out of the Hammer and into the Logos, without anybody noticing. Morons. All of them. Niobe giving the Logos to Neo and Trinity wasn't that bad, actually, since the fastest way back was through a tunnel only one person could apparently navigate. Only one ship was bound to come back anyway, so if Neo thought he had a better use for the second ship, hey, wonderful.

They find the dead doctor...whoops, too late to go back and warn the Logos. Did nobody do a fucking head count before they took off? At the very least, they did leave Trinity and Neo to die. Thank goodness for small miracles. If they had gone back, I would have been royally pissed.

So Bane ambushes Trinity, calls out Neo, and starts the villain routine. Not badly done, and in fact enjoyable. Bane nails Smith very fucking nicely, and brings back the Smith we all enjoyed from the first movie. However, Neo, the dumbest fucking man alive, doesn't get it. He has to have it spelled out for him. Great. The savior of humanity is the biggest fucking retard we have ever managed to produce. Talk about pandering to the lowest common denominator. The scene also finally involved a fight scene where Neo was in serious danger, something they should have included in Reloaded. Once Neo becomes a god inside the matrix, find some situations where he is in danger. How? Go OUTSIDE the matrix. Took them long enough to figure that out, the fuckers. It was a fun scene, at least up until Bane's little "blind messiah" line, which was fucking annoying. Attention Wachaoski Brothers: WE GET THE FUCKING PICTURE! Give the audience some credit, please, you fucking morons. The burning Smith over Bane was cool, but only further drove home the Neo = Second (Sixth?) Coming, Smith = Antichrist symbolism.

Defense of Zion. It wasn't a battle, it was a fucking ballet. The machines and zionists danced around each other for what seemed like hours. It was interesting to watch at points, but in the end, it was just an artsy "look at what we can do with CG" excercise. Whoop-de-doo. You fucks. A friend asked me how the fight compared to the Battle of Endor, and the Stormtroopers getting owned by the cute fuzzy Ewoks. Sadly, this fight fails even that comparison. The Ewoks and the Imperials both, at least, showed some degree of skill, tactics, and so on. They were, at the very least, somewhat competant. The lanky AT-STs were exploited, but also shown to be extremely dangerous. Both sides engaged full-on, not pulling any punches. The Defense of Zion showed both sides had such an unbelievable level of stupidity that the only possible remedy would be to glass the whole fucking planet and let the cockroaches try their hand at being the dominant species.

Lock is portrayed inconsistantly. First he wants to open the doors for the Hammer, to let them in and let them help with the defenses. Then he's bitching that they just cost Zion the docks. What defenses were left, exactly? Did the machines not utterly destroy each APU they tore into (well, okay, obviously not, given that Kid is still able to operate Mifune's APU after Mifune is ripped to hell, but they could have done so easily).

Kid. Well, at the very least, Kid's balls finally drop. Unfortunately, they are still firmly implanted in Neo's clenched hand. "I believe". What do you believe? You believe in Neo? When did you stop? Fuck you, Kid. Take some credit for your shit for fuck's sake.

Oh, and the machines washed over Mifune, sliced his ass up, but his APU is still fucntional. This, people, is a key example of why those fucking things should have been armored.

Lock blows the tunnel before the Machines even get to it. Okay, fine. Don't want to risk the machines slipping through. Why didn't you wait to catch some machines in the blast? Presumably to avoid the old cliche "oh no, the bombs aren't working now! We need to detonate them manually" or "The machines disabled the bombs because we waited too long! We're doomed!" I actually rather liked it. What I didn't like was that nowhere in Zion did they have defensive EMP systems. For fuck's sake, people, you have the tech, USE IT! The machines have to come for you, put that shit to use!

The machines are so unforgivable stupid it pains me to talk about about it. You want to kill puny humans? You can do this in lots of ways. NBC weapons come to mind. Drop'em down the hole and away you go. Drop your own EMP down the hole too, knock out their machines. Use guns of your own, attack on sight. You aren't killing any humans flying around like the wasted robot sperm being flushed down a toilet.

Neo vs. Comp USA. Oh, goody, the machines are throwing "smart" bombs at them by the hundreds. Well, Neo rewrites their code to emulate Matrix fanwhores, and they all blow their loads way too early. Despite simultaneously detonating dozens upon dozens of the bombs, he is overwhelmed by a dozen or so sentinels. Solution? Fly, Trinity, Fly! We're treated to an absolutely fucking pointless scene where the Logos breaks the cloud cover. The clouds seem to be very highly charged, and disable the squiddies as the Logo comes up...and apparently the Logos as well. Here's the thing...it doesn't take them very long to break the cloud cover...what's to keep the machines from sticking up a tower with solar panels above the cloud cover, and gaining additional power from the highly charged clouds? I don't know, but I'm sure the reason why is on some spooge-stained page of notes deep inside the Wachaoski's lair.

Trinity's death. Oh no, Trinity is dead! Everyone in the theater knows it! One group laughs out loud when Neo finally figures it out. It was so fucking obvious, there was no surprise to the audience. The tension failed to build because of the way Trinity was speaking and the tell-tale angle of the camera. The whole scene was boring as hell. It dragged so much I nearly fell asleep watching it.

Neo walking on water...well, energy ripples. Or something. Lead pipe symbolism 101: how to drive the fucking point home so much that your audience wants to physically beat you senseless.

Neo talking to the..uh...source. Yeah...loads of squiddies making a face and a powerful voice. Forgive me if I can't help but feel shades of Oz. "Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful source!" Sorry, no. You're a couple of fucking morons. The banter between the two...just, sucked. What use has a machine for bravado? For bluffing? For...well...pride?

Neo vs. Smith: Final Round

FIGHT!

The last vestiges of Smith died with Bane. Smith is now completely insane. The fight was...eh. The sonic boom in rain thing was okay, but it was far, far from flawless, and each time they showed it only more clearly showed the flaws. It was like they had just discovered the lens flare effect in Photoshop. Some parts of the fight were cool. The whole Silhouette Kung-Fu sequence was actually pretty hot. The slo-mo "Smith Slobberknocker" sequence was just silly and stupid, making Smith look even more like a fucking idiot. Then Smith has Neo. He sees the scene he saw when he corrupted the Oracle. He then prances around like a fucking moron and prattles on with what he's supposed to say. He sounds like an actor who's screaming "LINE?!" on the set. Then something happens he didn't see, and once again, he gets scared. Smith is terrified by this turn of events. Those fucking tools ruined Smith. Then Neo gives up, after spouting some more inane babble. Neo gets corrupted, the Source sends a surge through the Smiths via Neo, and destroys them all, resetting the Matrix. The programs corrupted by Smith seem no worse for the wear, and presumably the humans in the Matrix are restored as well. Once again, we are treated to Lead Pipe Symbolism 101 with the cross of energy forming behind the crucified blind savior.

The Oracle then goes on to let us know that the Architect will set the humans free, but we don't know on what terms. Neo's fate? We don't see him stop breathing, we don't see his body being destroyed, we don't know what happened. The Oracle says that we'll see him again. Neo. Not "The One". NEO. Assumption: Neo's not dead, he's resting. Well, he's pining for the Fjords at least. They're not ending the story there, just the movies. They'll now have comic books, novels, the MMORPG, hell, maybe a TV show. But, hey, no more movies. For now, anyway.

From here, I'd like to go into a rant about how they'll continue things, but that's a post for another thread. Instead, I'll just leave you with this:


Do you really think that's cinematic gold you're shitting?

[Tsyroc]

Lock is portrayed inconsistantly. First he wants to open the doors for the Hammer, to let them in and let them help with the defenses. Then he's bitching that they just cost Zion the docks. What defenses were left, exactly? Did the machines not utterly destroy each APU they tore into (well, okay, obviously not, given that Kid is still able to operate Mifune's APU after Mifune is ripped to hell, but they could have done so easily).

I tend to agree with you on this inconsistancy but he could just be being an ass and taking the wind out of their sails since all they really did was postpone things and in some ways they did make them worse.

The more I think about it the more I wonder why he did have them open the doors, unless there wouldn't have been enough time for them to fall back to the temple without the EMP.

The Oracle then goes on to let us know that the Architect will set the humans free, but we don't know on what terms. Neo's fate? We don't see him stop breathing, we don't see his body being destroyed, we don't know what happened. The Oracle says that we'll see him again. Neo. Not "The One". NEO. Assumption: Neo's not dead, he's resting. Well, he's pining for the Fjords at least. They're not ending the story there, just the movies. They'll now have comic books, novels, the MMORPG, hell, maybe a TV show. But, hey, no more movies. For now, anyway.

As someone who has not bought or watched anything other than the live action movies I haven't heard or seen anything that has convinced me to change my mind.

Neo not being dead makes me wonder if they are switching from Messiah to "The Once and Future King" schtick. Neo, supposedly dead from his battle with Mordred (Smith) he was dragged off to Avalon where he'll stay until we need him again.

[Hotfoot]

I tend to agree with you on this inconsistancy but he could just be being an ass and taking the wind out of their sails since all they really did was postpone things and in some ways they did make them worse.

The more I think about it the more I wonder why he did have them open the doors, unless there wouldn't have been enough time for them to fall back to the temple without the EMP.

Here's the problem. The Hammer is under attack. Unless it gets some help, it's doomed. The forces in the dock are under attack, unless they get some help, they're doomed. Opening the door to let the Hammer in only offers the machines two entry points to the dock, making it even harder to defend than before. With the defenses all but destroyed, that means the dock is as good as lost. The only thing that could have possibly bought any time at all was the EMP on board the Hammer (again, why no EMP defensive systems in Zion itself? Stupid fuckers). So Lock is just bitching for the sake of bitching, basically. It only serves to show that he is an asshole and to drive Niobe further away from him and back towards Morpheus. Whee.

As someone who has not bought or watched anything other than the live action movies I haven't heard or seen anything that has convinced me to change my mind.

Change your mind about what?

Neo not being dead makes me wonder if they are switching from Messiah to "The Once and Future King" schtick. Neo, supposedly dead from his battle with Mordred (Smith) he was dragged off to Avalon where he'll stay until we need him again.

No, it still fits in the mythos of Christ. He returns to "heaven". My bet is either that he is now a part of the Matrix, and will eventually materialize himself there, or that he returned to his body and is now working with the Machines to help maintain the peace.

[zombie84]

More than likely the Source Code of the One (Christ) returned back to the Source(Heaven) when the Matrix was redesigned/reloaded at the end of the film. His body is dead but the spirit of the messiah lives on in heaven (along with the Father, the Architect).

[TrailerParkJawa]

Saw it today. Went to a full price showing so another friend could make it. I wish Id seen a matinee, but hey what can you do?

I liked this one less than the previous two films, like another poster said, I found this one to be somewhat boring. There were very few times when I felt any sense of tension.

The mechs with open cockpits and screaming pilots was fucking dumb. Id buy screaming pilots fighting with rage and even mechs, but make them more than Aliens style forklifts with guns.

As for the battle, I thought it was pretty cool visually but kept thinking, shouldn the machines just drop a fucking nuke into Zion once they breach the wall. Hey whats that small cyclinder falling from the ceiling? Followed by a bright light and the movie is over.

[Death from the Sea]

don't know if you have seen this but it is entertaining I like this ending it is funny.

[Tsyroc]

As someone who has not bought or watched anything other than the live action movies I haven't heard or seen anything that has convinced me to change my mind.

Change your mind about what?

Sorry, I meant that I haven't changed my mind about not wanting to watch, play read any of the other Matrix related merchandise. So if they plan on dragging this out in any fashion other than another movie I'm probably not going to do have anything to do with it.

I've been tempted to rent The Animatrix but if it screws the regular movies up any more than they already are I don't really see the point.

[Hotfoot]

Sorry, I meant that I haven't changed my mind about not wanting to watch, play read any of the other Matrix related merchandise. So if they plan on dragging this out in any fashion other than another movie I'm probably not going to do have anything to do with it.

Ah, so I see.

I've been tempted to rent The Animatrix but if it screws the regular movies up any more than they already are I don't really see the point.

Actually, the Animatrix I would recommend wholeheartedly. Some of the animated shorts are really very good, my favorite is Detective Story. Some aren't so great, but they're still not bad. The only one that left me with a kind of "WTF" was Matriculated, but seeing as how it was done by the guy who did Aeon Flux, I'm not terribly surprised. At the very least rent it. I actually bought it, making it the second (and probably only) Matrix DVD I purchased. The first, of course, being the original movie.

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The Second Renaissance is even more fucking stupid than the Revolutions battle.