DS vs Unlimited Borg.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-11-05 05:10pm

Via a strange quirk of fate the 1st Death Star is trasported into intergalactic space. It is surrounded and attacked by 100 assorted borg vessels. Whenever the DS destroys a borg vessel 2 more takes its place.

In this totally unrealistic situation what happens first:
1) The borg assimilate the DS
2) The borg destroy the DS.
3) The entire crew of the DS dies of old age.?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 05:23pm

DS will run out of fuel or subcome to wear and tear from constantly running its sheidls and firing its weapons eventually. Only question is whether this or the number of borg cubes creating sufficient mass to create a singularity occurs first.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 05:31pm

Assuming 1% solid, density of iron, and that the DS destroys all of them in a second, it will take 74 years to get sufficient borg cubes there to have the mass of earth. DS should run out of supplies long before that.

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2003-11-05 05:31pm

I don't think the Borg have the offensive capabilities to pierce the DS shields if we multiply the republic assault ship's peak shielding with the size ratio of the republic assault ship's main reactor size and the main reactor size of the DS.

There is a finite amount of space around a DS and that space would be filled up with Borg cubes before the DS shields would be close to being overwhelmed.

Maybe if millions of borg cubes could exist simultaneosly in the same space could they have a chance.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 05:32pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:I don't think the Borg have the offensive capabilities to pierce the DS shields if we multiply the republic assault ship's peak shielding with the size ratio of the republic assault ship's main reactor size and the main reactor size of the DS.

Or you could just analyze the Alderaan scene and see they took ~1*10^32 joules with no problem since we don't know if shields scale like that.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-11-05 05:59pm

The DS runs out of fuel and its gun barrels wear down from constant firing.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2003-11-05 06:03pm

Bah.

They would simply calculate the course to thier galaxy and jump away, letting several cubes exploding on thier shields when they speed up, and ripping the rest to shreds with the enormous with the aftereffects of jumping with such a mig mass into hyperspace.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-11-05 06:10pm

Tribun wrote:Bah.

They would simply calculate the course to thier galaxy and jump away, letting several cubes exploding on thier shields when they speed up, and ripping the rest to shreds with the enormous with the aftereffects of jumping with such a mig mass into hyperspace.

Their hyperdrive was disabled in the quirk of fate that got them their.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-11-05 06:25pm

The Death Star crew figures out they can blow the Borg cubes to pieces with the Turbolasers at like 5% power, so they get lots of use out of there guns

Also remember, the Death Star crew could tractor in borg bodies and parts to recycle for supplies and food and so forth (Soylent Borg...)

The Death Star would destroy Borg cubes until the entire universe fills up with Borg cubes and collopses under the power of there collective stupidity

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-05 07:05pm

Ender wrote:Assuming 1% solid, density of iron, and that the DS destroys all of them in a second, it will take 74 years to get sufficient borg cubes there to have the mass of earth. DS should run out of supplies long before that.

Does that include the fact that the dead Borg ships are going to stay there in pieces?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-11-05 07:17pm

Um, wouldn't someone on the DS realize that shooting the cubes only brings in more and so the DS would just stop fighting?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-11-05 07:32pm

Darth Servo wrote:Um, wouldn't someone on the DS realize that shooting the cubes only brings in more and so the DS would just stop fighting?

DS uses Ion Cannons.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-11-05 07:49pm

Howedar wrote:
Ender wrote:Assuming 1% solid, density of iron, and that the DS destroys all of them in a second, it will take 74 years to get sufficient borg cubes there to have the mass of earth. DS should run out of supplies long before that.
Does that include the fact that the dead Borg ships are going to stay there in pieces?

Nope. I'd do it again accounting for that, but I'm a lazy motherfucker.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-11-10 12:39am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Um, wouldn't someone on the DS realize that shooting the cubes only brings in more and so the DS would just stop fighting?
DS uses Ion Cannons.

That doesn't help. Ions will blow the warp core.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-11-10 02:41am

Crazedwraith wrote:Via a strange quirk of fate the 1st Death Star is trasported into intergalactic space. It is surrounded and attacked by 100 assorted borg vessels. Whenever the DS destroys a borg vessel 2 more takes its place.

In this totally unrealistic situation what happens first:
1) The borg assimilate the DS
2) The borg destroy the DS.
3) The entire crew of the DS dies of old age.?

None of the above. After annihilating several hundred or thousand cubes, the DS commander gets fed up and simply hyperjumps out of there.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-11-10 02:50am

And if the hyperdrive doesn't work, they leave their shields up and just ignore the borg.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-11-10 03:17pm

The DSI had shields? I've heard that the DSII did, but not the DSI and that fits the facts. If the DSI had shields why weren't they up duing the attack on the rebels Yavin HQ?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-11-10 03:22pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:The DSI had shields? I've heard that the DSII did, but not the DSI and that fits the facts. If the DSI had shields why weren't they up duing the attack on the rebels Yavin HQ?

General Dodonna, ANH breifing "The battle station is heavily shielded and..."

How do you explain the Alderaan explosion doing absolutely zero damage to the DS if it doesn't have shields?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-11-10 03:24pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:The DSI had shields? I've heard that the DSII did, but not the DSI and that fits the facts. If the DSI had shields why weren't they up duing the attack on the rebels Yavin HQ?
General Dodonna, ANH breifing "The battle station is heavily shielded and..."

How do you explain the Alderaan explosion doing absolutely zero damage to the DS if it doesn't have shields?

It didn't seem "heavily" shielded.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-11-10 03:37pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:It didn't seem "heavily" shielded.

I noticed you totally ignored the second point.

And go watch TPM again. The battle droids were able to walk through the gungan shields that kept tank blasts out. Obi-wan, Jar-Jar and Qui-gon were able to walk through the gungan underwater city shields that kept out the water. Or even the original trillogy docking bay shields that allowed fighters to enter and leave while retaining an atmosphere in the landing bay. SW clearly has selective sheilds that allow certain objects to pass through while keeping other objects out.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-11-10 03:56pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:It didn't seem "heavily" shielded.
I noticed you totally ignored the second point.

And go watch TPM again. The battle droids were able to walk through the gungan shields that kept tank blasts out. Obi-wan, Jar-Jar and Qui-gon were able to walk through the gungan underwater city shields that kept out the water. Or even the original trillogy docking bay shields that allowed fighters to enter and leave while retaining an atmosphere in the landing bay. SW clearly has selective sheilds that allow certain objects to pass through while keeping other objects out.

Allows certain objects to pass through....including proton torpedoes and X-wing laser cannon fire!! Those are the kind of shields I want.....

Anyway I'm satisfied that the DSI had shields, but for some reason they were down during the battle for the rebel HQ.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-11-10 04:07pm

The Death Star is not a perpetual motion machine. Eventually, they will lose this battle.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-11-10 04:38pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Allows certain objects to pass through....including proton torpedoes and X-wing laser cannon fire!! Those are the kind of shields I want.....

General Dodonna: "The Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense." The exhaust port was only ray shielded. It didn't have any kind of partical shields what-so-ever.

Anyway I'm satisfied that the DSI had shields, but for some reason they were down during the battle for the rebel HQ.

Or were designed specifically for attacks from CAPITOL SHIPS. Quit making such obvious false dilemas.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-11-10 05:24pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Allows certain objects to pass through....including proton torpedoes and X-wing laser cannon fire!! Those are the kind of shields I want.....
General Dodonna: "The Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense." The exhaust port was only ray shielded. It didn't have any kind of partical shields what-so-ever.
Anyway I'm satisfied that the DSI had shields, but for some reason they were down during the battle for the rebel HQ.
Or were designed specifically for attacks from CAPITOL SHIPS. Quit making such obvious false dilemas.

IMO the simplest reason is that the shields were simply down, because they don't consider small fighters to be a threat.

Saying the shields were specifically designed to block capital ship fire but not block starfighter weapons is silly.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-11-10 07:00pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:IMO the simplest reason is that the shields were simply down, because they don't consider small fighters to be a threat.

Saying the shields were specifically designed to block capital ship fire but not block starfighter weapons is silly.

The fighters passed through the shield and then shot the Death Star's surface while underneath the shield.

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