The official Revolutions DISCUSSION thread

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-11-10 03:27am

Uraniun235 wrote:The Second Renaissance is even more fucking stupid than the Revolutions battle.

More to the point it adds the asslicking stupidity of the machines immunity to EMP in the past.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-11-10 04:58am

That and so many other things.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-11-10 06:23am

On the whole doctor killed by scalpel thing, could it be that she went into shock? Then Smith/Bane carved her up off screen?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-10 07:04am

2000AD wrote:On the whole doctor killed by scalpel thing, could it be that she went into shock? Then Smith/Bane carved her up off screen?

No, we see her dead body as Bane left it later.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-11-10 10:33am

I turned off my brain, and THEN I enjoyed the movies.

That's about it from me.

I grant you that none of the movies were all that GOOD...but they presented us with a few opportunities to see vast amounts of damage being handed out to a few people, surrounded by glorious special effects.

The battle of zion might not have been fought WELL, and the Sentinels might have been more interested in boiling around the dock than in killing the APUs that were slaughtering them by the hundreds, but dammit, I got to see a giant fucking walking piece of armor manned by a screaming primate and spitting bullets into an onrushing wave of lethal machines.

And that was COOL, dammit.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-10 11:04am

May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-11-10 11:12am

SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?

Because a part of him is connected to the Source.

Thus he is able just affect machines.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-11-10 11:26am

Ghost Rider wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
Because a part of him is connected to the Source.

Thus he is able just affect machines.

The Source or the Force?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-10 11:27am

Ghost Rider wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
Because a part of him is connected to the Source.

Thus he is able just affect machines.

Wonderful; he has a 'connection', so I suppose we're expected to throw out all logical conclusions based on his powers and parsimony.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-10 12:40pm

SirNitram wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
Because a part of him is connected to the Source.

Thus he is able just affect machines.
Wonderful; he has a 'connection', so I suppose we're expected to throw out all logical conclusions based on his powers and parsimony.

do you really care that much about scientific believability in sci-fi to worry about it?

surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-11-10 12:46pm

SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?

I've fairly sure I posted this earlier in the thread.

The machines dont harvest thermal energy from humans.

They harvest 'life energy' which you see via Neo Vision(TM) concetrated in the pods, and a large harvester units wandering over the 'fields'.

We then see the machines use this energy to power themselves. Again, via Neo Vision(TM) went looking at the sentinals.

Apparently humans are too 'fragile' to access this energy unaided, and Neo via his One status can.

He makes the sentinals blow up by trashing the life energy the sentinal uses to power itself/live.

They call it the 'source'.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-11-10 12:48pm

Zac Naloen wrote: do you really care that much about scientific believability in sci-fi to worry about it?

surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.

Yes, its Science-fiction.

There is another genre called fantasy for Science-fiction without the bit called Science.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-10 12:51pm

ggs wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote: do you really care that much about scientific believability in sci-fi to worry about it?

surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.
Yes, its Science-fiction.

There is another genre called fantasy for Science-fiction without the bit called Science.

so does that make star trek science fantasy cos they claim impossible things?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-11-10 01:35pm

Stravo wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
Because a part of him is connected to the Source.

Thus he is able just affect machines.
The Source or the Force?

Hell when I heard that I thought they were reading one too many Jack Kirby books

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-10 03:40pm

ggs wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
I've fairly sure I posted this earlier in the thread.

The machines dont harvest thermal energy from humans.

They harvest 'life energy' which you see via Neo Vision(TM) concetrated in the pods, and a large harvester units wandering over the 'fields'.

We then see the machines use this energy to power themselves. Again, via Neo Vision(TM) went looking at the sentinals.

Apparently humans are too 'fragile' to access this energy unaided, and Neo via his One status can.

He makes the sentinals blow up by trashing the life energy the sentinal uses to power itself/live.

They call it the 'source'.

where are you getting this from?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-10 04:51pm

Zac Naloen wrote: surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.

Another idiot who thinks we should throw all rules of plausibility and logic out because it's got the word 'fiction in it'.

Psycho Smiley · Post by **Psycho Smiley** » 2003-11-10 05:02pm

Did anyone notice something odd in the opening credits? If you did and said so, sorry I missed you. Anyway, I ask because I just saw this on a newsgroup:

They ended up going with the matrix-in-a-matrix thing. Watch the opening
credits closely - it pans deeper and deeper into the Matrix code, until
it arrives at a whole new, yellow layer. Then it pans back quickly.

Underneath Smith, and in the Machine world later, there's that yellow
code.

Now, some people over there say that this yellow code has been seen before, but I don't remember it. Perhaps it has nothing to do with matrix-in-a-matrix at all, but is Neo's code, or corrupt code, or something along those lines? I never even noticed it, myself.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-10 05:02pm

SirNitram wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote: surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.
Another idiot who thinks we should throw all rules of plausibility and logic out because it's got the word 'fiction in it'.

My comment was simply stating that in every science fiction film, book etc, there has always been something that is implausible, thats why its science-fiction, not plain fiction.

also, im an idiot simply because i'd much rather enjoy a film than argue about how they shouldn't be able to do something because the laws of thermodynamics or some crap like that say so?

in that case your small minded for not being able to accept other peoples point of view. but i won't hold it against you

(disclaimer : - im not saying the laws of thermodynamics are crap, im just being emotive)

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-10 05:04pm

Psycho Smiley wrote:Did anyone notice something odd in the opening credits? If you did and said so, sorry I missed you. Anyway, I ask because I just saw this on a newsgroup:
They ended up going with the matrix-in-a-matrix thing. Watch the opening
credits closely - it pans deeper and deeper into the Matrix code, until
it arrives at a whole new, yellow layer. Then it pans back quickly.

Underneath Smith, and in the Machine world later, there's that yellow
code.
Now, some people over there say that this yellow code has been seen before, but I don't remember it. Perhaps it has nothing to do with matrix-in-a-matrix at all, but is Neo's code, or corrupt code, or something along those lines? I never even noticed it, myself.

Its the source code

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-11-10 05:05pm

Zac Naloen wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote: surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.
Another idiot who thinks we should throw all rules of plausibility and logic out because it's got the word 'fiction in it'.
My comment was simply stating that in every science fiction film, book etc, there has always been something that is implausible, thats why its science-fiction, not plain fiction.

And good fiction limits how implausible it is in a variety of ways, thus garnering less objection.

also, im an idiot simply because i'd much rather enjoy a film than argue about how they shouldn't be able to do something because the laws of thermodynamics or some crap like that say so?

No, you're an idiot for repeating one of the most ridiculous catcalls of all time against someone who dared have an opinion different than your own, dumbass.

in that case your small minded for not being able to accept other peoples point of view. but i won't hold it against you

Obvious hypocrisy: My opinion is invalid because it's not on whatever retarded standards you hold.

Can't throw a stone these days for hitting this kind of BS... Your opinion sucks because it's not based on what I base opinions off of..

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-11-10 05:07pm

They harvest 'life energy' which you see via Neo Vision(TM) concetrated in the pods, and a large harvester units wandering over the 'fields'.

We then see the machines use this energy to power themselves. Again, via Neo Vision(TM) went looking at the sentinals.

Apparently humans are too 'fragile' to access this energy unaided, and Neo via his One status can.

He makes the sentinals blow up by trashing the life energy the sentinal uses to power itself/live.

I don't remember this 'life force' stuff. All I remember is an off-hand comment about Neo being connected to the Source. I can accept that, if they had gone into greater detail.

Psycho Smiley · Post by **Psycho Smiley** » 2003-11-10 05:07pm

Ah, that would do it. I just saw the rampant jumping-to-conclusions and thought I would see if anyone here had better ideas.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-11-10 05:17pm

Obvious hypocrisy: My opinion is invalid because it's not on whatever retarded standards you hold.

im sorry, where did i claim your opinion was invalid?

was it... here?

do you really care that much about scientific believability in sci-fi to worry about it?

surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.

nope, just asking why you care so much...

or maybe, here?

ggs wrote:
Zac Naloen wrote:

do you really care that much about scientific believability in sci-fi to worry about it?

surely you've learnt by now, its is called Science-fiction for a reason.

Yes, its Science-fiction.

There is another genre called fantasy for Science-fiction without the bit called Science.

so does that make star trek science fantasy cos they claim impossible things?

Nope, another question, answer still pending.

Look at my join date nitram, im haven't been here for a long time and i've never been much of a forum user, im also certainly no debater of this kind of thing and my particapation in this forum has been minimul at best, as far as i was concerned i was asking a question I could have quoted anybody in this thread, i just happened to quote you.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2003-11-10 06:06pm

Its just called suspension of disbelief fellas--you're allowed to disregard logic and plausability but only to a point. Different people are willing to accept different limits of suspension of disbelief. Most are willing to go along with whatever a film tells them if said film shows conviction, intelligence, doesnt insult them and is entertaining. Matrix is science fiction because it uses science as a springboard for a fictional tale--ultimately every movie is going to be implausable in some manner. IMO the Matrix presents its ideas in such a manner that i am willing to accept them even though i know that logically they arent as sound as i would like them to be. The expression holds true you know--"its only a movie". If it was reality it would be boring.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-11-10 07:20pm

zombie84 wrote:
ggs wrote:
SirNitram wrote:May I ask what sort of ridiculous explanation is put forth to explain how the One can influence the 'Real World'?
I've fairly sure I posted this earlier in the thread.

The machines dont harvest thermal energy from humans.

They harvest 'life energy' which you see via Neo Vision(TM) concetrated in the pods, and a large harvester units wandering over the 'fields'.

We then see the machines use this energy to power themselves. Again, via Neo Vision(TM) went looking at the sentinals.

Apparently humans are too 'fragile' to access this energy unaided, and Neo via his One status can.

He makes the sentinals blow up by trashing the life energy the sentinal uses to power itself/live.

They call it the 'source'.
where are you getting this from?

From the film.

You see this glowy shit pasted over the pods in the fields, where the humans are.

You then see the marchines with sometype of harvester machines(WTF?!?) with more glowy shit pasted over them.

Close up on some machine, it has more glowy shit pasted over it.

It. Can. Not. Get. More. Obvious.