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We don't have money for Military pay, but for this instead!
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The enlisted club at Bolling Air Force Base is being readied for demolition, less than two years after workers completed a $4 million renovation project.
4 Million Later, Bolling to Raze Building
SE Base's Enlisted Club Was Renovated Despite Structural Problems That Make It Unsafe
By Steve Vogel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 10, 2003; Page B01
Less than two years after workers completed $4 million in renovations to the enlisted club at Bolling Air Force Base, the Southeast Washington facility is preparing to demolish the building.
Structural problems, known to exist before renovations began, make the building unsafe, base officials said. The recent work -- including a new roof, new heating and air conditioning, a modern kitchen and new carpets -- was for naught. Workers were salvaging what they could from the building last week before it is torn down in the coming days.
The findings of an Air Force investigation into the matter are being reviewed, said Col. William A. Chambers, the Bolling commander. Among other questions, the investigation has examined why the renovations were undertaken despite evidence that the building's foundation was settling unevenly.
"We need to get to the bottom of it," Chambers said. "If for no other reason, I ordered this investigation so it doesn't happen again."
The club, which was constructed in 1976 and received an addition in 1985, has long been the center of social life for enlisted personnel at Bolling, where 15,000 service personnel, civilians and family members live or work.
The one-story, 25,000-square-foot brick building near the Potomac River features a ballroom, kitchen and dining area, lounges and a sports bar. The club has hosted numerous promotion ceremonies and other events for enlisted Air Force personnel from Bolling and the Pentagon.
Over the years, the uneven settling of the building's foundation caused load-bearing beams to twist, raising the danger of a building collapse.
The problem should not have been a surprise when renovations started, officials said. "They put all this money into it, even though they've known for years that it was sinking into the ground," said a Bolling employee, speaking on the condition of not being identified.
Chambers acknowledged that some base officials knew of the foundation problems well before renovations began. "Beginning in the mid-1990s, there was some evidence of the foundation's settling," he said.
The structural problems were found and reported by Air Force civil engineers, but Chambers said it is not clear how well the information was circulated.
"I have been unable to find how well that was documented and how aware of it the leadership was," Chambers said. "I haven't reached a conclusion on exactly how much was known."
The evidence that the foundation was sinking, however, is "possibly" a reason why a proposal in the mid-1990s to renovate the enlisted club was rejected, Chambers said.
Why that same evidence was not a concern when the renovation project was approved several years later is unknown and is part of the investigation, Chambers said.
The renovation work was done by contractors in two phases. The first, $2.5 million phase, in 1998, involved structural improvements, including new roofs and the repair of interior and exterior walls. A $1.5 million phase of renovation, much of it involving a new kitchen, was begun in 2000. An article in the base newspaper predicted that the work would raise the club's "world class standards."
Roughly $3 million of the $4 million in renovation costs was paid for with taxpayer money appropriated by Congress. An additional $1 million came from fees paid by Air Force and other military personnel for use of the club and other recreational facilities on the base.
Chambers, who took command of the base in 2001, said he became aware of problems with the building last winter, when base engineers expressed concern that the club's roof might not sustain the weight of the heavy snowfall that was forecast. Chambers donned his battle dress fatigues to inspect one of the twisted beams himself.
The problem was obvious enough that Chambers could easily see the danger. "The issue became not the snowstorm, but the overall integrity" of the building, he said.
Chambers ordered the club closed in December while engineers evaluated the building. After months of study, officials concluded that the club was not salvageable.
"To fix the existing building is throwing good money after a bad building," Chambers said.
The Air Force investigation, conducted by engineers from another base, is undergoing legal review, but Chambers said that because of unanswered questions, "I may have to do more digging." He said that there is nothing to indicate criminal wrongdoing, but that the Air Force may discipline individuals who are found to be at fault.
Meantime, enlisted personnel at the base have with no building of their own to use. They instead have been given space in a lounge at the Bolling Officers Club.
The base lacks money to build a new enlisted club. Chambers said he may request money from the Air Force, but a new club is probably years away.
The enlisted club at Bolling Air Force Base is being readied for demolition, less than two years after workers completed a $4 million renovation project.
4 Million Later, Bolling to Raze Building
SE Base's Enlisted Club Was Renovated Despite Structural Problems That Make It Unsafe
By Steve Vogel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 10, 2003; Page B01
Less than two years after workers completed $4 million in renovations to the enlisted club at Bolling Air Force Base, the Southeast Washington facility is preparing to demolish the building.
Structural problems, known to exist before renovations began, make the building unsafe, base officials said. The recent work -- including a new roof, new heating and air conditioning, a modern kitchen and new carpets -- was for naught. Workers were salvaging what they could from the building last week before it is torn down in the coming days.
The findings of an Air Force investigation into the matter are being reviewed, said Col. William A. Chambers, the Bolling commander. Among other questions, the investigation has examined why the renovations were undertaken despite evidence that the building's foundation was settling unevenly.
"We need to get to the bottom of it," Chambers said. "If for no other reason, I ordered this investigation so it doesn't happen again."
The club, which was constructed in 1976 and received an addition in 1985, has long been the center of social life for enlisted personnel at Bolling, where 15,000 service personnel, civilians and family members live or work.
The one-story, 25,000-square-foot brick building near the Potomac River features a ballroom, kitchen and dining area, lounges and a sports bar. The club has hosted numerous promotion ceremonies and other events for enlisted Air Force personnel from Bolling and the Pentagon.
Over the years, the uneven settling of the building's foundation caused load-bearing beams to twist, raising the danger of a building collapse.
The problem should not have been a surprise when renovations started, officials said. "They put all this money into it, even though they've known for years that it was sinking into the ground," said a Bolling employee, speaking on the condition of not being identified.
Chambers acknowledged that some base officials knew of the foundation problems well before renovations began. "Beginning in the mid-1990s, there was some evidence of the foundation's settling," he said.
The structural problems were found and reported by Air Force civil engineers, but Chambers said it is not clear how well the information was circulated.
"I have been unable to find how well that was documented and how aware of it the leadership was," Chambers said. "I haven't reached a conclusion on exactly how much was known."
The evidence that the foundation was sinking, however, is "possibly" a reason why a proposal in the mid-1990s to renovate the enlisted club was rejected, Chambers said.
Why that same evidence was not a concern when the renovation project was approved several years later is unknown and is part of the investigation, Chambers said.
The renovation work was done by contractors in two phases. The first, $2.5 million phase, in 1998, involved structural improvements, including new roofs and the repair of interior and exterior walls. A $1.5 million phase of renovation, much of it involving a new kitchen, was begun in 2000. An article in the base newspaper predicted that the work would raise the club's "world class standards."
Roughly $3 million of the $4 million in renovation costs was paid for with taxpayer money appropriated by Congress. An additional $1 million came from fees paid by Air Force and other military personnel for use of the club and other recreational facilities on the base.
Chambers, who took command of the base in 2001, said he became aware of problems with the building last winter, when base engineers expressed concern that the club's roof might not sustain the weight of the heavy snowfall that was forecast. Chambers donned his battle dress fatigues to inspect one of the twisted beams himself.
The problem was obvious enough that Chambers could easily see the danger. "The issue became not the snowstorm, but the overall integrity" of the building, he said.
Chambers ordered the club closed in December while engineers evaluated the building. After months of study, officials concluded that the club was not salvageable.
"To fix the existing building is throwing good money after a bad building," Chambers said.
The Air Force investigation, conducted by engineers from another base, is undergoing legal review, but Chambers said that because of unanswered questions, "I may have to do more digging." He said that there is nothing to indicate criminal wrongdoing, but that the Air Force may discipline individuals who are found to be at fault.
Meantime, enlisted personnel at the base have with no building of their own to use. They instead have been given space in a lounge at the Bolling Officers Club.
The base lacks money to build a new enlisted club. Chambers said he may request money from the Air Force, but a new club is probably years away.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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And people wonder why I don't believe the government or liberlasDurran Korr wrote:The government is silly.
when they start squealing like pigs that they don't ahve enough money.
BULLSHIT, they have more than enough, they just blow it on stupid fuckin
shit like this. Tax Cuts are a drop in the bucket compared to waste.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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....not one peep about this gross waste of government money, instead
preferring to rail about Bush's tax cuts?
preferring to rail about Bush's tax cuts?
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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Multiply this stupidity by the number of military bases in the countryUraniun235 wrote:From what I've heard, a few million is a drop in the bucket compared to the tax cuts.
with a multiplier of 0.5 and you've got a hefty chunk of change.
Did you know that Fort Meade, home of the NSA, might be getting
a second, and possibly a THIRD, 18 hole golf course?
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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I would speculate that all the paperwork needed to request the renovation funding was completed and sent off before the structural damage was known entirely. Once congress appropiates you the money, you'd had better use it, or next year you'll be up shit creek funding wise. That is probably one of the reasons the renovations received the go order. The Air Force was just playing the game.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:Once congress appropiates you the money, you'd had better use it, or next year you'll be up shit creek funding wise.
and this is supposed to be good?
What's so evil about staying under budget? Oh wait, it's the
Government. Never mind.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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Nothing, you would think that the government would be grateful, but in a lot of cases they are not. Usually if a military unit does not use all of it's funds by the end of the fiscal year, then they are given a much smaller budget the next year, even if you will need more. It doesn't matter if you simply overestimated your expenditures, or worked diligently to keep them down, you get hosed either way. In my unit, the 47FTW, we just ended the fiscal year with a surplus. One of the ways we used it was to buy a shitload of new office chairs for our various classrooms, offices, flight rooms, etc. That way we could zero out our budget.MKSheppard wrote:What's so evil about staying under budget?
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I've got an even better idea, how about you just put the money in wheelbarrowsWicked Pilot wrote:In my unit, the 47FTW, we just ended the fiscal year with a surplus. One of the ways we used it was to buy a shitload of new office chairs for our various classrooms, offices, flight rooms, etc. That way we could zero out our budget.
and set it on fire with flamethrowers?
Gah. They need to change the way they do a lot of budgeting, and find
some way of rewarding departments and units that keep within their
budget.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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The real question is how to get politicians to initiate a systematic search-and-destroy campaign for all the pork-barreling and outright pandering that goes on in this country and among its institutions.
Unfortunately, it would also be political suicide for whoever attempted the movie - at any level of government. One must suppose that most are resigned to it, having decided that the cost of being prevented from pursuing other reform by their vengeance-minded peers isn't worth the trouble.
Unfortunately, it would also be political suicide for whoever attempted the movie - at any level of government. One must suppose that most are resigned to it, having decided that the cost of being prevented from pursuing other reform by their vengeance-minded peers isn't worth the trouble.