Lynch may have been anally raped

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-06 09:42pm

Expect this book to be lambasted months after it's already sold thousands of copies for being inaccurate sensationalism, with no real evidence of Lynch being raped whatsoever. I'm not saying some sick fuck wasn't capable of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-11-07 12:51am

She's a poster-girl now, plain and simple. The CBS producer who pitched the TV movie deal said that he did it the day after hearing about her story. As Rob Cordry on The Daily Show said, "I don't think he's been this excited since the Challenger exploded."

I must admit that I was really surprised at just how desperate the media were for a poster-child. But hey, it's a war. And it wasn't a war against some seemingly insurmountable foe. We steamrolled them. That's not exactly a scenario that movie producers are comfortable with. The Normandy Landing? Sure. The attack on Pearl Harbor? Absolutely. Coalition forces making the fastest advance in military history while suffering less than 1/1000% of casualties? Uh oh, that's not very dramatic. So they latched on to the first sob story that came their way.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-11-07 01:36am

Does this mean that there's gonna be a private lynch porno in the making shortly. I am sure it could include scenes of her "handling" here captors as she makes her valiant escape.

As for the actual book, who the fuck gives a shit anymore. I am just jaded at this story. Jessica Lynch this, Jessica Lynch that. What about all the other POWs, and all the people who died so that little miss prissy didn't get gutted by automatic weapons fire. Can they give the media sensationalism a rest and focus on current issues.

And why wouldn't Gulf War II: With a Vengence, make a good movie. Its got explosions, armoured vehicles, car chases, airplanes, fuck you could throw in some zombies from the Iraqi bio-weapons division. I would pay $10 to see that.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-11-07 02:42am

Fremen_Muhadib wrote:Seriously. It suprises me that the soldier who wasn't defending the convoy (albeit not by choice) gets the book deal, while the true heroism of the others is overlooked since it wouldn't sell to the people as well. It angers people more when one of "America's Girls" is ravaged than when a "good ol' boy" dies in action. Sick, really sick

Yeah, especially when there's a buttload (no pun intended) of rape cases HERE in the fucking US of A.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-11-07 03:11am

Dark Hellion wrote:As for the actual book, who the fuck gives a shit anymore. I am just jaded at this story. Jessica Lynch this, Jessica Lynch that. What about all the other POWs, and all the people who died so that little miss prissy didn't get gutted by automatic weapons fire. Can they give the media sensationalism a rest and focus on current issues.

There is a difference between saying that Pvt. Lynch was not unusual in Iraq and does not deserve more coverage than the rest, and saying that she's some bitch who did not serve her country, bleed for her country, and get held prisoner by forces hostile to her country.

You're treading dangerously close to that line.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-11-07 03:14am

I feel sorry for the kid, she'll carry baggage of this around for the rest of her life. My heart goes out to her, amongst others....

That being said, I won't buy her book, watch any movie about it (might get me to watch a documentry about it though), or part with any of my hard earned money over such a sensationist, oppertunistic media campaign.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2003-11-07 03:49am

Howedar wrote:
Dark Hellion wrote:As for the actual book, who the fuck gives a shit anymore. I am just jaded at this story. Jessica Lynch this, Jessica Lynch that. What about all the other POWs, and all the people who died so that little miss prissy didn't get gutted by automatic weapons fire. Can they give the media sensationalism a rest and focus on current issues.
There is a difference between saying that Pvt. Lynch was not unusual in Iraq and does not deserve more coverage than the rest, and saying that she's some bitch who did not serve her country, bleed for her country, and get held prisoner by forces hostile to her country.

You're treading dangerously close to that line.

Yes, except for the fact that this was more a matter of wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure that you are well aware of the US military and their policy on women. Segregation is the norm and they keep women as far away from combat as possible (sorry, but this is true).

I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve the respect that any other member of the US military got, but I'm not going to ring this girl's praises either. If I had to choose between being a POW for a few days and not getting the rewards that she got, I'd walk over to the Iraqi's and lube my butt up myself.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-11-07 04:44am

The Kernel wrote:
Howedar wrote:
Dark Hellion wrote:As for the actual book, who the fuck gives a shit anymore. I am just jaded at this story. Jessica Lynch this, Jessica Lynch that. What about all the other POWs, and all the people who died so that little miss prissy didn't get gutted by automatic weapons fire. Can they give the media sensationalism a rest and focus on current issues.
There is a difference between saying that Pvt. Lynch was not unusual in Iraq and does not deserve more coverage than the rest, and saying that she's some bitch who did not serve her country, bleed for her country, and get held prisoner by forces hostile to her country.

You're treading dangerously close to that line.
Yes, except for the fact that this was more a matter of wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure that you are well aware of the US military and their policy on women. Segregation is the norm and they keep women as far away from combat as possible (sorry, but this is true).

I'm not saying that she doesn't deserve the respect that any other member of the US military got, but I'm not going to ring this girl's praises either. If I had to choose between being a POW for a few days and not getting the rewards that she got, I'd walk over to the Iraqi's and lube my butt up myself.

Don't forget the broken bones, and torture.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-11-07 05:21am

Stormbringer wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Well geee, I guess we should all just ignore the brutality of the regime that we over threw, especially the alleged rape of one of our soldiers, because it might make people think we did the right thing.
No one doubts the nastyness of the Saddam regime or the benifits of deposing him..but that was not what the war was/is about, dont confuse the issue.
It wasn't the casus belli but god damn if it didn't happen to a more deserving regime.

Cant argue with that..mind you, when is the USA to depose Kim's Dong is Small in NK? he is worse than Saddam IMHO.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-11-07 05:25am

Durran Korr wrote:
No one doubts the nastyness of the Saddam regime or the benifits of deposing him..but that was not what the war was/is about, dont confuse the issue.
Foreign policy goals are not always mutually exclusive.

True, but this is irrelivant to what I said. This war was not about deposing Saddam the Bad..if it was, I would have supported it

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-07 06:20am

Lynch on Lynch: not impressed with the lies surrounding her capture and rescue, denies being mistreated in hospital at all

(an Iraqi lawyer claimed he saw soldiers slap her in hospital or something)

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-11-07 08:03am

As far as I'm concerned:

- Her broken bones most likely happened in the accident before her capture.
- There's no convincing evidence of her being tortured.
- if she was raped while unconscious, it was probably the act of one man. While I'm not going to make excuses for him (obviously), and while he was probably Iraqi, is she the first female POW to be raped? No. Is only the Iraqi soldiers who rape? NO!

She seems to be being used as an example of how evil the Iraqis are, because one man, probably Iraqi, raped her.
I'm sure we could find a few accounts of Iraqi civilian women being raped by British and American soldiers (welll, probably not, but don't doubt it happened)
Unfortunately, that is war. A war she chose to fight in.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-11-07 11:52am

Dark Hellion wrote: And why wouldn't Gulf War II: With a Vengence, make a good movie. Its got explosions, armoured vehicles, car chases, airplanes, fuck you could throw in some zombies from the Iraqi bio-weapons division. I would pay $10 to see that.

Too short, and it wouldn't have any decent bad guys, since Saddam disappears halfway through. Though you could turn it into a comedy featuring Baghdad Bob...

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-11-07 01:54pm

You don't need villians when you got explosions and tanks. You only really need explosions and tanks to make any movie a blockbuster.

And thank you Innerbrat for summing up my rebuttal so perfectly. Now I don't have to type that.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-11-07 01:58pm

Dark Hellion wrote:Does this mean that there's gonna be a private lynch porno in the making shortly..

Already is.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-11-07 04:26pm

3rd Impact wrote:
Dark Hellion wrote: And why wouldn't Gulf War II: With a Vengence, make a good movie. Its got explosions, armoured vehicles, car chases, airplanes, fuck you could throw in some zombies from the Iraqi bio-weapons division. I would pay $10 to see that.

Too short, and it wouldn't have any decent bad guys, since Saddam disappears halfway through. Though you could turn it into a comedy featuring Baghdad Bob...

In the best tradition of The Producers, may I suggest a musical with the feature being "Summertime for Saddam"?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-10 07:59am

Vympel wrote:Expect this book to be lambasted months after it's already sold thousands of copies for being inaccurate sensationalism, with no real evidence of Lynch being raped whatsoever. I'm not saying some sick fuck wasn't capable of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I do not think Iraqis would ever do something like that to her. It is simply not the nature of Arab armies. They are muslims after all so they would be commiting a grave sin if they did something like that.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-11-10 08:08am

evilcat4000 wrote:I do not think Iraqis would ever do something like that to her. It is simply not the nature of Arab armies. They are muslims after all so they would be commiting a grave sin if they did something like that.

Yeah, but so Christians (well, they think they would - their Holy Book is a bit hazy on the subject)

Still happens.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-11-10 08:46am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Vympel wrote:Expect this book to be lambasted months after it's already sold thousands of copies for being inaccurate sensationalism, with no real evidence of Lynch being raped whatsoever. I'm not saying some sick fuck wasn't capable of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I do not think Iraqis would ever do something like that to her. It is simply not the nature of Arab armies. They are muslims after all so they would be commiting a grave sin if they did something like that.

it's also a sin to fly a jetliner into an office building. Muslims sin just as Christians do. to deny that fact is to delude yourself.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-11-10 08:54am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
it's also a sin to fly a jetliner into an office building. Muslims sin just as Christians do. to deny that fact is to delude yourself.

To be sure, but people are funny like that- the broken battered body of a young girl may be a lot different to a mass of faceless heathens, be they in front of you as you scream God is Great and plow into a building, or behind you in the cabin of the plane you just hijacked.

Also, the men in question were most likely soldiers- it's unlikely they were extremist fundies, IMO.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-11-10 10:14am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Vympel wrote:Expect this book to be lambasted months after it's already sold thousands of copies for being inaccurate sensationalism, with no real evidence of Lynch being raped whatsoever. I'm not saying some sick fuck wasn't capable of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.
I do not think Iraqis would ever do something like that to her. It is simply not the nature of Arab armies. They are muslims after all so they would be commiting a grave sin if they did something like that.

Didn't stop Saddam's rape rooms or the usual abuses of POWs in the Iran Iraq war. Don't kid yourself, muslims are no more moral than any other people.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-11-10 11:12am

Vympel wrote:Expect this book to be lambasted months after it's already sold thousands of copies for being inaccurate sensationalism, with no real evidence of Lynch being raped whatsoever. I'm not saying some sick fuck wasn't capable of it, but I wouldn't be surprised.

You don't need to wait months to find evidence that she wasn't raped....

I can't dress my links because I'm a moron!

Iraqi doctors: No signs Lynch was raped
By Associated Press, 11/8/2003

NASIRIYAH, Iraq -- Iraqi doctors who treated former POW Jessica Lynch dismissed yesterday allegations made in her biography that she was raped by her Iraqi captors.

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Although Lynch said she has no memory of the sexual assault, medical records cited in "I am a Soldier, Too: The Jessica Lynch Story" indicate that she was raped and sodomized by her Iraqi captors, according to US media who said they had advance copies.

The book, due to be released Tuesday, covers Lynch's experiences between March 23, when her 507th Maintenance Company convoy was ambushed in Nasiriyah, and April 1, when she was evacuated from a hospital by US commandos. It was unclear whether the book cites American or Iraqi records.

A family spokesman, Stephen Goodwin, confirmed that the book alleges Lynch was raped.

Lynch suffered broken bones in her right arm, right leg, thighs, and ankle, and she received a head injury when her Humvee was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle. Eleven soldiers were killed in the attack.

Dr. Mahdi Khafazji, an orthopedic surgeon at Nasiriyah's main hospital, performed surgery on Lynch to repair a fractured femur and said he found no signs that she had been raped or sodomized.

Khafazji, speaking at his private clinic in Nasiriyah, said he examined her extensively and would have detected signs of sexual assault. He said the examination turned up no trace of semen.

The surgeon said Lynch was taken first to the Military Hospital, a few hundred yards from the site of the ambush, around 8 a.m. A few hours later, she was brought to his hospital.

"She was injured at about 7 in the morning," he said. "What kind of animal would do it to a person suffering from multiple injuries?"

Dr. Jamal al-Saeidi, a brigadier general and head of the orthopedic department at the now disbanded Military Hospital, remembers seeing Lynch's motionless body on a bed in the crowded lobby of his hospital.

"When she was brought there she was fighting for her life," said Saeidi at his private clinic. "She was in shock because of the severity of her injury."

He said Lynch was fully clothed, with her jacket buttoned. "Her clothes were not torn, buttons had not come off, her pants were zipped up," Saeidi said.

Saeidi said he found no signs of rape during an examination, although he acknowledged he was not looking for indications of sexual assault.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-11-10 11:48am

Is it normal procedures for doctors to examine the anus for stress in checkups for broken bones and the like? Because that is now two medical checkups (one Iraqi, one American) in which her sphincter has been thoroughly examined...

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-11-10 12:14pm

InnerBrat wrote:Is it normal procedures for doctors to examine the anus for stress in checkups for broken bones and the like? Because that is now two medical checkups (one Iraqi, one American) in which her sphincter has been thoroughly examined...

I think people just want to look at her butt.</tasteless joke>

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-11-11 05:07am

it's also a sin to fly a jetliner into an office building. Muslims sin just as Christians do. to deny that fact is to delude yourself.

Of course the terrorists who caused the 911 terror attacks are sinners. They violated the rules of the very religion they claim to defend. My point is if Saddams soldiers believe themselves as true muslims they would never do such an act. If they did it would totaly destroy Saddams claim that the war in Iraq is part of the Jihad.